Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 September 23

September 23

Template:Conflicts in Romania and Moldova

Template:Conflicts in Romania and Moldova (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Strange combination of social unrest and wars in two different countries bundled in one template. The Banner talk 21:00, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:TajikPersian

Template:TajikPersian (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No benefit over {{lang-tg}}/{{lang-fa}}. — Lfdder (talk) 17:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Transliteration scheme side boxes

Template:Malayalam transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Tamil transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Tulu transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

We don't need a whole box to tell people what kind of translit scheme we're using. Just like with languages, preface the first translit in the article with the wikilink to it, and people will get it. — Lfdder (talk) 17:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Panachaiki sections

Template:Panachaiki sections (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Further to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 September 16#Template:Panionios sections - this template only has one blue-link, and it is unlikely that the other red-links will ever be independently notable from the sports club they are departments of. It therefore serves no purpose as a navbox. GiantSnowman 16:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• delete handled by the see also section and standard article links. Frietjes (talk) 16:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox cultural center

Template:Infobox cultural center (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use on Centro Cultural de Ponce Carmen Solá de Pereira, can be replaced by Template:Infobox organization. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• delete or redirect, was replaced here. Frietjes (talk) 23:15, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox landslide

Template:Infobox landslide (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use on 1996 Yosemite Valley landslide, it shares all parameters with Template:Infobox news event (which is used for all kinds of disasters), except for debris_weight and fall_speed, which could be added to that template, either directly or as blank fields. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• it was created to solve this problem, but go ahead and convert it to use another infobox. Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Ukrainian oblast divisions

Template:Infobox Ukrainian oblast divisions (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Used only on Administrative divisions of Khmelnytskyi Oblast, it duplicates much of the information available on Khmelnytskyi Oblast so it could be deleted without replacement. If necessary, the number of cities and villages could be displayed in a table. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• delete after replacing with a simple table. Frietjes (talk) 23:16, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Texas regional council

Template:Infobox Texas regional council (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Created in April and used on 24 articles, it could be replaced with Template:Infobox settlement. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• it was created to solve this problem. I would like to see a demonstration of the conversion to {{infobox settlement}} first, since it's not clear how the multiple historical population numbers would be supported. Frietjes (talk) 14:45, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to use only the most recent population figures? In other cases Template:Historical populations is used for that purpose, but since those articles are nearly all stubs it might be excessive to add a separate template for 2 or 3 population figures. If that option doesn't convince you, it could be moved to a more generic name, and used for all articles that require more than one population figure for the same place.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 23:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Seetal railway line

Template:Seetal railway line (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use on Seetal railway line, should be substituted and deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:27, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• Then do it. The template can be then speedily deleted per WP:CSD#T3. As can be most of your today's nominations, actually. Keφr 10:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

CSD T3 takes at least a week, a TfD might actually be faster for these templates. And there is always the possibility that someone might object.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 11:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

So does a TfD, except in rare cases of WP:SNOW keeps. And a user can still object by removing the speedy tag, or better, by invalidating the criterion. Keφr 11:53, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• Comment. Until May this year, the template contained just the expandable route diagram, transcluded from within an Infobox in the article. This is a fairly standard situation for railway line articles. Then, for some reason and without explanation, an editor moved the infobox into the template. So should we revert to the pre-May situation, or should we substitute the lot (including the expandable line diagram). Personally I'd vote for the latter, apart from the fact that I've tried it several times (on other articles) but never managed to get it to render the infobox correctly. If you can, great. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 11:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
  • I merged it into the article before seeing your comment. Is that what you had in mind? — Lfdder (talk) 12:34, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
    • Exactly what I had in mind. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 12:57, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Keep. Route diagrams should be in their own templates so that it is not necessary to edit an entire article just to make a small change on the diagram. Useddenim (talk) 04:13, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Comment. I had put the infobox into this diagram because I was encountering a formatting error. This has now been fixed, and the original, correct configuration (infobox on article page, RDT transcluded into infobox) has now been restored. Useddenim (talk) 04:13, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

