Talk:Faisalabad

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• Removed meaningless messages left by anonymous IP's.
• Redirected Faisalabad District to Faisalabad and Talk:Faisalabad District to Talk:Faisalabad. This is because the city and the district are now exactly the same entity. Green Giant 00:19, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

World Gazetteer populations of localities in Faisalabad area

• Faisalabad City: 2,582,175
• Chak Jhumra: 38,059
• Jaranwala: 122,044
• Sammundri: 68,528
• Tandlianwala: 38,864
• Dijkot: 28,093
• Khurianwala: 36,093
• Mamu Kanjan: 32,639

Lyallpur

So, having originally been named after the man who founded it, the city was renamed after a dead Saudi King who probably didn't even know it existed. Daft indeed, about as daft as naming the main cricket stadium in Lahore after Colonel Gaddafi (whose interest in the game is doubtful, to say the least). I wish Pakistan could take more pride in its own achievements rather than trying to flatter despotic middle-eastern leaders. Sikandarji 00:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

unexplained edit

On May 17 2006 someone changed the title of a sub-heading, without offering an explanation. The original title was Captures in "the War on Terror", which was changed simply to "events". I don't see how the new subheading is an improvement. Counter-terrorism officials executed a series of raids in Faisalabad on September 11 2002 - the anniversary of September 11, 2001 - arresting dozens of men, many of whom ended up being held in the Guantanamo Bay detainment camps. When that series of raids is described here it will make even more sense to restore the original subheading. Can anyone offer an explanation why the subheading should remain simply "events"? -- Geo Swan 12:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I think this Events paragraph is unnecessary and I am removing it. This article is about the city of Faisalabad and captures of a foreign terrorist suspect do not belong in it. I am also tired of everything about Pakistan being somehow tied to "war on terror". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.78.141 (talk • contribs) 03:13, 2006 July 5

I am sorry you are tired of Americans regarding "everything about Pakistan being somehow tied to the 'war on terror'."

Unfortunately, American intelligence officials seem to regard Faisalabad as a hotbed of jihadism, capturing dozens of suspects they shipped to Guantanamo. More specifically, they seem to regard Salafi University as a hotbed of jihadism. I think that is notable, even if the American intelligence officials bought in to an exagerrated story told by unscrupulous sources, or unscrupulous ISI officials. -- Geo Swan 01:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

purpose?

What is the purpose of this article?

In this edit an anonymous contributor excised the section on "Captures in 'the War on Terror'" with the edit summary:

"I omitted the section on the "war on terror". This is a page duscussing a great city of a fine nation. A prospective visitor wouldn't want to hear about how many terrorists have been captured there."

I think the anon contributors is mistaken. See WP:NOT.

• The purpose of articles on the wikipedia is not to make the subjects of the articles seem "great".
• The purpose of articles about cities on the wikipedia is not solely, or even mainly to serve as a promotional guide for prospective visitors. Knowing about how many terrorist suspects have been captured there should not be the sole, or main, purpose of the article. And it wasn't. I was only a section of the article.

So I am reinstating that section.

Cheers! -- Geo Swan 08:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Longitude

73 minutes ? Shyamal 09:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

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Unknown words

Does anyone know what "nawar" in Economy sections means? Probably something to do with textile industry.

Similarly, on Economy section we have crop items like raiya, toria, barseen and faalsa, all of which are unfamiliar to me. Quick googling didn't reveal anything useful. --Rayshade (talk) 14:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Charles James Lyall

This article contains utter nonsense regarding Charles James Lyall. He didn't found the place, the monument presumably is not in his name and, indeed, I doubt that he ever visited the place. Someone has been playing a very poor game of connections.

Charles James Lyall worked in the NW Provinces for about three years & then "Lyall was under-secretary to the revenue, agriculture, and commerce department of the government of India from 1873 until 1879. From 1880 until 1889 he was principally engaged as secretary to the chief commissioner of Assam. In August 1889 he was summoned to Calcutta to officiate as home secretary to the supreme government, in which post he was confirmed in 1890. In 1894 he returned briefly to Assam as acting chief commissioner and then in December 1895, after a year's furlough, took up the post of chief commissioner in the Central Provinces, where he remained until his retirement from the service in July 1898." This is per the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.

He died in London in 1920 & is buried in Putney Vale cemetery.

This is exactly what happens when people do not source their information. I'll leave it a few days in case someone wishes to contest this but, really, it is ludicrous. Lyallpur etc probably refers to a completely different Lyall, who was Lieutenant-Governor of Punjab, ie: James Broadwood Lyall.

I would appreciate it if someone local could grab hold of the inscription on the monument because it appears that the image file at Commons is also incorrectly labelled etc. - Sitush (talk) 09:32, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Sourcing

This article is likely to be pruned drastically unless people start to provide sources for the numerous statements that currently lack such things. Many are tagged as needing citations but in fact pretty much every statement that omits a source should in fact have one. There are enough people fiddling round the edges of the article who appear to have local knowledge etc and so, please, can someone get to grips with this? - Sitush (talk) 08:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Map image breaches policy & has been removed

There is currently a deletion discussion taking place at Commons regarding File:Map on Dialects Of Punjabi Language.jpg, which can be viewed here. Regardless of whether the map image is deleted at Commons, I think that it needs to be removed from all English Wikipedia articles because it breaches our synthesis policy. The image creator has provided a long list of sources in the deletion discussion and it is evident from those that none contain all of the information shown in the image, nor is it a simple task to work out which bits of information were gleaned from which source(s). We simply do not permit people to aggregate information in this way. It should also be noted that the chances are very high that the various sources did not even adopt the same methodology in compiling their data, which makes the analysis of the creator even more suspect.

I have removed the image because the Commons discussion may end up as something other than "delete" and yet the thing is still invalid on English Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 18:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Map was deleted on two reasons. 1... Commons deletion discussion but now Deletion request by Sitush has been rejected on Wikimedia Commons. 2... Sitush has a self perception that map is synthesis, which is actually not because it is based on latest research of 2007 in the Publication named 'The Indo-Aryan Languages' by George Cardona and Dhanesh Jain. So I am re inserting it. Unless Sitush prove it again as a synthesis and refer me the areas of map being synthesized also mentioning the different publications along with page numbers where from in his kind opinion I have synthesized the map.Maria0333 (talk) 08:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I refer you to File_talk:Map_on_Dialects_Of_Punjabi_Language.jpg where a centralised discussion has been opened. There is really no point in prolonging this particular thread when the issue affects a lot of articles, hence Orlady has taken the initiative of encouraging comment in one place. - Sitush (talk) 18:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

You are apparently not a local nor a linguist. That is why you cant understand the importance of individual Article's Talk page involved in the current scenario. For example there is a article on District Attock speaking a number of dialects Chachi , Jandali Ghebi and Majhi. Now only local could understand map whenever he visit the article and could use Talk page to discuss his own in put on the areas of districts where he dis agrees with map. So map is relevant for various districts and area's articles. It appears to me that most of editors who are trying to involve me to discussion on Dialects of Punjabi have no knowledge of language or its dialects instead they appear to me a Rote learner of WP rules. Some times lay man in a profession like linguistics could waste a lot of time of a linguist like me. I cant discuss with those who do not have any knowledge on the subject matter because they only cause headache just for sake of time passing on WP.