Talk:Kelly Clarkson

Firing Guitarist

Shouldn't there be some statement in the article about Kelly firing her guitarist? It's all over the [gossip] news lately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.194.41 (talk) 19:55, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

not encyclopedic enough.. artists fire supporting musicians all the time, it's not a big deal. Clarkson is a solo artist with a backup band.. the band can be replaced at any time (and with many solo artists, including Clarkson, often is). Alan - talk 22:34, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I thought that wasn't the real guitarist? If you watch the video the guy is far far left stage, not even with the other poeple. and the spotlight hits him before she takes him offstage. I'm pretty sure it was just some guy tryinig to make an ass of himself. 72.220.125.86 (talk) 10:23, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, she at least knows his name and has a speech at the end about how Dwayne was ruining the show. As for it now being encyclopedic enough, that's simply not true. This was noteworthy if you were going to give someone a one hundred word description of points of interests about Clarkson and her history. The entry is much, much longer than that. Furthermore, it is probably one of the more interesting firings that has happened, as it took place on stage. 67.149.196.50 (talk) 12:26, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

New Album 2010

Kelly Clarkson plans to create a fifth album in Fall of 2010. She stated that it would be music unlike all of her other albums...being rock and pop. She still hasn't announced who the editor is going to be, though.

and when there is something official released by her mamagement/label about it, it will be added to the article, for now, it's all heresay, and jsut because Kelly says hopefully by the end of the year, doesn't mean it will be. Alan - talk 23:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Ancestry

Sounds a bit English to me Clarkson son of Clark, what do you recon? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.3.245 (talk) 03:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

She is of Irish decent on her paternal side as her dad last name is Clarkson, Yes Clarkson is of English origins, though it must be said that her Irish Ancestry maybe her dads parents maybe mother or father. On her Maternal side of the family same again maybe of ancestry through her parents-parents because she is of Greek heritage. (talk)

She is off Irish and Greek ethnicity. This is obtained from an interview of Kelly Clarkson where she discusses this. I am not sure how to reference it on wikipedia, as I am a new user. She discusses her ethnicity around the 1.50 minute mark. The source is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D18UsuIZ8hI (talk)

Update Main Picture

I don't know the exact term for it but the picture used in the info bar at the top of the page should be updated. It looks like it's from the American Idol or Thankful eras. An AIEW era pic should be used. She looks different now. Fan4me (talk) 17:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes thank you for doing that! Fan4me (talk) 13:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 124.182.51.171, 28 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

Her popularity skyrocketed in 2009 & 2010. 124.182.51.171 (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --- cymru lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 19:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

kellyclarkson.com for website as well as kellyofficial.com

why should only 1 go there? Britney Spears' page has 2 websites listed. Fan4me (talk) 18:37, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

It's fixed. You can have one offical label site and one official fan club site. Maria202 (talk) 17:43, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

what do you mean it's fixed? there's still only kellyofficial.com listed. Fan4me (talk) 18:37, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Did you check where the links go or just look at the text? Maria202 (talk) 22:38, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

umm i dont exactly know what you mean by that so I'll say this: I mean the links should be in the info box at the top of the page next to "Website". Only kellyofficial.com is listed there. I know they're both listed at the bottom under "External Links" but it should be up there too. Fan4me (talk) 01:15, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Add Heritage

She is of Greek, Welsh, and Irish descent. She is bi-lingual and speaks the Greek language fluently. This is very well documented in numerous places (which a simple Google search will reveal). --Nikoz78 (talk) 23:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

If you can find a reliable source to verify her heritage and being able to speak Greek fluently, then you could add the information. Aspects (talk) 02:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

OMG i didnt know she could speak greek! Fan4me (talk) 18:19, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

No she cannot speak fluent Greek its just her ancestry that she has greek. stayg86 (talk) 17:26, 23 September 2010 (GMT) Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D18UsuIZ8hI on here she states that she doesnt speak greek.

hmm well then that person 4 messages above mine needs to fix their shtuff. Fan4me (talk) 01:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

