Talk:IWI Tavor

Units in service

The TAR-21 has just entered service with the Golani Brigade as well as the Givati Brigade as of August 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.152.16 (talk) 22:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I have a friend in Kfir brigade who also has a TAR-21 as his personal weapon - AvihooI.

Logic Edit

For anyone who cares, I removed a statement that was logically incorrect about rifles. The article said, before the edit that the rifle requires partial disassembly to swap from lefty to righty ejection. That is true. The article then said that a result of this is that a shooter can not shoulder the weapon to go around a corner on the "wrong" shoulder, and that this problem is unusual among rifles. Most rifles in the world today are not easily configurable for right-handed or left-handed operation, without disassembly. The most prolific rifles in the world at the moment (the AK-47 and M-16 families) can not be modified at all, most components must be replaced, including the receiver, to allow left-handed operation. Even with these "flaws", either can be fired from either shoulder, with a minor inconvenience to the shooter if it is on the "wrong" shoulder. So both of those points are incorrect. 64.102.254.33 (talk) 17:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

It's true that the AK and AR can easily be fired from the opposite shoulder, but they have conventional layouts with the ejection port at least a foot forward of the back of the stock. Ejected casings will easily clear the shooter's face. Bullpup rifles like the Tavor are much more difficult to shoot off the opposite shoulder because the ejection port is much closer to the rear of the stock. When firing a bullpup like this from the opposite shoulder it will eject casings right into the shooter's face. Some bullpups solve this by ejecting spent cases downward (P90) or forward (Kel-Tec RFB). The Tavor does neither. Blackeagle (talk) 21:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

A Tavor can be fired from the "wrong" shoulder; getting hot cases in the face is uncomfortable, but does not preclude proper operation. 68.146.30.79 (talk) 10:38, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

The Tavor is not 100% designed for left-handers but at least it has a design more suitable than Singapore SAR-21. The SAR-21 cannot be easily shot using the left-hand while even the Micro-Tavor can.

147.188.254.196 (talk) 11:36, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

addition

on fps creator, there is a weaopn called tavor. should that be included? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 97.81.109.36 (talk) 21:02, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

No? Koalorka (talk) 21:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Why should it be included? Spartan198 (talk) 01:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

maximum Range

On the Maximum range it says 3600m, That is more than a standard issue sniper rifle. Can this be changed to the correct range, and/or does anyone know the correct Maximum range? --91.105.29.13 10:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Ithink taht this was made with a some of Isreali prejudice. There seem to be some of mistakes that glorifi the weapon.

I think whoever wrote that meant 360 meters, not 3600. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeratul2k (talk • contribs) 22:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

The maximum range is how far the bullet travels if unimpeded, and they often go much, much further than their effective range. The figure is not a mistake. Geoff B 22:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

They ALWAYS go further than their effective range. Otherwise, correct (-: --212.235.85.149 (talk) 19:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, by my calculations (which do not include air resistance) the max range of a weapon firing at around 3000 feet per second is like twenty-something miles. There's no reason to doubt that a bullet will travel 3.6 kilometers. Hell, the warning label on a box of .22 rimfire ammo says "lethal within five miles" and a 5.56mm cartridge has a lot more ooomph than that stuff. Maximum range is a bogus stat, but if you're just asking "how far it will go," then 3600 meters is a really conservative estimate. J.M. Archer (talk) 18:56, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Issued?

has the Tavor been issued to Israeli infantry yet? 82.47.137.100 19:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

AFAIK, no. I suppose it's possible, but not likely, that some of their SOF units have seeing as the SOF units of all nations don't always tell you what they use.65.54.154.46 (talk) 05:02, 19 January 2008 (UTC)13tawaazun14

Just read the service section. 86.84.221.109 (talk) 00:04, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Both of these comments are older then what is shown. I entered one of them like 2 years before my service changed.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 23:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Another country using Tavor that is not mentioned

I saw a video by the Croatian army and they seem to use the Tavor. Would someone with more expertise look this up, and then add it to the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.56.20 (talk) 01:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

You've probably confused the VHS for the TAR-21. I suggest you look at the video again. Jun Kayama (talk) 22:28, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

On this video you can see the TAR-21 in service in the Republic of Macedonia's armed forces (time index 2:57 and onwards): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S04s40UuHRo&feature=player_embedded Does anyone have any data on this. This video is just 2 days old and is from the Independence Day parade.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain dalan (talk • contribs) 17:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Folding Stock

The article states: 'By 2005, IMI had supplied 350–400 Tavors to India's northern Special Frontier Force (SFF). These were declared to be "operationally unsatisfactory", however, due to problems with their folding stock.'

