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Proposal to rename Category:Web browser engines to Category:Layout engines

Half of the articles in Category:Web browser engines are already correctly named "XXX (layout engine)". Discussion is here. LittleBen (talk) 04:06, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Siblings of Presidents of the United States

Propose deleting Category:Siblings of Presidents of the United States - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Tenuous, trivial association which is not useful for navigation. Cf. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_March_30#Category:Parents_of_national_leaders, which deleted Category:Parents of Presidents of the United States —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People associated with The Beatles

Propose deleting Category:People associated with The Beatles - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Per other "People associated with X" categories. cf. Wikipedia:OC#ASSOCIATED —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:13, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment When I created this cat most of the articles which now populate it were placed under the main Category:The Beatles cat, so I swapped cats to make the categorisation more precise. Unless there is a reasonable alternative proposal put forward to deal with the situation I don't see how it would be helpful to revert back. It is useful to have people who are associated with the Beatles, such as Klaus Voormann, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Brian Epstein, Mal Evans, etc. categorised. If this cat is deleted, someone will make an attempt to categorise the above people and others, and the attempt may not be as workable as this solution. I see the general sense of Wikipedia:OC#ASSOCIATED, though wonder if it should apply in all situations. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. I thought I would go through the cat to remove those people whose article didn't mention the Beatles, I started at the bottom and looked at Roby Yonge. That person's main claim to fame appears to be that he was fired as a DJ after he announced McCartney's death in 1969. As his notability is this association with the Beatles, then - other than the main Beatles cat - the only appropriate cat is Category:People associated with The Beatles. Rather than overload the main cat, and to group articles more precisely, this cat seems not just appropriate but fairly important. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 10:03, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Artist's books and multiples

Propose renaming Category:Artist's books and multiples to Category:Limited edition artist's books

Nominator's rationale: I recommend have the parent cat be Category:Artist's books, with the renamed category here being a subcat of it, along with another sub cat created, Category:Individual artist's books Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:00, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- I would oppose the renaming; very few of the entries are limited editions; Fluxus 1, for instance, was available for 15 or so years until Maciunas' death; Dimanche was printed in an enormous edition; twentysix gasoline stations was reprinted three times, etc etc. This category was started in the hope of collecting together articles on mass-produced modern artworks that referenced book form, or emulated mass production as part of the work's meaning. At the time, the other bookart category included graphic novels, comics and the like, which struck me as belonging to a completely different genre. To use 'limited edition' in this context seems an attempt at a synonym for 'high art'; I'd oppose either reading. As a practioner and historian of book art, I was (and am) interested in improving understanding of what remains an elusive- though hugely influential- genre of modern art. Many works of conceptual art, for instance, are published primarily as mass-produced books, without ever being specifically numbered or limited. I intend to continue writing about these works- such as Weiner's Statements, Warhol's Index and Siegelaub's Zerox book.I think these terms are at best unhelpful and inappropriate, implying exclusivity, which is not the same as poor distribution, disinterest and an absence of marketing. Yves: Peinture, for instance was said to have been published in an edition of 100, sold about 16 copies, and the remaining copies lay under Klein's bed until after his death. There is no reason to assume that he wouldn't have made more if there had been the demand. I also am unaware of what is meant by 'individual artist's books'??? Perhaps you could elucidate?? Franciselliott (talk) 11:28, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to rename Category:Web browser engine comparisons to Category:Layout engine comparisons

All but one of the pages in this category are already correctly named "layout engine". Discussion is here. LittleBen (talk) 03:46, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Failure albums

Propose renaming Category:Failure albums to Category:Failure (band) albums

Nominator's rationale: Misleading name: I initially thought this category was for albums which were commercial failures, or something like that. In fact it's for albums by Failure (band), and should be renamed to match that title. (It should also be removed from Category:Failure, which is for the general concept, not the band.) Robofish (talk) 00:23, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy rename Per c2b/c2d. I've personally proposed hundreds like this. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:14, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note It will be removed from Category:Failure if moved; inclusion is a product of a template. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:15, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 :* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Artist's books and multiples]] to [[:Category:Limited edition artist's books]]
 :'''Nominator's rationale:''' I recommend have the parent cat be [[:Category:Artist's books]], with the renamed category here being a subcat of it, along with another sub cat created, [[:Category:Individual artist's books]] [[User:Mercurywoodrose|Mercurywoodrose]] ([[User talk:Mercurywoodrose|talk]]) 04:00, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
+**I would oppose the renaming; very few of the entries are limited editions; Fluxus 1, for instance, was available for 15 or so years until Maciunas' death; Dimanche was printed in an enormous edition; twentysix gasoline stations was reprinted three times, etc etc. This category was started in the hope of collecting together articles on mass-produced modern artworks that referenced book form, or emulated mass production as part of the work's meaning. At the time, the other bookart category included graphic novels, comics and the like, which struck me as belonging to a completely different genre. To use 'limited edition' in this context seems an attempt at a synonym for 'high art'; I'd oppose either reading. As a practioner and historian of book art, I was (and am) interested in improving understanding of what remains an elusive- though hugely influential- genre of modern art. Many works of conceptual art, for instance, are published primarily as mass-produced books, without ever being specifically numbered or limited. I intend to continue writing about these works- such as Weiner's Statements, Warhol's Index and Siegelaub's Zerox book.I think these terms are at best unhelpful and inappropriate, implying exclusivity, which is not the same as poor distribution, disinterest and an absence of marketing. Yves: Peinture, for instance was said to have been published in an edition of 100, sold about 16 copies, and the remaining copies lay under Klein's bed until after his death. There is no reason to assume that he wouldn't have made more if there had been the demand. I also am unaware of what is meant by 'individual artist's books'??? Perhaps you could elucidate?? [[User:Franciselliott|Franciselliott]] ([[User talk:Franciselliott|talk]]) 11:28, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
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