• Keep. It is perfectly normal to have the code for a RDT kept out of a railway line article and in many cases it is also used in related stations. Secondarywaltz (talk)
  • Keep. Secondarywaltz is correct. There are more than 1,000 rail route diagram templates similar to this one, and they all fulfil the useful and desirable purpose Useddenim describes. Bahnfrend (talk) 05:04, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox op1

Template:Infobox op1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only use in userspace, if really necessary OP-1 could use Template:Infobox synthesizer for his user page. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• User:OP-1 Synth reads like an article in userspace. — Lfdder (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox television bowling

Template:Infobox television bowling (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Used only for Bowling Revolution P-League, rather than fork Template:Infobox television it would be better to use a simple floating table to add any additional information. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

The reason why I created this template just for this article is that, unlike other television series, this show has been moved around three times. None of the other templates allow me to show all three time slots, and the dates/episode numbers for each of them. I'm not a template expert, so unless someone can modify Template:Infobox television... BTW, this template was copied from the Japanese Wikipedia, and the Japanese version of Bowling Revolution P-League uses it. Groink (talk) 19:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Script/Greek

Template:Script/Greek (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Purely stylistic (there isn't a modern OS without support for Greek characters) and overwrites user fonts when used inside {{lang}}. — Lfdder (talk) 10:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

On my browser, I found the default font used to display Greek was not very legible. For example α looks rather too much like the letter a on my browser, but α looks better. I now use {{Polytonic}} instead since that seems like a standard thing, but now that I look this seems to be zero improvement over using no template at all, at least for

α. I go for the "mostpeople" solution. user fonts are kind of exotic. Can you fix it so user fonts are not ignored? My usage is completely for ancient Greek rather than modern Greek. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 14:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Polytonic was deprecated last year; you shouldn't be using it. Either way, polytonic transcludes {lang|grc| ... } (the template that's replaced it); {lang|grc} sets the HTML lang attribute for text you throw at it to "grc", and nothing else. This means that you can use :lang(grc) in your user style sheet to change the font for everything that's grc-tagged to one you like, with no effect for other people, like so:

   :lang(grc) {
       font-family: "DejaVu Sans", sans-serif;
   }

In general, you should not make other people's font choices for them -- that is, unless they'd otherwise not be able to view text in that script, like with Cuneiform. — Lfdder (talk) 15:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

And, for the record, I think the default font (Arial for me) is perfectly legible, and I like to see Latin and Greek in the same font. — Lfdder (talk) 15:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Oregon Trail Memorial half dollar

Template:Infobox Oregon Trail Memorial half dollar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The template's talk page says it was created "to provide custom image headings for a coin, Oregon Trail Memorial half dollar, whose obverse/reverse designation is ambiguous." It would be better to change Template:Infobox coin to accommodate the article's requirements, but if this is not possible it should be substituted and deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:19, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• replace with {{infobox coin}}, but add a feature to that infobox which will allow for custom Obverse and Reverse headings. Frietjes (talk) 15:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Merge As the author of the FA, Oregon Trail Memorial half dollar, I need the template or something that will do the same trick, as which side is obverse (heads) and which reverse (tails) is a matter of dispute. Note the discussion on article talk page. Please do not delete it without a replacement or something that does the same trick. If you go ahead and delete and no one changes infobox coin, I shall be royally pissed.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox coin 2

Template:Infobox coin 2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not sure why this is needed when there is a Template:Infobox coin 1, but it's used on only 10 articles. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:17, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

merge with {{infobox coin}}, looks like there may be a couple missing parameters, but nothing that merging could not fix. Frietjes (talk) 23:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Merge or delete per Frietjes. As someone who works with coin articles quite a bit, I don't see that this template is useful. If there are any good ideas, incorporate them into infobox coin.

