Talk:X-Men (film series)

References to use

Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.

• Booker, M. Keith (2007). "The X-Men Film Franchise". May Contain Graphic Material: Comic Books, Graphic Novels, and Film. Praeger. ISBN 0275993868.
• Gardner, Eriq (2010-11-29). "Fox Sues to Stop Film and TV Script Leaks". The Hollywood Reporter.
• http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/bryan_singer_says_x-men_first_class_sequel_could_be_set_during_vietnam/
• http://screenrant.com/xmen-first-class-sequel-ideas-schrad-117120/
• http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/05/27/x-men-first-class-sequel-cast/
• http://collider.com/james-mcavoy-x-men-first-class-sequel/94462/
• Zeitchik, Steve (2011-06-07). "Bryan Singer: An 'X-Men: First Class' sequel could be set in Vietnam, or amid the civil rights movement". Los Angeles Times.

Spin-off

Should we mention the Magneto and Wolverine spin-offs in more detail here? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 13:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Beast before X3

Wasn't there a cameo of the Dr. McCoy on TV (not Kelsey Grammar, obviously) in either the first or second film? Should that be included? As long as we have the Kitty Pryde cameos mentioned... —Erik (talk • contrib) - 14:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Yep, Steven Basic played the part. Alientraveller 14:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Influences

In regard to the revert about the film's influences, I'm not sure why Variety should be questioned when it says, "Using several resources that include the Marvel Comics lore, along with the more recent Weapon X graphic novels by Frank Miller, Wolverine mixes action with an origin story about how Logan emerged from a barbaric experiment as an indestructible mutant with retractable razor-sharp claws." Is there something that overrides this? Scripts can change, you know. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused. Frank Miller's four part Wolverine story with Chris Claremont wasn't about Weapon X. Alientraveller 15:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, Wolverine is also known as Weapon X, so it's probably not explicitly about Wolverine's involvement with the program. I think that the recent influence should be mentioned, though, but re-worded to be vaguer and just point toward Frank Miller's work. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Variety may have confused Miller with Frank Tieri, who wrote the most recent Weapon X story, and Jackman said the film wasn't going to revolve around the Samurai backstory.[1] So I think we should leave it there. Alientraveller 16:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright, we'll see what new information surfaces. The headline and discussion are here to revisit if there's any more clarification down the road. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Wizard Entertainment has some answers. "I’ve been reading Wolverine comics for 23 years," admitted the writer. And while he couldn’t discuss specific elements of his script, Benioff did hint at his favorite Wolvie stories. “I went back and reread the Chris Claremont and Frank Miller miniseries, and the Barry Windsor-Smith Weapon X." There's more information about the film at the link. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Cite is now there. Alientraveller 18:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Good Article review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass/Fail:

This article could do with a few more images, but other than that it seems to me to meet the good article criteria. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 23:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, images would be tough for a film series article... a lot of the information is broad. Maybe we could make a line graph of the first 10 weeks of the box office performance of the X-Men films. :) —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Cast members interested in returning

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• [3]
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I'll incorporate these once I have time. Alientraveller 21:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I've had problems installing Flash (it works on some sites), so could someone watch this Ellen Page interview? I'd sent in a question asking if she'd reprise the role of Kitty. [6] Alientraveller (talk) 16:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

No mention of Kitty, it was mainly all to do with Juno. Sorry.  Paul  730 17:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Alientraveller (talk) 17:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Cudmore in X1?

I know Colossus has a cameo in X1, he can be seen sketching in the court yard of the X-Mansion. However, are we sure that it's Daniel Cudmore who plays him? I can't remember even seeing his face. IMDb doesn't list anyone as playing Colossus, so are we sure he was even credited? Paul730 22:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

young wolverine

An actor has already been chosen to play young Logan. http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=6445 Franshu 21:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Wolverine

Couldn't that section be remade into another article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.125.46 (talk • contribs)

Hi; as per the notability guidelines for films, it shouldn't have its own article until such time as filming begins. Due to the unpredictable nature of the film business, a project may be delayed or end up canceled altogether, even a high-profile project such as this one. So we find it best not to create the article for said film until we know it's almost certain to reach completion (i.e. when the cameras finally roll). Best regards, Steve ^{T • C} 09:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

For The Love Of God Create an X-men Origins:Wolverine Article...You Have Enough Info For A Full Article About The Movie... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.131.28.91 (talk) 16:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Again, not until it starts filming, per WP:FUTFILMS. I'm not bothered though to start paragraphing the mini-article now though, as it starts this month. Alientraveller (talk) 20:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I concur with Alientraveller. A full article about a film would include the plot, the cast, the production, and various aspects of its release such as box office performance and critical reaction. Considering the delays of superhero films such as Justice League of America and the Superman Returns sequel as well as other major projects especially due to the writers' strike, Wolverine still has not crossed the threshold into production. The threshold exists because the entry into production cannot be guaranteed at all until it actually begins. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 20:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