5th Studio Album 2010-Present

Kelly Clarkson officially announced June 22nd 2010 on her twitter account that she has finished recording her 1st song for her 5th studio album. The song is also confirmed to be a duet with a unannounced artist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdealornodeal (talk • contribs) 20:55, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I think that SHOULD be added to the article, that she has confirmed to have recorded a duet for the next album. It IS confirmed and IS news. Fan4me (talk) 19:38, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Kelly confirmed on Twitter that the album will most likely be pushed back until early 2011 however she feels the first single off the album will be released before the end of the year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdealornodeal (talk • contribs) 01:03, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

social networks are not a reliable source under wikipedia guidelines. Very often a celebrity says something will happen, then it doesn't happen when they claim, or something totally different happens. Nothing is for certain until an official release is out from management or label (with a few exceptions. This includes thigns Kelly says (has has mentioned songs on albums in the past that never happened, singles that were never released because they were switched last minute, among other things). Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of verifiable facts of the present and past, not the future Alan - talk 04:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Picture

I know there have been age-long debates in this talk page in years past when I was previous editor of this article under a different name, but can we please change the picture in the main article. It's terrible and worth considering. I move to change it to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kelly_Clarkson_at_Joint_Reserve_Base_Naval_Air_Station_in_Fort_Worth_Texas.jpg

from the American Idol 1 page.

I'll leave this out there incase anyone has any better suggestions. Ball00naticFan (talk) 11:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. There are so many other better pictures of her out there. Surely there must be something in public use that we can use. B4theword (talk) 20:34, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Main Picture + Associated Acts

I have no idea how to change the recent pic (which is not her best one) ! here is a link of a nice and more recent one :

http://en.terra.com/addon/img/c7bd4c51-kelly-fight%20(6)p.jpg

( discription of the pic would be : Clarkson performing at the "Celebrity Fight Night" in March 2011 )

Could someone please change it ? thx =)

also, it'd be nice if Avril Lavigne and Pink (singer) were listed as associated acts.

She has never recorded with, or toured with either, so how would they be associated acts? and images can't be used on Wikipedia without copyright permissions 98.254.114.74 (talk) 05:31, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

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"vocal praise"

Excuse me for the "attitude", but how does a section composed of random soundbytes from Clarkson's friends/former bosses not seem inappropriate and completely uninformative. Most of these quotes say nothing about her voice itself, just that is is amazing. Then there's this phrase "praise from critics and celebrities alike," who cares. Does "praise" from Simon Cowell tell me anything about her voice? No it doesn't. If you (Cartoon Boy and your numerous IP addresses) had read, I had retained the most descriptive quotes that were not from her associates. You're just creating a slippery slope where we can add all sort of "praise" here, like maybe next week we'll have a soundbyte from Kim Kardashian on how amazing Clarkson's voice is. So excuse me for being a little heavy handed with the wording, but you're just trying to disguise a peacock section as a legitimate section. Fixer23 (talk) 23:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree. And furthermore, aren't terms like spinto, lyric, dramatic, ... only used for singers with classical trained / operatic voices. At least that's what I found out from Voice classification in non-classical music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.102.123 (talk) 01:01, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree totally with both comments above. And as such I will be keeping an eye for changes such as biased commenting ect. Also in regards to her voice being classed as spinto I agree, whilst some voices can be called 'lyric' sopranos outside of classical singing its very rare. I have never heard of 'spinto' for a non operatic voice, however Clarkson is both classically trained and also possesses some of the qualities that a spinto has. Check out her performance for the pope in which she sang Ave Maria, then read the spinto soprano page, she has some of those qualities! Also as the source states that she is a 'spinto' I will leave the data for now! I would however be grateful if anyone could try and hunt down some more citations so that more clarity can be gained on the subject and the necessary changes can be made. Thank you.BrotherDarksoul (talk) 21:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

After having a good think about this I have removed the Spinto descriptor as you are right. Contemporary singers cannot and should not be given these terms, regardless of the qualities the voice itself may have. This is due to an entirely different technique between the two genres in terms of ability of the voice and the demands that are put on it. I have left the article stating her soprano range as both sources clearly state. The information is more than adequate for the page and should help in not confusing people and perhaps even being misleading. I hope this clarifies the issue. Thank you.BrotherDarksoul (talk) 09:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys random question moment, a few good moons ago I remember someone making an edit into the artistry page in regards to her 'exact' vocal range (which I think spanned over 3 octaves) I wonder if anyone knows what that range is and perhaps if they could prove the data? These I believe are interesting things in regards to the technical ability of a singer which a lot of people seem to like to know. If not its ok, but the more technical data we can add and the more citations in regards to such data the more interesting and better informative the article. Any other ideas in regards to the general artistry area would be much welcome too! Thanks guys. BrotherDarksoul (talk) 08:26, 08 February 2012 (UTC)

