Talk:Paul Gascoigne

Talent

Why is there nothing discussing how this man was the greatest English attacking player of all time? I think the whole "Gazza is a loon" angle has been overdone now - time to take a step back and with the hindsight only time gives us, recognise this man for his positives as well as his negatives.

which parts do you feel should be altered, due to the course of time? Monkeymanman (talk) 18:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Falling asleep in a wheelie bin

There was a headline on the Sunday Sport (I think) yesterday, with 'Gazza falls asleep in Wheelie bin'. Does anyone hae a link or conformation on this, as I cant find it on their website?

Knowing the Sunday Sport it's probably not true!

Photo

I think this article deserves a photo. I would put one up but wouldn't know where to start. Can anyone help us out? Alec McEnemin 20:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. One with him wearing fake tits would suit best I believe.

Can sombody find a better picture? The one that's up at the moment isn't exactly flattering 138.37.250.195 (talk) 19:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Here is a good photo http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg16/gusintheuk2/paul-gascoigne-192_667988e.jpg

It just needs someone who is auto-confirmed to upload it.

That's an awful, cynical picture. Whoever chose it is using their POV on the man. I'm sure people looking at him like this, is not helpful

Like all other players on here, show him in his pomp. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.128.223.67 (talk) 15:08, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

OCD

Does he have OCD? The OCD article claims he does. If he does it is odd that it is not mentioned in the article. Robert Brockway 07:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

he does. Philc _T^E_C^I 12:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Dubious information

Caps and goal figures in the article likely contain European cup/Domestic cup data in addition to Domestic League data (this is very certain based on this user's previous edits containing similar information [1]. Please correct this issue and leave a note here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alfmaster#Footballers.27_European_goals, to warn this person about putting improper information on Wikipedia. --Palffy 21:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, info on Gascoigne now looks legit to me. --Palffy 01:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Discontinuous?

He was discontinuous? What does that mean? Must be British English, it doesn't make any sense to me. --Awiseman 14:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Alcoholism and wifebeating

This is controversial, yet unsourced. I'm removing the wifebeating part per WP:BLP until someone sources it.-h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 18:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/149561.stm . Here is a source Francium12 (talk) 06:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

For more see: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article447507.ece - extract from his book, if that counts. See 'October 1996' DanGravell (talk) 13:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Section needs to be rewritten. 194.72.81.141 (talk) 18:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

French surname?

It sounds more French than English. Any thoughts?--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 20:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I blame William the Conqueror.

Louis XIV more likely. Probably a descendant of Huguenots (at a pure guess).130.225.25.18 (talk) 09:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Mental health issues

Do we really need to state the exact dates of his entering and leaving hospitals for mental health problems? It seems unnecessarily detailed to me, and frankly a bit invasive of his privacy (and is, in any case, unreferenced). It would probably be sufficient to say 'since 2008, he has been sectioned several times under the Mental Health Act'. We have a useful essay that applies here: WP:BASICHUMANDIGNITY. Terraxos (talk) 22:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Spurs

What happened to the Spurs section of his career? Has it been deleted by mistake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.81.99 (talk) 19:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Gazza picture

Can someone please put up a better picture of Gazza ? ...... I know everyone thinks of him as a laughing stock, and likes to see him looking the worse for wear, but does he really deserve the terrible picture ?

He was after all an extremely talented Man who just happened to lose his way in life ..... He deserves some dignity . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.47.36 (talk) 22:13, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

i am currently trying to do so but it must meet wiki standards which is proving a problem, (i.e. be freely licensed), do you have one yourself?(Monkeymanman (talk) 19:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC))

In July, this image was removed by Ohconfucius on the grounds amounting to WP:IDL. I think it should be restored. It might not be a → good image but it's the only image available. Besides seeing Gascoigne on TV today does not make him look any better. Any thoughts?