The info about Liev being cast as Stryker is speculative. Some sites are reporting that he will be Sabretooth and Michael C Hall (Dexter) will be young stryker. MikeSims (talk) 20:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

No it's not, CHUD is just a rumourmill. Alientraveller (talk) 20:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Cast section in future

Is there anyone we might want to leave out for this article in future? The Wolverine cast has its own unique set of mutants, I'm not so sure how many to include, or for that matter how many mutants to include from the previous films. A controversial idea I have is to leave out mutants who only appeared once. Alientraveller (talk) 16:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd agree with the one-time appearances being taken out, but it may be better to move it and make a small paragraph about them. That's if nothings been done yet. Just realised when you wrote this. -- Harish - 15:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Magneto script reviews

[7] I'm placing these here for safekeeping. When the film is in production and final plot details emerge, these can be implemented to show how things changed. Alientraveller (talk) 10:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Review of Goyer's rewrite. Alientraveller (talk) 18:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't Generation X also be included in this list?

It is also an X-men film, no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.11.183 (talk) 08:37, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

A failed television pilot: but there's a good quote from Arad about it in a book, so I will add that. Alientraveller (talk) 11:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Budget

Anyone wanna add budget to the table in # 3.1 Box office performance. Would be good.IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 04:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

X-Men Origins: Deadpool confirmed.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/theampersand/archive/2009/05/06/x-men-origins-deadpool-confirmed.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.138.221 (talk) 04:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The article has mentioned for over a year now the studio's interest in his own film. Alientraveller (talk) 19:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully they don't screw it up like they did in Wolverine. 98.31.7.138 (talk) 15:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)EF

Okay, I'm just curious about this. I know they've confirmed the Deadpool spinoff but has it been confirmed as X-Men Origins: Deadpool? I know I'm probably just being obsessive or maybe even anal retentive but I'm just curious. ONEder Boy (talk) 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

1) To the IP, WP:TALK. 2) ONEder Boy, I've removed the section header since all that is known about the project is appropriately mentioned in the Wolverine section is that the studio would like a spin-off for Reynolds. If something more concrete like a director/writer came up, it could easily go under a Deadpool header. Alientraveller (talk) 00:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Someone looking up information on the Deadpool project and turning to Wikipedia would not know to find information about it in the subsection of a different movie. We may not have much information on the Deadpool movie (thus explaining why it doesn't have its own article) but with it being announced it CERTAINLY deserves it's own section --206.170.91.220 (talk) 00:05, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Put the Gambit and Deadpool sentence in its own section. :) Alientraveller (talk) 00:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Gambit's a different matter. We have no information about a spinoff being in the works for him, while there's article after article after article out there put forward in the past couple days about the next Deadpool movie being on the way. Gambit's future was just idle theorizing. --206.170.91.220 (talk) 00:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

IMO, they're just as likely as each other: the studio may reiterate its interest but neither of them have a script or director. Anyway, I'll leave you to take care of it. Alientraveller (talk) 10:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They're not just as likely as each other. Deadpool has been officially confirmed and Ryan Renolds has signed a contract to reprise his role as Wade Wilson/Deapool. At this point in time a Gambit movie is just wishfull thinking on the part of the producers. The prior can also be said for the Wolverine sequal, it's been officially confirmed, Hugh Jackman is signed on, so it requires it's own section, regardless of weather or not it's been mentioned in a diffrent article. 86.150.144.20 (talk) 10:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

They're all wishful thinking on the producers' part. ;) Alientraveller (talk) 21:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Not when contracts have been signed. 86.150.144.20 (talk) 07:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah dude, only Deadpool has been confimed, the Cajun would be cool in a film, but this is just our hopes, Deadpool is almost definetly going to get his own film, while Gambit may not, if we're lucky he might appear in any upcoming X-films & in the future maybe his own, Heck if I could I'd write the Script myself, I'd do it For the Deadpool film too, but that's allready got a script in early development, just hope they keep it comedic & not a 'family' film where they have a comedic character, then ruin it by putting a really serious ending, like Marly & Me, or the Wrestler. --The One & Only (talk) 14:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Too much infobox content

I just removed the Producer, Writer, Music, Cinematography, and Editing fields from the infobox. Why? Because there was a massive amount of information in there, and it caused the infobox to spill over onto the Recurring Characters table[8]. That information is important, yes, but only for the individual movies themselves; when covering the series, we need to restrict it to just the most common elements (such as the stars) or the most important (such as the directors). EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

X-Men 4

Why does X-Men 4 redirect to the Wolverine movie? shouldn't it redirect here? since the Wolverine movie was a spin off. --Gman124 ^talk 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Deadpool will mouth off?

