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Your idea sounds good; I figured it probably wasn't shell-tempered, or I would have linked the Mississippian pottery article. I know nothing about the production of pottery, or I'd be willing to help write an article about it.

Meanwhile, you should be getting your Fulton County KY photos after all. I have more time this week than any other, so I'm hoping to leave early Thursday and get back late Saturday; the extra day means that I'll have time to go farther south, so I'm looking to get some photos around Blytheville, Arkansas and travel northward along the eastern side of the Mississippi. Of course those three days are the only non-warm days according to this (but I have things scheduled at the start of each week, and I can't wait for the end of next week), but at least I won't have as many problems with inconvenient shadows. No time to go all the way down to Nodena, but Eaker is on my list (the air force base is now a municipal park), and I'm hoping to get Turk, Marshall, Twin Mounds, and Adams that day, and it's my goal to pick up Rowlandton when I go through Paducah on Saturday. Nyttend (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to say — I don't think I'll have time for Tolu, but could you please improve the coords? Right now, the coords at Tolu Site are identical to those of Tolu, Kentucky. Nyttend (talk) 22:33, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I downloaded Brady-Rawlins' dissertation some time ago (it's so rich, I didn't want to risk losing it to linkrot), and after checking the pages in question, I can confirm that she talks about Turpin-phase sites yielding shell-tempered pottery. I've changed the link as a result. Meanwhile, I remember you mentioning the trip to dedicate some floodwall murals. Where are those located? I know nothing about Paducah, and my photo spots are the only things I've marked on the map. Nyttend (talk) 22:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just back tonight from my trip. After leaving Paducah, I realised that I'd forgotten to get Rowlandton; I'm sorry. Fortunately, many of the trees still don't have many leaves, so you should be able to get a much better photo than the one from three years ago. I attempted to get to Twin Mounds, but the road I tried was temporarily out due to localised flooding; sunset was approaching, and Cairo's reputation made me unwilling to go through the city at night. Looks like taking the road west from Barlow (marked as Holloway Landing Road on this map) will be simple and shouldn't cause problems. Adams doesn't appear to be possible without a canoe or without landowner permission; it's far from any roads, and the only way you can get there is walking through the woods or paddling on the stream that marks its northern side. On the other hand, I got Marshall and Turk photos, as well as Campbell and Murphy in MO, Eaker in AR, the large Sassafras Ridge Site in southwestern Fulton County, Kentucky, and numerous unillustrated sites in Illinois such as the Dogtooth Bend site and the Orr-Herl village site that appear on File:Mississippian sites on Lower Ohio Map HRoe 2010.jpg. Kincaid surprised me, since all I'd seen was your photo, and from it I was expecting a group of small mounds a couple of feet high — nothing like what I saw. And yes, I got time to see the murals; thanks for telling me about them, because I might have ignored them otherwise. Nyttend (talk) 04:40, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Mound 72

On 9 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mound 72, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Mound 72 (pictured) at Cahokia in pre-Columbian western Illinois was the site of ritual human sacrifice, including a pit burial containing 53 young women? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mound 72. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Saucier

Hey, just with regards to the saucier article. Saucier is a position in a kitchen. It's the person with overall responsibility for sauce preparation. A saucière is a vessel used to hold and pour sauce at the table. Similar spelling, but completely different things. As saucière has its own article, I can't see any reason for including information on it in the saucier article, aside from the mention in the disambig at the top. 46.7.236.155 (talk) 22:13, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch - American Freedom Party

I figured most of those sites were "reliable sources for the purposes of reporting what <insert fringe group here> claims" but thanks for catching the "this site is complete junk" that I missed. polarscribe (talk) 04:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not too sure about Occidental Observer being considered a RS either, another racist hate rag that I'm sure has come up RSN before, just cant place where. He iro 05:04, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - don't want to see you get blocked over 3RR. I see you warned the other editor (I was about to). Hopefully no meat puppet or IP will get involved, but I'm watching the article. I've told the new account about the RSN discussion. Dougweller (talk) 06:53, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I stopped at two, they reached 4 against another editor, so I warned. The material, as it stands, is still in the article, but as you saw at RSN I dont believe it is reliably sourced. If it is decided it does not meet RSN, I'll let you or someone else remove it. He iro 06:56, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look, but you seem to have stopped at 3, not 2. Dougweller (talk) 07:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hopewellian sites on the Wabash

