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Zhuangzi (book) is currently a Language and literature good article nominee. Nominated by White Whirlwind 咨 at 05:07, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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Content

Hello everybody, I have just finished reading this one and would like to add the content (a list of chapters). Perhaps somebody has weighed this idea before and decided against it (since it is not on the page, whereas for many philosophers a list of works is present). I would like to know why not. If I hear nothing or encouragement I will add the following:

Book I. Enjoyment in Untroubled Ease

Book 2. The Adjustment of Controversies

Book 3. Nourishing the Lord of Life

Book 4. Man in the World, Associated with other Men

Book 5. The Seal of Virtue Complete

Book 6. The Great and Most Honoured Master

Book 7. The Normal Course for Rulers and Kings

Book 8. Webbed Toes

Book 9. Horse's Hooves

Book 10. Cutting Open Satchels

Book 11. Letting Be, and Exercising Forbearance

Book 12. Heaven and Earth

Book 13. The Way of Heaven

Book 14. The Revolution of Heaven

Book 15. Ingrained Ideas

Book 16. Correcting the Nature

Book 17. The Floods of Autumn

Book 18. Perfect Enjoyment

Book 19. The Full Understanding of Life

Book 20. The Tree on the Mountain

Book 21. Thien Tsze-fang

Book 22. Knowledge Rambling in the North

Book 23. Kang-sang Khû

Book 24. Hsü Wû-kwei

Book 25. Tseh-yang

Book 26. What Comes from Without

Book 27. Metaphorical Language

Book 28. Kings who have wished to resign the Throne

Book 29. The Robber Kih

Book 30. Delight in the Sword Fight

Book 31. The Old Fisherman

Book 32. Lieh Yü-khâu

Book 33. Historical Phases of Tâoist Teaching

There are many sources, but I think this is the complete one. Some references:

http://nothingistic.org/library/chuangtzu/

http://chinese.dsturgeon.net/text.pl?node=2712&if=en

Let me know what you think. --Faust (talk) 09:18, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea! But I think it would be best to add the original Chinese chapter titles as well as English translations, given how translating from Chinese (especially Old Chinese) is a complicated matter resolved differently in different translations. Also, maybe it would be good to separate the Inner and Outer chapters in the list. --Jashiin (talk) 10:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it seems you like the second source. I will copy/paste it below. If there will be no negatives I will add it in a few days.

莊子 - Zhuangzi

內篇 - Inner Chapters

逍遙遊 - Enjoyment in Untroubled Ease

齊物論 - The Adjustment of Controversies

養生主 - Nourishing the Lord of Life

人間世 - Man in the World, Associated with other Men

德充符 - The Seal of Virtue Complete

大宗師 - The Great and Most Honoured Master

應帝王 - The Normal Course for Rulers and Kings

外篇 - Outer Chapters

駢拇 - Webbed Toes

馬蹄 - Horses's Hoofs

胠篋 - Cutting open Satchels

在宥 - Letting Be, and Exercising Forbearance

天地 - Heaven and Earth

天道 - The Way of Heaven

天運 - The Revolution of Heaven

刻意 - Ingrained Ideas

繕性 - Correcting the Nature

秋水 - The Floods of Autumn

至樂 - Perfect Enjoyment

達生 - The Full Understanding of Life

山木 - The Tree on the Mountain

田子方 - Tian Zi-fang

知北遊 - Knowledge Rambling in the North

雜篇 - Miscellaneous Chapters

庚桑楚 - Geng-sang Chu

徐無鬼 - Xu Wu-gui

則陽 - Ze-yang

外物 - What comes from Without

寓言 - Metaphorical Language

讓王 - Kings who have wished to resign the Throne

盜跖 - The Robber Zhi

說劍 - Delight in the Sword-fight

漁父 - The Old Fisherman

列禦寇 - Lie Yu-kou

天下 - Tian Xia

--Faust (talk) 18:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A chapter list is a good idea and I have two suggestions. Make a table (see Help:Table) with four columns for chapter number, pinyin (I'll be glad to add this), characters, and translation. Use a modern translation instead of Legge's outdated 1891 version. Keahapana (talk) 21:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, here is an idea on the tables. I did use the old translations btw. I like them and I have a decent source for them.