Why does it say that Ryan Renolds will "regain the ability to mouth off" in Deadpool? Did RR want to mouth off and they didn't let him? Did the character mouth off in the beginning of Wolverine and something happened to stop him from mouthing off? Does Deadpool mouth off in the comics but not in Wolverine? Anyway, it's a weird sentence with an ambiguous phrase that someone who knows more than me should fix. Thanks. Kansaikiwi (talk) 13:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

In Wolverine, Deadpool's mouth is stitched up by Stryker to shut him up, so in the new film he will have this undone & get the ability to mouth off again, any way that doesn't matter, what happened to the section about Deadpool's film? it's gone, has someone thought it would be funny? It was smat? or some idiot thought that it was a rumour? someone re place it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captcrash182 (talk • contribs) 11:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

fox's x-men rights

the lead says that fox got the right in 1994. but for how long did they get it for? also since disney owns marvel now and they want to do it with their own studios after deals expire would that mean that they might restart the franchise? should those things be included here too? Gman124 ^talk 17:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Merging Magneto with First Class

I think it's safe to say that the Magneto spin-off will never get made, and elements from that script are being merged into the First Class storyline, given Singer's comments in that Los Angeles Times interview. Should we just merge the two sections together? Wildroot Improved (talk) 17:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Sandbox for X-Men: First Class film

I have created an sandbox for the X-Men: First Class film here for future use. You are welcome to edit and expand on it if you like. Thank you! Jhenderson777 (talk) 18:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

It's perfect! It's time to put it online. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.51.42.87 (talk) 20:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Not yet! An article about the film can't come out until it starts filming. But thank you! Jhenderson777 (talk) 22:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

First Class Filming

Lauren Shuler Donner said that First Class would begin filming in August here. Does this mean the First Class article can be created on the 1st of September--121.217.213.95 (talk) 08:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

No, it means that the article can be started when we receive word that it has actually started, not when it possibly may start filming.-5- (talk) 15:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Film deviations from comics

A lot of this is POV, but it's something I think needs consideration.

Maybe I'm just picking everything apart, but I think there needs to be some mention of how/where the movie differs from the comics. Did the movie's writers/directors ever read an issue of X-Men?

ex:

-Pyro an American teen and best friends (for a while) with Iceman? Pyro is an Australian adult and has always been a villain.

-Wolverine being 6'2" He's like barely over 5' in the comics

-Rogue being a whiny priss? She's supposed to be an in-your-face bruiser.

-Rogue and Bobby having a romantic interest? No. Rogue and Gambit, yes. Rogue and Magneto, yes.

-Kitty and Bobby having a romantic interest? No. Kitty and Colossus, yes.

-Jean killing Cyclops and Xavier? Never happened during any Phoenix storyline.

-The original X-Men were Cyke, Jean, Angel, Beast, Iceman yet Angel was an afterthought, Beast was like decades older than everyone, and Cyke and Jean were "senior members" where Bobby was just a newbie.

-Way too much was made of Wolvie's and Jean's feelings toward each other. Yes, there was something in the comics but nothing like they made it out to be in the movies.

All of that said, I fear they might have reconned a lot of stuff to make the movies more true to the comics. I still only collect up to the mid-90s and everything I listed never happened in Uncanny X-Men or any derivative thereof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerotta (talk • contribs) 14:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Incubator for The Wolverine

This is just a notice that an article for The Wolverine is being incubated at Wikipedia:Article Incubator/The Wolverine (film) until such time that it is ready for inclusion in the mainspace. All are welcome to come help nurture the article's development there.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

X-Men (film series) → X-Men in film – With a lack of continuity and different offshoots (a spin-off and a quasi-reboot), calling this topic a "film series" seems inaccurate. Using "X-Men in film" will adjust the scope so we can write about the fictional team (or its members) with ease. Similar move has been done for Batman in film, Superman in film, and Spider-Man in film. Erik (talk | contribs) 21:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The five films seem to share a continuity, or at least claim to, don't they? Powers ^T 01:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose they are a film series, and claim to share continuity (along with many retcons between issues). If you want to write a bigger article on films not in the film series (such as the animated films with no relation to the film series other than source material), then go ahead. This should remain focused on the film series. 65.93.15.213 (talk) 04:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. Whilst I understand Erik's point that the move will allow for greater scope, at the moment this article is about one specific series of films. I would prefer to see this article kept where it was, but see no reason why an umbrella article of X-Men in film can't co-exist. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