Template:Infobox motorsport round

Template:Infobox motorsport round (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

It could probably be replaced by Template:Infobox motorsport championship. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• Comment the template documentation is broken. Template:Infobox motorsport round/doc points to Template:Infobox motorsport round/doc/doc which points to Template:Infobox motorsport round/doc/doc/doc. I've nominated the two broken doc pages for DB-test deletion. Someone would need to move Template:Infobox motorsport round/doc/doc/doc to just Template:Infobox motorsport round/doc. -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 05:01, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
• Comment "championship" is for an entire season, this is for a particular race. -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 05:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
• Clear and replace Genericize from {{Infobox GP2 round report}} & {{Infobox Grand Prix race report}} & {{Infobox Indy500}} & {{Infobox Daytona 500}} instead. {{Infobox Motorsport report}} should go to the same place as "round" ; we need a generic motorsport round/race report template. -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 05:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Assassins

Template:Assassins (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not a template, should be either userified, moved to mainspace or deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

move to Assassins (band) and send to AfD, or delete per {{db-band}} if the lack of notability is clear. Frietjes (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• Sandbox per nom, clearly an article sitting in templatespace. -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 04:53, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox ATS

Template:Infobox ATS (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused and in any case redundant to Template:Infobox organization. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:07, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• delete redundant to {{infobox organization}} or {{infobox non-profit}}. Frietjes (talk) 23:24, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
• Delete per nom -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 05:16, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Yogasana

Template:Infobox Yogasana (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use, should be subst'ed and deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:05, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox film actor

Template:Infobox film actor (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Infobox actor works for all kinds of actors. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:04, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• redirect to {{infobox person}}. Frietjes (talk) 15:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox artist module

Template:Infobox artist module (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Possibly a fork of Template:Infobox artist, used only on Lukas Pawlikowski. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:02, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• delete as a fork of {{infobox musical artist}}, which already has |embed= for using it as a module. I replaced it in the article. Frietjes (talk) 15:24, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox wikiproject software

Template:Infobox wikiproject software (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, and there is already a Template:Infobox software anyway. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:00, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• Speedy delete per WP:CSD#T3. Though I think this one is meant for user scripts; but anyway, Template:Infobox user script exists already. Keφr 10:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
• Speedy keep This one is a work still in progress to combine Template:Infobox software and Template:Infobox user script for use by WikiProjects, userscripts, and gadgets. Technical 13 (talk) 11:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
  • You are misusing the WP:Speedy keep clause here. Keφr 11:48, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
    • How is saying that I think it should be speedily kept because this is unquestionably an attempt to cause disruption in the creation of a new template for use on various WikiProjects I am involved in, misuse? Technical 13 (talk) 12:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
      • Because it is not "unquestionably an attempt to cause disruption". Please see WP:AGF, WP:AAGF and WP:AAAGF. And WP:AAGFAAGF. (That is, dispute actions, not intent. Usually. Because sometimes you cannot tell whether there is any intent at all.) Keφr 13:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
• speedy keep, author says it's WIP. Though perhaps a template for use in Wikipedia and User pages should be moved to another space. Accusation that this is "unquestionably an attempt to cause disruption" seems rash to me. — Lfdder (talk) 12:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
  • It has been a "WIP" for nearly a month now. Single edit, and not a single transclusion. I think it is not unreasonable to assume that it has been abandoned. And Template:Infobox user script already exists and found some use. Why not just use that, while expanding it as necessity dictates? Keφr 13:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
    • I'm the creator, I'm saying its not abandoned, and deleting it on the basis of It has been a "WIP" for nearly a month now. is a violation of NODEADLINE. {{Infobox user script}} wouldn't apply to gadgets, toolserver/labs tools, and other programs like SNUGGLE, AWB, IGLOO, etc. Technical 13 (talk) 13:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
    • A month isn't that long a time. The author might've been caught up in other things. Give it another month and if nothing is done on it and it's not used anywhere we can delete or userfy. NODEADLINE is an essay (not guideline or policy) with articles in mind. — Lfdder (talk) 13:37, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
      • According to people who agreed on making WP:CSD#T3 a deletion criterion, a week is enough time. And I still think this is redundant to a template which already found some use (moderate, I acknowledge, and mostly by me, but nevertheless). That template could be renamed to something like {{infobox editing tool}} and expanded as necessary just as well. We have enough NIH syndrome in templates already. Keφr 13:58, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
        • T3 says they can be deleted after being tagged for a week, not how long they must be orphaned for for T3 to apply. Which template are you referring to? — Lfdder (talk) 14:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
          • Template:Infobox user script. But if the T3 criterion stops applying during that period, the speedy deletion claim becomes invalid. So it boils down pretty much to the same thing. Keφr 14:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
            • Yes, "wikiproject software" seems overly specific. Actually, is that Wikipedia:WikiProject Software, or is it for software made by/for wikiprojects? T3 is a bit of a basket CSD; the week is just the time given to react to it. T3 should apply the moment a tpl is tagged with it, and not after 7 days. — Lfdder (talk) 15:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
              • I am somewhat sympathetic to the proposal, but this is not the forum to discuss it. See WT:CSD. There are a few discussions there already, though… Keφr 15:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
• Userfy as it is under construction, but hasn't been worked on for a month, it needn't sit in TemplateSpace, and should not sit in template space, as it hasn't been worked on much at all. -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 05:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox equestrian championship

