Talk:List of Touhou Project characters

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Can we get away with images for every character? IIRC, Wikipedia has been cracking down on the excessive use of fair use images as of late- game screenshots are supposed to be for purposes of critical commentary. Even if they don't mind, it might be excessive... I'd say Windows playables only, possibly IN and IaMP playables only, should receive images. -Seventh Holy Scripture 18:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

There is this template here: {{Character-artwork}}. And ZUN did allow screenshots of his games (except endings) to be used on websites and doujins, so....I think it's fine. To push it a little further if we want to, we can even tag the screenshots as copyrighted free use images, since ZUN gave his permission [1]. _dk 00:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

More specifically, the relevent sections of that page says:

Ｑ．攻略ページなどでスナップショットを使用したいのですが

　もちろんかまいません。事後でも報告があると喜びます。
　スナップショットの使用は以下の条件を満たしていればかまいません。

　１．エンディングなどは駄目です。
　２．拡大縮小はかまいませんが、画像の縦横の比率を変えてはいけません。
　３．イメージを加工をしたかどうか分からないような加工を施さないで下さい
　　　色味を変更したり、ありもしない敵弾を書き込んだり、スペルカードの文字を変更したりはＮＧです
　　　＊但し、明らかにネタである場合、ネタであると明記すれば大丈夫です
　４．画面の一部を切り取ったり、説明文字や矢印を上に重ねたりする事は問題ありません
 　
　もし、判断がつかない場合は、私の方まで連絡をいただけると返答します 

I'll translate that:

Q: I want to use screenshots for my strategy guide page and such

Of course I don't mind. Although I'll be happy if you notify me afterwards.
I wouldn't mind, provided that the following conditions are met:
1. Ending screenshots are not allowed.
2. I don't care about expansions or reductions, but please keep their ratios the same.
3. Please don't modify the image such that it's not clear that the image had been modified.
   So changing colours, adding fake bullets onto the image, and changing the names of spell cards are not good.
4. Taking a portion of the screen, or adding text and arrows on the image is no problem.

For ambiguous situations, contact me and I should respond.

So, according to #4, we're good. We can bypass the fair use criteria then. _dk 03:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

There are more pictures here: http://www2.odn.ne.jp/aar36070/genso/ssindex.html -Seventh Holy Scripture

Now that the free images are done (we'll worry about Koakuma and Daiyousei later, I guess), which fair use images should we use, if any? I was hoping to use them all, but then I don't know how that would go with the copyright paranoia around. With the exception of Tokiko, all of them are main characters of something...so, what do you think?

Also, seeing that we're quite done, anything to add before I move this list into article space? _dk 08:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Koakuma and Daiyousei could use sprite images, like LIly White... but no one's bothered to take them for TouhouWiki either; it might not be possible to get a clean shot, since I think they launch into their attacks immediately after appearing. As for the other characters, I don't think it's necessary right now. Images for everyone would be nice, but rather then deal with license issues I'd rather get the article into mainspace, where perhaps someone else will take care of it >_> -Seventh Holy Scripture 09:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

An overzealous editor has gone on an offensive in regard to the images used in this article. Zun has given his permission quite clearly that screen shots are allowed, we don't need to try to bridge the language barrier to get his permission for this singular instance as well. Someone with the power to do so please remedy the situation. - Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.29.248 (talk) 13:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Tried, to no avail. Someone mail ZUN or something. _dk (talk) 14:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Not worth the effort, in my opinion. This was already an extremely streamlined resource on the touhou series to begin with, and I'm not keen on fighting wikipedia's administrators once they get an idea into their heads, despite the flawed arguments it may be based upon. In the future, I'd direct those who want information on the games and their world set to http://pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/index.php/Touhou_Wiki

It has been moved to http://touhou.wikia.com - Mirumoto Ookami (talk) 16:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

This is just another example of wikipedia's heavy handed deletion habits detracting from the resource as a whole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.29.248 (talk) 00:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought Master Spark was originally Yuka's, not Mima's? -Seventh Holy Scripture 10:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Update info about Fuujinroku?

Anybody will update the character section of the Fuujinroku? (KyoriAsh 15:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC))

Group shot?