  I'm not sure if these films are part of a series. All the films are part of the 20th Century Fox franchise, but we have a spinoff and a prequel/reboot with more of both to follow. It's not the same thing as having X-Men 1-5 with X-Men 6-7 on the way. There does not appear to be any total grouping of these films in home media, either. We have box sets for the trilogy, yet there is no box set for the "series" that includes the trilogy and the Wolverine film. The title "X-Men in film" allows us to discuss the topic in a scope broader than continuity or rights ownership. Erik (talk | contribs) 17:50, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

  In addition, the fact that the studio wants to ignore Deadpool from the Wolverine film and make an unrelated Deadpool film shows the lack of direction (in terms of continuity or overarching premise) a series would typically have. Erik (talk | contribs) 18:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

  Who said that Deadpool is part of the series? It doesn't even exist yet, you're being very WP:CRYSTALly in determining that a future unmade film makes this not a series. Even if the future Deadpool isn't part of a series, does not make this not a series. Not every film based on a Marvel Universe character is part of the X-Men film series. 65.93.15.213 (talk) 04:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

  So why should we be covering Deadpool here if it is not part of the series? Do you think we should migrate the discussion to Deadpool#Film instead? That is why I am suggesting the adjustment in the scope, so we can discuss everything X-men and film-related here. Erik (talk | contribs) 19:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

  Well, in those two paragraphs, the first one is about a derivative of Wolverine, and the second is about a non-derivative. Clearly information about the cancelled derivative film is part of this series. The non-derivative's status is not clear. It could be a retcon, it could be something else. So the second paragraph should be moved to the Deadpool article, since it's WP:CRYSTAL to link the unrelated Deadpool here. 65.93.15.213 (talk) 05:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

  The first four films were released as a "quadrilogy" (sic) here in the UK. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

  Okay, okay, I'll concede that. :) I guess marketers find a way... what circumstances would "X-Men in film" suffice under? If Deadpool really gets made (even though the discussion seems misplaced here), do you think it should still be a film series article? Erik (talk | contribs) 19:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

  The status of the Deadpool movie has absolutely no bearing on whether the five existing films compose a series or not. You can delete the second Deadpool paragraph to solve your issues. (though in reality, people usually discuss related material to some extent, in articles) 65.93.15.213 (talk) 05:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Generation X

Not that I really agree with the move, but now that we're dealing with X-Men films on a broad scope should we include Generation X (film)? I'm guessing not since it's a TV film, but I thought it was worth mentioning. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible (talk) 08:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Move

I don't think that the move of this article from X-Men (film series) to X-Men in film was justified. The move was discussed but no consenseus was reached. There has also been no official announcement that all the films are set in one continuity (not to imply that continuity defines a film series), unlike the given examples of Batman, Spider-Man and Superman. At the very least, there should have been more discussion before this page was moved. --124.184.165.154 (talk) 10:51, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. I'm going to move it back. Woknam66 ^talk _{James Bond} 20:11, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

X-Men Origins: Magneto a canceled film?

I don't understand why X-Men Origins: Magneto is listed as an unproduced project. It seems clear that the same basic storyline was made into X-Men: First Class. Heck, even the article itself implies this. It says "the story was moved forward to 1962, and involves Xavier and Magneto battling a villain" and also that "concept art for a younger Beast was designed." Both of these elements ended up in the final version of X-Men: First Class so it's safe to say that Magneto was simply a first draft. Furthermore, this website (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/complex-x-men-first-class-182356) states the writer of the Magneto script did receive a story credit for First Class. If the "unproduced" part refers to the original draft, then I see no point because several films change from the first draft to the final product. So I hope we can reach a consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunchmeets (talk • contribs) 04:31, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree. The two sections need to be merged. It's obvious that the Magneto spin-off resulted into First Class. Wildroot (talk) 06:55, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

XM:FC sequel title

Is it X-Men: Days of Future Past or simply Days of Future Past?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Good question. It seems as if the sources are saying the second option although I wouldn't be surprised if X-Men is later revealed to be part of the title just to let the audience know that it is a X-Men movie. You think we should change it? Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 22:13, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

It should be whatever we can verify.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 01:28, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Is it not X-Men: First Class - Days of Future Past? Frogkermit (talk) 16:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be clear yet. If we find a source saying that without citing this particular source we could possibly use it. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 20:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Incubator for Days Of Future Past ?

I wanted to see if someone might be able to set up an incubator for Days of Future Past, just until we get solid info on it, Thanks