Whistle Register and range

Having researched the discussion archives and various composition data here I have calculated that her range spans from E3 - G6 the latter note being that of a whistle in 'Honestly' from 'Stronger'. She has also previously hit the whistle register live on several occasions and her famed Idol performance of 'Natural Woman' (F#6). Do you think we could add a snippet in regards to her having over a 3 octave range with the ability to access the whistle register? BrotherDarksoul (talk) 09:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I am going to remove the information you added because this is the classic example of WP:Original research. You added the information in the middle of a sourced sentence without a new source making it seem like the current source backs up the sentence, which it does not. If you find a WP:Reliable source that can back up the octave information you are trying to add, then the information can be added back to the article. Aspects (talk) 01:55, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Profile Pic

Please note I have changed the pic as the previous one was innapropriate for an opening pic due to its pollution of the heads of others etc and brands no less, I have added another being 'File:KClarkson2010.jpg' as its tidier and better suited to that of an info box image. If anyone would like to change the image please refer to here first with decent reasoning before just reverting it back to the grim image that was there before. Thank you BrotherDarksoul (talk) 04:40, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I Have to say I totally agree with you, the pic that you posted is a better picture, please note that if it is continually reverted I will be happy to keep an eye and revert when necesarry. Its a shame these people have not bothered to come to this page and notify anyone on the changes they make. Rather than just do what they like. 02:37, 23 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.153 (talk)

I disagree, and consider that the original "polluted" pic is the better of the three so far posted, in that it's not cropped, or from a poor angle making her look flatteringly "crumpled", or unflatteringly, fat. It's a slap-bang profile pic direct of her face - exactly what the lede picture should be. "These people" are not required to come to the page and explain their actions - according to Bold Revert Discuss, it is the responsibility of the changing editor to explain why they believe their actions and changes should be considered the new consensus. I am also quite happy to keep an eye on the page and change it each time - hey let's edit war why not? I am reverting back to the original picture, which is the one to be changed under discussion. Once you have all convinced all the other editors of this page that your changes are positive, then we can have a new picture, however - in the meantime, the original should stay, as per the "revert" part of the BRD. Now we enter the "discuss" part of the BRD. a_man_alone (talk) 13:17, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I actually disagree with you, firstly whilst it may be the case that people are not required to explain their actions its merely good manners to do so and the request 'to do so' is that which makes good pages via clear and fair debates and discussions, hence the existance of these areas! Secondly a picture that represents a page should be that of a tidy and well presented image (regardless of the inane issues you talk about ie, weight - which should not even be an issue unless your ignorance truly knows no bounds!) and be reflective of what the person on the page is (in Kellys case a singer). But clearly I am wasting my time on this clique of a page (one of which has zero interest in any kind of standard) and those clearly have no interest in the thoughts of others regardless making your introduction into "discussions" irrelevant and pointless, bearing in mind I already started that part. Do what ever you like, I am done wasting my time, the page can look a mess! BrotherDarksoul (talk) 16:11, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Having got into a heated,relentless and silly debate in regards to this issue. I now relent and shall not be making any further edits/reversions in regards to infobox images. Also I regret to admit I was wrong to state that this page is a 'clique' as I know that the majority of editors in this page are not only adept but extremely conciencious in regards to their work on this page, so for that I apologise! Recently also I got into a rather messy argument with another editor which was also not necessary, (I will deal with that personally). My main reasoning for wanting the change of image was for the quality of the page and how it reflects as an article on first look. Unfortunately though the database on the commons does not contain a huge amount of Clarkson images so I guess until someone gets camera happy we will have to make do with what we have. Again I apologise and do not mean to cause offence, this is a page that I feel extremely passionate about (as I assume many of you do also) and is one I have followed since joining up to the site.BrotherDarksoul (talk) 08:44, 08 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 July 2012

Category:American pop rock singers

Amy Traynor 19:42, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done Elizium23 (talk) 20:23, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Carole King and Gerry Goffin wrote the song "You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman"

At least twice in this article about Kelly Clarkson, it identifies the song as Aretha Franklin's. Aretha did record it and make it a hit. However, the song was written by the famous songwriting team of Carole King and Gerry Goffin. Carole King also recorded it and had success with it.

Aretha Franklin did not write that song.