Hope all goes well with the mural rededication. Question for when you get back — I've just written an article on the Hubele Site in southeastern Illinois; where on the template should I put it? Some say that it's Havana Hopewell and others that it's Crab Orchard, and I'm not sure where it belongs. Nyttend (talk) 02:43, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like it was occupied long enough that it is possible it was both, not really sure. Maybe go with the most authoritative or the lastest most scientific? Although, per my uneducated speculation, it seems to sit pretty far to the east to be Havana, if it were me I'd probably go with Crab Orchard. I'll leave it up to you, as you've read the source material. He iro 16:31, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If the text says that it was inhabited long enough to be both, that's a problem with the text — some say that it's CO, some HH, but nobody says both. I put it on the template with Crab Orchard, partly because Mann was in that section, since the thesis putting it with Havana says that it might also be related to Mann. If you have any time tomorrow or Monday for mound photos, you'll have at least some sun, but as you've probably heard, the rivers are rising; Twin Mounds may be hard to reach for precisely that reason. Finally, if you go out to Rowlandtown, could you try to get a photo for me? There's a former National Register site at 37°5′28″N 88°37′59″W / 37.09111°N 88.63306°W (southwest corner of 13th and HC Mathis); because the NR's database had an odd address, my photo from last Saturday only shows a little bit of the site. It's one block south of Cairo Road and only about a quarter mile southeast of Rowlandtown. Nyttend (talk) 05:14, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fine to me. I'm no longer in KY, back in LA(I had t change my schedule a bit). I will be returning in June though and will be there a good bit of the summer, I can get the other pics then. He iro 15:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhat related to this: do you have information on Yankeetown, 12W1, a little east of Evansville IN? It's a pretty significant site, although the affiliation of the Yankeetown Phase appears to be disputed; some sources assume that it's Hopewell of various sorts (e.g. https://secure.in.gov/apps/dnr/shaard/r/80b7/N/Perry.pdf associates it with Crab Orchard), while others say that it's related to Angel, which is less than ten miles downstream. I'm asking because I have piles of information on it (so much that I'll have to leave out a lot of it because I don't have time for it all), much of which is in books that need to go back to the library. Nyttend (talk) 18:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen the name before (usually as the phase designation you mention), but know nothing about the site itself. I've been busy IRL so haven't been here much, except for some occasional vandal rvting. And it's prolly not going to let up for at least the next month or 6 wks. Would be interested in seeing the article if you want to start it. But I wouldn't be much help, don't remember running across any info on it. He iro 22:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep checking back; I'm done with the contents and just need to get the details (infobox, categories, etc) taken care of. Turns out I remembered wrongly, because rather than being of disputed affiliation, it's multi-component: Crab Orchard through Mississippian. Nyttend (talk) 22:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind looking into the below section? I've gotta go and this guy seems persistent, trying to avoid an EW over this, but he's adding new agey nonsense sourced to a book I serious doubt would be considered WP:RELIABLE by anyone. He iro 22:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article complete except for adding appropriate navboxes. I've left the guy a message regarding grandmothers as WP:RS and will pay attention to the situation. Nyttend (talk) 00:50, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at my talk to your message; thanks. Since you're online, would you mind visiting the CFD for Category:Type sites? Your input would be quite valuable. Nyttend (talk) 04:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Added my opinion, for what it's worth. Relatively neutral on the matter. It might be nice to have a group or list of all type sites in one place, but for what it could ever be useful for I have no clue, lol. Cheers, signing off and going back to actual work now, lol. Hope your well, He iro 05:16, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please... TB article this is my religion ..

You can read the book if you like; these are the essential details that come from a tribal council. Please let the edits go through and undo the wikipedia-cop. I've tried to edit this multiple times with very limited technological means... PLEASE let it go through! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.0.83.116 (talk) 22:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Take your source and what you are trying to insert to the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. It doesn't sound like a WP:RELIABLE source for this information to me. If you disagree take it to the noticeboard and ask for other opinions. He iro 22:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi fellow, can you read me here? Page reference 126... this book is really very important tribal wisdom to new-age thinkers. The information is well-referenced, I believe. And from the book. Please, let this stay up for the folks, I don't believe in religious censorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.0.83.116 (talk) 22:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey fella, feel me, read our policies on WP:FRINGE, WP:UNDUE and WP:RELIABLE. :-) He iro 22:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, nicely played... I am on a collective computer so please don't escalate. Finally, I will try again another time I have to go, but do not be a wikipedia cop, please this information really needs to be up there and the Grandmothers are the, hope our culture's got. The article's incomplete without the information from the book... Don't be a cop. EM Che. http://www.amazon.com/Grandmothers-Counsel-World-Elders-Vision/dp/1590302931

No. This will not be inserted again, if you edit war over it, I will take it to the 3RR board to have admins decide whether or not to block your IP for it. It does not pass the relevant policies I pointed out to you. He iro 22:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great Herds of Birds

.... as my wife would say. Yeah, the grandmother's council not going on my shelf of important ethnographic reference works. Mangoe (talk) 15:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bwahahaha, good one. He iro 15:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, she probably would keep it as an important ethnographic reference work. Matriarchy, not one dominated by two males. ^^ gotcha, EM Che (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ridgetop

I'm going to try and hunt online sources, There was supposed to been some AIM and Shawnee of Deleware writings about the same things, I'll have to try and dig up and see if the sources are online anywhere. If I find them I'll post in this section here and let you see so there not alot of edits on the ridgetop page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.8.174.223 (talk) 21:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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 .... as my wife would say. Yeah, the grandmother's council not going on my shelf of important ethnographic reference works. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 15:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 :Bwahahaha, good one. [[User:Heironymous Rowe|'''<span style="color:White;background:darkBlue">He</span>''']][[User talk:Heironymous Rowe|'''<span style="color:darkBlue">iro'''</span>]] 15:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
+Actually, she probably would keep it as an important ethnographic reference work. Matriarchy, not one dominated by two males. ^^ gotcha, [[User:EM Che|EM Che]] ([[User talk:EM Che|talk]]) 18:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
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