Talk:Jack Schlossberg

Notability

I don't see anything in the article that demonstrates notability aside from being JFK's grandson, which doesn't really count. Yale newspaper contributor? Nope. Training to become an EMT? Nope. Intends to possibly enter politics? Not until he actually does so. The ReLight project? Laudable, but no. Plenty of schoolchildren do good deeds - it's the type of thing that is usually mentioned in an "and finally" item on the 11 o'clock news, not in an encyclopedia. I don't think there's enough meat here. --Bongwarrior (talk) 00:26, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree. He does not come close to meeting the criteria stated at WP:ANYBIO. --Crunch (talk) 20:29, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Jewish Category

Not sure what's causing a problem with this:

• Category:American people of Ukrainian-Jewish descent

His father is of Jewish Ukrainian descent. We have a category for that. Regardless if John currently identifies as a practicing Jew, he is of Jewish descent. Regardless if someone considers Jewish to mean religion or ethnicity, he is of Jewish descent. The category does not say John is Jewish, it says he is of Jewish descent. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 17:37, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

On the contrary, the only way one can be of "Jewish descent" is if one has ancestors from a Middle Eastern country like Israel or Jerusalem where Judaism is the most prominent religion. In those particular instances, one would ethnically be an Isrealite or Jerusalemite. Many Jews have no Middle Eastern ancestors, including converts. Ed's grandparents were from Ukraine, not the Middle East.174.252.34.230 (talk) 18:15, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I left a post at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism#Jewish_descent.3F. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 19:18, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

The problem with this argument is that until the late 19th century, there were hardly any Jews in the Middle East, most were in Europe (and around the world). The Jews have always maintained a distinct ethnic and religious identity regardless of their physical location, indeed it is an element of the Jewish identity called the Jewish diaspora. It makes no historical or common sense to argue only Jews from certain countries can claim Jewish descent. Furthermore the category under question has been well established and if you believe it shouldn't exist then you should take that to CfD, and not try to make a point by deleting individual cases like this one. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 19:31, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Not exactly what I meant..... Judaism has historically been prominent in the Middle East (think Biblical times). "Jewish descent" is an incorrect description- that would also mean all Christians have a common ethnicity (Christianity came from Judaism). I know many Jews with different backgrounds, many of which have no common ethnicity. Christisns of course are of all types of sthnicities (mang not sharing any common ethnic background). There are also those who convert to Judaism and/or Christianity. A few of my cousins are Jewish, and one of them brought up at his Bar Mitzvah that the only thing that separates Judaism from Christianity is their disagreement over whether or not Jesus (a Jew himself) was the Messiah/savior. The religion can indeed be found in just about every country, though the most prominent is Isreal.