Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 November 23

23 November 2013

Pindos (Russian slang)

Pindos (Russian slang) (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Allow recreation There was only one vote for delete in the AfD. This term is indeed a very notable Russian slang term. There are many sources listed in the Russian Wikipedia: [1] 71.191.189.195 (talk) 22:29, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

• I'm afraid that my Russian has deteriorated to the point that I can't follow the article as well as I would like. Please can you identify which of the sources mentioned are substantive content that meets our sourcing requirements. Thanks. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:40, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
• Keep deleted pending the provision of substantive sources. Stifle (talk) 14:53, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

File:Icarly-logo-2.png

File:Icarly-logo-2.png (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (article|restore)

I'm a little concerned about the SVG file (File:Icarly logo.svg) of the iCarly logo. The logo is unfree, and SVG is more superior than the PNG. I tried to request undeletion of the inferior PNG just to avoid infringement of the image's original use and original quality. However, it was rejected, so I'm requesting consensus here. If the format is irrelevant, then is avoiding copyright infringement less important than image quality? George Ho (talk) 21:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Reverse - The PNG logo should be used in place of a user-made SVG logo. If this was a logo pulled digitally from documentation from the copyright holder, then using the SVG version is generally accepted, but this is clearly stated as a user-made recreation of the logo, and as a non-free image, an SVG is not allowed in this scenario (tiny errors, etc.). The SVG needs to be deleted and the PNG restored. --MASEM (t) 22:49, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

• Comment The refusal was here and the preceding discussion was here. My understanding is that, because SVG images are scalable to large dimensions without loss of quality, some think it is (normally) an unsuitable format for non-free images which WP:NFCC guidance says are to be of low resolution[2] because WP:NFC policy requires us to respect commercial opportunities[3] and minimal extent of use.[4] I don't think any non-SVG policy/guidance is documented. Anyway, there are problems. Thincat (talk) 23:13, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

The important thing here is to give a true representation of the logo so as not to tarnish the reputation of the trademark holder. Some of the fair use criteria go against what the purpose of the logo is for. The copyright holder does not want to minimize use or have low quality copies. The issue of resolution in nonfree images when it comes to svg files is how much information or detail is in the file. In this case there is not much. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:31, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I completely respect the true representation part, and that's justification for using an SVG that is pulled automatically from digital documents from the copyright/trademark owner. This is not (the uploader specifically cited it as their work). However close it may be to the actual logo, that's not true representation; a PNG pulled from the show's website is better than an SVG made by a user (and then we have to add in derivative work copyright issues). This is why SVGs are strongly discouraged for NFC. --MASEM (t) 02:26, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't see how reduced quality may infringe trademark use. Care to explain? George Ho (talk) 09:47, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Abraham modal haplotype

Abraham modal haplotype (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Let's give it another chasnce, for I need to add issn and oclc numbers to main source (klyosov 2011), my use of doi (more authorative for scientists, showed it in prepublication nature proceedigs, but issn/oclc show it in a published journal available in 100s of libraries as a paper document) also the same to other all articles showing they are available in tens of university libraries (in paper not just edocumet) and still being sold by mail order, plus to add more studies/sources of same topic that are referencing the main sources. I was not aware of 7 days limit of discussion and days wasted in wild goose chase because the other partyies did not specifiy which part of notability they allude to. article is essential for genetic diseases studies for many diseases are race specific and paternal line, even y-chromosome.the page perfectly meets notability wiki policy guidelines, my posts in the discussion were in adherence to notability/reliable sources: primary source?secondary source, while other editors like user-agricolae were stonewalling/word play and making arguments outside the notability guideline of which the page nominated for deletion for deletion in the first place.I contacted administrator coffee but no response. The article is important for Arabs and i would appreciate serious adminstration review of discussionViibird (talk) 02:22, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

• Uphold decision There was a clear consensus to delete. And despite huge walls of text and attempts at wikilawyering by Viibird, no cohesive argument to keep was presented. --Randykitty (talk) 09:47, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
• Endorse - nothing to suggest the deletion discussion or close were invalid. Nominator is encouraged to drop his stick and read up on Wikipedia guidelines and policies before trying again. Stalwart111 12:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
• Overturn (no need to nominate and !vote - we understand your view) - Let's give it another chasnce, for I need to add issn and oclc numbers to main source (klyosov 2011), my use of doi (more authorative for scientists, showed it in prepublication nature proceedigs, but issn/oclc show it in a published journal available in 100s of libraries as a paper document) also the same to other all articles showing they are available in tens of university libraries (in paper not just edocumet) and still being sold by mail order, plus to add more studies/sources of same topic that are referencing the main sources. I was not aware of 7 days limit of discussion and days wasted in wild goose chase because the other partyies did not specifiy which part of notability they allude to. article is essential for genetic diseases studies for many diseases are race specific and paternal line, even y-chromosome linkedViibird (talk) 17:15, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
• Endorse. Out of scope, per item 5 of "Deletion review should not be used" at the top of the page. Stifle (talk) 14:57, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Galilee modal haplotype

Galilee modal haplotype (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

the page perfectly meets notability wiki policy guidelines, my posts in the discussion were in adherence to notability/reliable sources: primary source?secondary source, while editor agricolae was stonewalling and making arguments outside the notability guideline of which he nominated the page for deletion in the first place Viibird (talk) 02:15, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

• Uphold decision Basically the same as the one above. Viibird is encouraged to get more acquainted with our notability standards and to stop creating pages on non-notable subjects and creating unnecessary DRVs. --Randykitty (talk) 09:55, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
• Endorse - as above, nothing to suggest the deletion discussion or close were invalid. Nominator is encouraged to drop his stick and read up on Wikipedia guidelines and policies before trying again. Stalwart111 12:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
• Overturn (no need to nominate and !vote - we understand your view) Even though I don't have BA degree in English, I have MD degree among others (the field of article), and I managed to study extensively the great wiki-Notabiblity guidelines, to see the article clearly fit the guidelines. The sources in the article are clearly not Primary but secondary and tertiary (one to be added). The article is important scientifically for Arab ancestry and scientists tangling the issues of genetic diseases of Arabs.Viibird (talk) 17:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

You may have studied them but you don't seem to have understood them, nor the concept of WP:CONSENSUS. You'll not get far by ignoring the views of others. Stalwart111 21:03, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I was talking about Notability guidelines policy of wiki policy, and you are talking about consensus of the discussion! ( is consensus of discussion part of notability guidelines of wiki? the consensus was one wiki user to 1. Is that a consensus of the scentific community? because the scientific community have consensus that galilee modal haplotype credible according to the several studies sited in the article. so 2 perons beat the scientific community? consensus of deletion discussion is not part of notability wiki guidelinesViibird (talk) 22:01, 24 November 2013 (UTC) I noticed this at top "