	莊子 - Zhuangzi
內篇 - Inner Chapters	外篇 - Outer Chapters	雜篇 - Miscellaneous Chapters
逍遙遊 - Enjoyment in Untroubled Ease	駢拇 - Webbed Toes	庚桑楚 - Geng-sang Chu
逍遙遊 - Enjoyment in Untroubled Ease	馬蹄 - Horses's Hoofs	徐無鬼 - Xu Wu-gui
養生主 - Nourishing the Lord of Life	胠篋 - Cutting open Satchels	則陽 - Ze-yang
人間世 - Man in the World, Associated with other Men	在宥 - Letting Be, and Exercising Forbearance	外物 - What comes from Without
德充符 - The Seal of Virtue Complete	天地 - Heaven and Earth	寓言 - Metaphorical Language
大宗師 - The Great and Most Honoured Master	天道 - The Way of Heaven	讓王 - Kings who have wished to resign the Throne
應帝王 - The Normal Course for Rulers and Kings	天運 - The Revolution of Heaven	盜跖 - The Robber Zhi
	刻意 - Ingrained Ideas	說劍 - Delight in the Sword-fight
	繕性 - Correcting the Nature	漁父 - The Old Fisherman
	秋水 - The Floods of Autumn	列禦寇 - Lie Yu-kou
	至樂 - Perfect Enjoyment	天下 - Tian Xia
	達生 - The Full Understanding of Life
	山木 - The Tree on the Mountain
	田子方 - Tian Zi-fang
	知北遊 - Knowledge Rambling in the North

--Faust (talk) 16:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

I worked a bit on a good article nomination with White Whirlwind some time ago. Not sure I have the time to be a reviewer for this one, but I would think the first thing a reviewer would want to talk about is the citations. I think it's a good, compressed style, but I've never seen citations done like this before. In addition, the citations make a reference to a 1998 Mair text which doesn't appear in the works cited list, as well as a "authorless" work in the works cited, which seems a bit strange. Are they the same work or what? TI. Gracchus (talk) 19:30, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. To answer your questions: the citations are in a pretty standard format for the field. That "Authorless" one is supposed to be a solid line, which is used when you have a bunch of works in a row all by the same author, in this case it saves writing "Victor Mair" over and over. Very standard stuff. White Whirlwind 咨 03:16, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification! There's still a lot I have to learn, I'm afraid. I'm increasingly tempted to review this article - the only problem is that it is so beautiful already I don't feel qualified to offer any critique. I may try to get help or training from the Good Article gurus to try and address this. My schedule is a bit unpredictable, but I'll see what I can do. It's obvious you've put in a lot of work and I'd like to help if I can. TI. Gracchus (talk) 06:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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	: Hi there. To answer your questions: the citations are in a pretty standard format for the field. That "Authorless" one is supposed to be a solid line, which is used when you have a bunch of works in a row all by the same author, in this case it saves writing "Victor Mair" over and over. Very standard stuff. <small><b><span style="border:1px solid;background:#030303"><span style="color:white"> White Whirlwind </span>[[User talk:White_whirlwind\|<span style="color:#030303;background-color:white;"> 咨 </span>]]</span></b></small> 03:16, 21 February 2014 (UTC)		: Hi there. To answer your questions: the citations are in a pretty standard format for the field. That "Authorless" one is supposed to be a solid line, which is used when you have a bunch of works in a row all by the same author, in this case it saves writing "Victor Mair" over and over. Very standard stuff. <small><b><span style="border:1px solid;background:#030303"><span style="color:white"> White Whirlwind </span>[[User talk:White_whirlwind\|<span style="color:#030303;background-color:white;"> 咨 </span>]]</span></b></small> 03:16, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

			::Thanks for the clarification! There's still a lot I have to learn, I'm afraid. I'm increasingly tempted to review this article - the only problem is that it is so beautiful already I don't feel qualified to offer any critique. I may try to get help or training from the Good Article gurus to try and address this. My schedule is a bit unpredictable, but I'll see what I can do. It's obvious you've put in a lot of work and I'd like to help if I can. [[User:TI. Gracchus\|TI. Gracchus]] ([[User talk:TI. Gracchus\|talk]]) 06:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)