Since all official ZUN screenshots were deleted, how about we put some group shots on this list? Although ZUN didn't make any himself, he did allow derivatives. And it'd be fair use. Any suggestions? _dk (talk) 21:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Official spellings vs. common usage

Alright, explain to me why the official spellings of names go before the most commonly used spelling when the official spelling is barely ever used. Wouldn't it be better to put the common usage name first, then note that the official spelling is the official spelling in the alternate spellings part? --Strongbad9405 (talk) 06:32, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I am following the style guide here Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(anime-_and_manga-related_articles)#Article_names_and_disambiguation, where it says "Use the official English titles for article names and place the transliteration of the Japanese on the first line of the article. If there are multiple official titles, use the one that is best known and that has contributed most to the work's becoming known in the broader English-speaking world. If there is no official title, use the most commonly known name. This applies to series, character articles, and fictional element articles." I believe it applies in this case. The official names ought to be respected. _dk (talk) 06:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Then how about some mention of the most commonly used name being most commonly used? --Strongbad9405 (talk) 07:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

For clearcut cases like Syameimaru, sure I guess? Maybe a sentence in the prose like "Aya's last name is most commonly rendered as 'Shameimaru' despite the official games stating otherwise."_dk (talk) 07:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

About Fujiwara no Mokou's name... This problem comes from existing several types of romanization of Japanese. To follow Kunrei Shiki (cabinet ordered style), it should be "huzi". To follow Hebon Shiki (Hepburn's style), it should be "fuji". You may suppose that being several romanization styles is odd and nonsystematic. But Japanese pronounciation as "ふ" & "じ" is, in IPA style, [ɸɯ] & [ʑi]. This is similar to "fu"-"hu" or "zi"-"ji", but these are like [fu]-[hu] or [zi]-[ʒi], so there isn't English sounds like Japanese "ふ" or "じ" sound, and old Japanese people considered how they should romanize.

I must comment about the current naming scheme. I do not believe that using the "first official name" is a good idea. With regards to names, ZUN is inconsistent. As well, this rule isn't in Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(anime-_and_manga-related_articles)#Article_names_and_disambiguation. I see a greater justification for using a common official name than the first official name given.

Just as a comment, while this isn't explicitly covered in those guidelines, I find it clear in the history of Touhou that ZUN flip-flops between Hepburn and Kunrei for English romanizations for Japanese names. I find both forms to be correct depending on which style you want to use. Wikipedia suggests using Hepburn, so normally I would want to default to that. Obsolete kana does present a special case. 129.100.221.216 (talk) 21:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

What's a common official name? A name that has been commonly used officially or an official name that also happens to be common in the fanbase? If it's the former, then "Sanae Kochiya" is only introduced for the first time in Ten Desires (and still "Sanae Kotiya" in the readme of that game). The latter I just plainly don't agree with, since "Kochiya" was a name that was popular before it even was official, and hence not an official name "that has contributed most to the work's becoming known in the broader English-speaking world" (quoting guidelines above)._dk (talk) 23:16, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

By common, I was referring to the fanbase usage that would agree with that "contributed most" clause (your latter). If that clause is to be interpreted that way, then I concede. Anyhow, I have already outlined my concerns on using the first official English name above, and ZUN's flipflopping. 129.100.221.216 (talk) 20:22, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

In Mokou's case, if she's meant to be a fictional daughter of the real-life Fujiwara no Fuhito, shouldn't her family name be romanized the same way? 24.214.230.66 (talk) 10:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Letty

Actually, Akyu does say "To keep it simple, she is a type of Yuki-onna." in Perfect Memento [2], and the TouhouWiki lists it as her species. -Seventh Holy Scripture (talk) 18:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, damn. _dk (talk) 18:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

That new screenshot of Reimu and Marisa looks bad.

Seriously. It does.

I say we bring back the PoFV images back. 96.231.55.180 (talk) 02:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Futasuna and theme songs

I have some reservations about adding futatsuna (secondary names) and theme songs. Some characters, especially recurring characters, have more than one of them; but more importantly, how does the addition of them help the reader know the characters? The new readers coming here won't know what "Because Princess Inada is scolding me" sounds like, and this page is already gigantic as it is. _dk (talk) 21:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ten Deries

Well the remaining characters were already there but I think their info needs to be seriously expanded.Blackgaia02 (talk) 15:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Character's music theme

The character's themes trust on a fanmade translation rather. I suggest that the Japanese title should be listed together with the romanised version (or whatever the proper rules are for these, which I'm pretty sure isn't the usage of fan translations without even using the original title). Quwanti (talk) 00:59, 10 August 2012 (UTC)