Folding stock? It's a bullpup, the stock categorically does not fold.

Nahal Brigade

I added info about the upcoming switch to Tavor. PluniAlmoni (talk) 12:16, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Turkey

http://birliknet.net/uploads/1/33%5B1%5D.jpg

turkey use it this pohto is from 2008 or 2007 from EFES Landing Traning

sorry there is no source becouse the weapon trades of the special forces keeped secret

Azerbaijan and Turkey

The Tavor is also in use with Azerbaijani and Turkish special forces, and there are numerous photos of these troops wielding Tavors in parades or exercises. The "owner" of this page seems to insist on having a "credible source" such as newspaper articles as references. Militaries in Turkey and Azerbaijan do not operate with the levels of transparency that Western populations take for granted, and many weapons purchases are simply never reported in the media. This means there probably will never be a "credible source" (by the criteria used in this article) for verifying Tavor's use in these countries.

I wonder what could be more credible than actual photos showing the weapon in use by these countries' soldiers??

Azerbaijani special forces with Tavors: http://www.murdoconline.net/2008/azerbaijan_tavor.jpg Turkish special forces with Tavors: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4382/pic00941lg2.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.172.111.123 (talk) 04:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia's verifiability policy or even the note you're shown when you open an edit window. Direct quote: Encyclopedic content must be verifiable. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. You need to provide either a reliable source stating those organizations use the weapon, or else a picture with a caption from a reliable source identifying the organizations that are pictured. ROG5728 (talk) 05:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Point taken. I was able to find a reference to Azerbaijan's Tavor purchase in the monthly bulletin of the Turkish Undersecretariat for Defense Industries, which in turn refers to a past issue of Jane's Defense Weekly. I added it as a reliable source and added Azerbaijan as a verifiable Tavor user. I hope to find a source for the Turkish purchase, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.172.111.123 (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup / merge

The Users section and the Deployment section should be re-arranged. The Deployment section may contain information about deployment in IDF, in this case the Users section should be called Export (without Israel). Flayer (talk) 16:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. PluniAlmoni (talk) 09:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Flayer (talk) 10:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Fire selector options

In this article, it states that the Tavor allows for semi-automatic, Burst, and fully automatic fire, with a "safe" position as well, but, according to numerous sources, IWI's website being one of them, the weapon is not configured for "burst fire". I do have to say it is not entirely impossible a version which allows two or three round bursts(most likely three)was or is manufactured in small numbers, but to my knowledge there isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.101.161 (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Reference site not now available.

It seems this reference site is no longer available.

^ "IWI Tavor civilian semi-automatic carbine". Canadaammo.com. Retrieved 2010-08-31

Please make note!

Regards, Ronald L. Hughes

96.19.158.71 (talk) 22:03, 27 June 2012 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes

Problem in design description

The article states "The TAR-21 is waterproof" What does that even mean, hahahaha, no conventional rifle or bull-pup rifle is "Water proof" lol, makes no sense at all. It then goes on to say The weapon has a built in laser and MARS red dot sight; one of the main advantages of having a built in system is that the weapon does not have to be zeroed after each use Again this statement doesn't make sense, it suggests that other firearms without such a system need to be re-zeroed after each use, this is entirely false, even with aftermarket sights such as the aimpoint, eotech, or acog, when replaced on the same slot of pcatinny rail, no re zero is necessary.

This section should be edited accordingly96.54.181.40 (talk) 21:01, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

IMI or IWI?

There are numerous references in this article to IMI and IWI. Are these typos, or are there really two separate entities. If there are, need clarification.