I really do not believe the current caption to this photo on the article page which says he's at some exhibition/fair at the NEC - looks more like a webcam shot from his spare room.209.51.184.13 (talk) 18:02, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Smoker

Is it worth mentioning that Gazza is a smoker? (92.5.72.215 (talk) 18:45, 3 July 2010 (UTC))

No. raseaC^{talk to me} 16:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it's worth mentioning because his 20-a-day habit is thought to be part of the reason why he wasn't deemed fit enough for the 1998 World Cup. (92.1.73.240 (talk) 11:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC))

I think he also enjoys fast foods. Is that worth mentioning. Monkeymanman (talk) 17:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Definitely, enjoying fastfood is in itself notable! raseaC^{talk to me} 17:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Great! I will spend the next 3 months going through every fast food junkies BLP and updating them. Monkeymanman (talk) 18:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Normally someone enjoying fast food and smoking wouldn't be noteworthy, but for Gazza it demonstrates how his lifestyle wasn't condusive to getting the best out of his talent, so it's worth included (sourced accurately, of course).--MartinUK (talk) 18:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I disagree, there is enough in the article to show how his lifestyle is and was. Adding some random piece of trivia to bulk out the section is hardly going to improve the article enough to be noteworthy. Monkeymanman (talk) 23:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Many people think Ashley Cole's smoking habit is part of the reason we lost the 2010 World Cup. (92.8.38.67 (talk) 11:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC))

Merge Jimmy 'Five Bellies' Gardner here?

The article on Jimmy 'Five Bellies' Gardner has been prodded (twice) and redirected here (then reverted). There was a mergeto template on it before I redirected it, but not a mergefrom template here. So we need to come to a consensus: should the article: redirect to here; stay as it is; or go to AfD. Thoughts please. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 19:30, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I think it should just stay as it is because it's linked to from Charlie Miller's page and it wouldn't make much sense for that to point to Gascoigne. I mean, it's pretty marginal, but it's not like the internet is going to run out of room for bios. Grace Note (talk) 09:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

It's less a case of the internet running out of space, and more a case of Wikipedia biographies of living people meeting the notability guidelines. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 09:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• No to a merge, weak keep as-is.  Badgernet  ₪  09:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

The guy is a nonentity, and appears to have done nothing noteworthy. Wikipedia has deleted articles of people who HAVE achieved single noteworthiness, on the grounds single noteworthiness is insufficient, so there's double standards going on here, surprise surprise................82.21.207.51 (talk) 16:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

There shouldn't even be an article about Jimmy Gardner because he is a nobody. (92.7.14.32 (talk) 19:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC))

Personal life section

I don't think information in the personal life section should be removed just because some of it is taken from tabloid sources. All the information is confirmed by other sources. Last year I saw Gazza on stage in his touring show and he talked extensively about his overdose on alcohol in September 2008, his drug overdose in November 2010, his financial problems and his general battle with drugs and alcoholism. It would be fair to say that Gazza is probably more famous now for his personal life than for his long ago footballing career, so it is only right that the article reflects both sides. (TommyAnders (talk) 21:42, 12 April 2012 (UTC))

It already does. Kindly refrain from adding back BLP violations added by a banned editor. Material removed per WP:BLP stays out until there is consensus on the talk page for inclusion - see WP:IMPERFECT. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 21:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

While the current version may need trimming down in addition, my objection to the new material is it's just largely more of the same. It's just one drunken incident after another, when we could easily just write a paragraph summarising his drink problems. Similarly with his money problems, since he hasn't been made bankrupt as far as I can tell. Those can be summarised instead of every single issue being dealt with at length. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 22:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

He is bankrupt. He needs help from the FA to have a place to live. (TommyAnders (talk) 12:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC))

Find a reliable source for such claims. Sans a source, the above post will likely be a WP:BLP violation. Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

No need to waste time discussing things with a sock of a banned editor Collect. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 13:42, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Personal life

I tried removing clearly non-salient tidbits from that section, along with clearly editorial phrasing. Please look at each individual item before re-adding, as the ideal is to reach a sensible balance showing his weaknesses without going overboard into "50 cans of Red Bull" time claims. Cheers. Collect (talk) 11:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)