Talk:4711

Johann Maria Farina

that Johann Maria Farina created 4711 is just a myth and there are no sources. the german wiki says that the myth goes like this: "some say that Wilhelm Mülhens got the recipe in the year 1792 from Franz Maria Carl Gereon Farina, a monk, as a present at his wedding. but that we only know that Wilhelm Mülhens lived in cologne since 1797 and that he started making 'cologne water' since 1799." so why does the english wikipedia say it's a fact and gives credit to Farina. shouldn't we take myths with a grain of salt? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.254.22.162 (talk) 15:10, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

the name of S-4711 In Zamyatin's We

Just a note. In Zamyatin's We, One of the characters is named S-4711... Some say it's an allusion to the cologne. Care to verify? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.104.60.87 (talk • contribs) 02:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

This article seems to be saying that there is. I have added a note to the article. --Jtir 14:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

JSTOR: Three Russian Writers and the Irrational: Zamyatin, Pil ...
Three Russian Writers and the Irrational: Zamyatin, Pil'nyak, and Bulgakov ...
Zamiatin borrowed the number for S- from 4711 Eau de Co- logne to illustrate ...

history of 4711

1792 - the birth of an international brand

In 1792 a Carthusian monk presented the newly-married Mulhens couple a seemingly modest wedding present. But this gift affected their future like no other; as it contained: The secret formula for an "aqua mirabilis", an invigorating medicinal "miracle water" later called "Eau de Cologne". Wilhelm Mulhens quickly recognised the value of this formula and soon after started to build a small factory in the street "Glockengasse" in Cologne.

In 1794, during the period of French occupation in Cologne, the French commander ordered consecutive numbering for all houses. The Mulhens building on "Glockengasse", where "Eau de Cologne" was produced, received the housenumber 4711. In 1875 this number became the registered trademark for the international brand 4711 ORIGINAL EAU DE COLOGNE.

4711 Eau de Cologne. Citrus with traces of rosemary and lavender, a spicy etheral scent for both men and women. Considered a unisex cologne.

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The above text is historical wrong. The story with the monk was invented after 1945. 213.168.95.158 10:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Rocky Horror

4711 is also the tattoo that can be seen on Dr. Frank N. Furter's leg in Rocky Horror picture show. Just thought I would add that to the discussion :) --TheReverendDoom 17:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

use of "4711" by software engineers

[Copied from User talk:Neelvk]. --Jtir 21:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, do you have a verifiable source that describes the use of "4711" by software engineers? --Jtir 08:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, when I was working in Frankfurt, Germany as a software engineer in 1992 and 1993, I saw many instances of such usage. When I asked around, I was told that this was very common behavior, akin to using 69 or 105 (69 in octal) in US. I don't know if this qualifies as verifiable source...

Neelvk 00:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the additional background. A verifiable source is one that can be cited in the article to allow another editor to verify the text of the article. Using google.com and books.google.com, I have found several examples of the use of "4711" in a SW context, including the first one, which references the perfume. It seems to be used in the same way that "foo" and "bar" are used. --Jtir 22:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• Computer Viruses and Anti-Virus Warfare By Jan Hruska "... unless the answer is 4711 (name of a perfume)."
• State of the Art in Applied Cryptography "... the exclusion of trivial values such as "0000", "123456", "4711", "0815" or ..."
• Software Architectures: Advances and Applications "Business entities like account 4711, customer Jones, account 007, customer Smith are ..."
• The point of the crash usually looks something like this "function+0x4711".
• SELECT @err = @@error + coalesce(@err, 4711)
• The information on PIN 4711 must not leave Bob‘s computer.
• %attr(4711,root,root) %{_libexecdir}/ssh-keysign
• Why isn't "dash" a "wordchar", in, for example, "set abc-def 4711 ;
• CS 4711 Intro to Software Engineering (0-3-0) s 3

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

4-7-11

The pronunciation was changed some time ago by an un-named contributor. I can see no evidence for this change, in fact all the searches seem to confirm the four-seven-eleven version, in fact, and I understand that this is original research, all the TV and cinema advertisements of the 60s and 70s use this, as do the current owners of the brand. On further research, Irish and Australian marketing seems to have used the same pronunciation. I have reverted the un-named edit to reflect this.Splodgeness (talk) 12:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I have heard only the pronunciation four-seven-eleven in British English. Forty-seven eleven appears to be a literal translation of the German. Edwin Greenwood (talk) 09:51, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

1 Peter 4:7-11

7The end of all things is near; therefore be serious and discipline yourselves for the sake of your prayers. 8Above all, maintain constant love for one another, for love covers a multitude of sins. 9Be hospitable to one another without complaining.... 10Like good stewards of the manifold grace of God, serve one another with whatever gift each of you has received. 11Whoever speaks must do so as one speaking the very words of God; whoever serves must do so with the strength that God supplies, so that God may be glorified in all things through Jesus Christ. To him belong the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen.

Food for thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.162.78.66 (talk) 04:56, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

4711 → 4711 (brand) – Why 36.83.125.206 (talk) 08:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

If you are asking why that implies that you are not supporting the movr. Unless I am missing something this should be closed unlesd you or someone else offers a rational.--70.49.82.207 (talk) 04:05, 13 August 2013 (UTC)