Template:Infobox equestrian championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Either this or Template:Infobox Equestrian Championships should be deleted, and perhaps they could both be replaced by a more generic infobox. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Speedy delete Template:Infobox equestrian championship; but Speedy Keep Template:Infobox Equestrian Championships - I agree there is no need for both, and the latter is clearly better put together. I don't agree on a generic infobox; I think there is sufficient structure and similarity to equestrian competitions, whether stand alone or multievent, different from other generic sports competitions, to justify a separate infobox.

It provides a useful summary in table form of salient points that someone looking at an equestrian comp page would like to know, espially thinhs like horse and riders. As a general rule, generic sports infoboxes rarely allow for enough 'specialist' or event specific information specific to that sport, unless the sports follow a very broadly similar structure - say all the various football or rugby codes, or various martial arts codes.

I can imagine an infobox for, say, motor sport or sailing or even cycling - any events involving races for individuals and teams by means of propulsion other than simply the athlete - might contain some usefully similar functionality, but building a generic box in such a way risks losing more than you gain.

Mpjmcevoybeta (talk) 11:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox electric racing car

Template:Infobox electric racing car (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fork of Template:Infobox racing car. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Confederation of Indian Industry

Template:Infobox Confederation of Indian Industry (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The only article on which it appears should use Template:Infobox organization. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Suresh Apex Bhandari

Template:Suresh Apex Bhandari (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

User:Suresh Apex Bhandari could use Template:Infobox user for his user page instead. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox biathlete

Template:Infobox biathlete (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template was deleted as redundant to Template:Infobox sportsperson but recreated three days ago. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:50, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• redirect to Template:Infobox sportsperson. Frietjes (talk) 15:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
  • I created it, because the template I previously used (Template:Infobox alpine ski racer) in articles such as Magdalena Neuner and Miriam Gössner could no longer be used for biathletes, because the title "alpine ski racer" was added. However the basic design is useful for other winter sports including biathlon, and is superior (and in no way redundant) to Template:Infobox sportsperson. EnemyOfTheState_|talk 20:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Timeline of marijuana decriminalization in US

Template:Timeline of marijuana decriminalization in US (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:36, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Delete per nominator....William 12:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Mohit Kumar yadav = Infobox

Not sure what this is about, but it's unused and it should probably be deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• speedy delete Frietjes (talk) 23:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:2007 Indiana Fever depth chart

Template:2007 Indiana Fever depth chart (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only ever used on one page. subst and delete. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• merge with article, then delete. Frietjes (talk) 23:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:2008 Indiana Fever depth chart

Template:2008 Indiana Fever depth chart (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only ever used on one page. subst and delete. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:31, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

• merge with article, then delete. Frietjes (talk) 23:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)