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Get on with your coursework >_> --[kazikame] 10:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Discussion continuation from Talk:British Army

(Continuing from QEII and the British Army Website below) --Topperfalkon (talk) 12:59, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

In regards to the previous discussion made on the aforementioned link, I do agree with the reservations some have with the lack of any degree of patriotism by government to be somewhat worrying. I also am somewhat disappointed with the government's poor management of IT resources, and poor web presence. The sites themselves are often well enough laid out, but there's nowhere near enough interconnectivity and there's no real proper advertisement of most services. The landmark government 'hub' page, direct.gov, is poorly laid out and doesn't seem to connect well with other government departmental websites. Hopefully that can be changed at some point, when the government decides to hire competent IT staff.--Topperfalkon (talk) 13:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I do like the way the DirectGov site is meant to bring everything together even though it fails, but with that ugly orange banner, it makes you think why not Red white and Blue. The separatists running Scotland understand the importance of symbols, its why they have flooded everywhere with the Scottish flag since they came to power 3 years ago. Their incompetence with websites is matched by their failure throughout the departments. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

(EC) lol i have rather strong feelings on these matters and i could moan about it for hours if given the opportunity =). They spend £100,000s on website designs but forget to include a little thing like the union flag. This is not just a problem in the UK though, the left in America does the same. Take a look at the Department of Justice website before [1] and after [2] lol. The Canadians make an effort [3], our culture media and sport department could not care less. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

DoJ's new website actually looks decent though, and emblazoning a huge US flag on the header would probably ruin the theme. Enough patriotic references are there to suffice I feel. Our websites are just abysmal.--Topperfalkon (talk) 13:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I think its better with the colour, rather than just black. They could of just kept and image rather than having it as the whole banner, but its all gone. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Too many different departments with too many different websites. No one has a clue, therefore all the sites are very different and have no connections. I think it must be some kind of running theme in the UK government/MOD. I received four identical letters a few years ago apologising and informing me that my personal military details were included on a disk in an MOD laptop stolen from a car in Birmingham. It fills me with so much confidence that ANYONE could have my personal details including my address, my service number, my next of kin, their contact details etc. Can you imagine if someone had called my next of kin, knowing all of my personal details, informing them that I had been in some kind of accident?! Anyway, I'm getting off topic(!) - are the UK Forces embarrassed to have the monarch at the head of the armed forces? Other than learning about how the Queen is ultimately at the top of the military rank structure, we learnt very little about that kind of thing in basic training. And as it has now been pointed out; it has been removed from the British Army website. I wonder if the RN and RAF websites fail to mention these details also? I should hope not considering that they are both "Royal" services unlike the Army. _Will^Dow (Talk) 13:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

The number of screw ups with data is shocking, especially when its because someone leaves a memory stick or laptop somewhere, why they put such sensitive data on devices that can be taken outside of government buildings and lost i dont know. As for the monarchy, sadly that appears to be a pattern too, not just the military websites and other government websites but schools will hardly cover the topic on monarchy these days. And people wonder why we live in dark times where disloyalty and and division is widespread. I blame the left, sadly conservative governments are just as much to blame though. BritishWatcher (talk) 14:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

This is true. Although I think the continual political insinuations of 'left-ism' and 'right-ism' is also part of the problem. What really matters is what is right for the country, and what is bad for the country. That is what government, the media, and the populace should focus on. --Topperfalkon (talk) 14:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

It certainly is all sides, although i do think the centre right (conservatives) are simply incompetent where as the left (labour) are intentionally seeking to undermine certain parts of our culture and identity to further their ideological agenda. BritishWatcher (talk) 18:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's quite as simple as that. I think it's more to do with money personally...--Topperfalkon (talk) 19:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd like to see some proper data security going on too. And yes, I think the British Army should pay more attention to their roots in the royalty... There are plenty of divisions/regiments/etc. with implicit connections to the Royal Family --Topperfalkon (talk) 13:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I can't find any mention of royalty, or the Queen as being at the top of the pecking order on any of the three services websites. No mention of why the "Royal" in the history sections, or about the monarch in the overall structure. I thought at least the RN or RAF would have included this. As far as I can see, all three services have almost word for word statements about the MOD and the top structure:

"The Ministry of Defence (MoD) is a Department of State, headed by the Secretary of State for Defence (SofS) who creates Defence Policy and plans the spending of the Defence Budget. The MoD is the highest level of headquarters for the Armed Forces, both Administrative and Operational. All major issues of policy are referred to the SofS or to one of his three Ministerial colleagues..."

Very poor me thinks... _Will^Dow (Talk) 13:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. I might draw attention to this in the relevant places if possible when I have some spare time this evening. That's a bit shameful that there's no 'proper' history section on the websites.--Topperfalkon (talk) 13:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Its disgraceful yes, and all the more annoying when you imagine the sort of money they have wasted paying for the deeply flawed website creation. BritishWatcher (talk) 14:31, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks!--Topperfalkon (talk) 14:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Ed Miliband BLP concerns

Please see my comments at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Ed Miliband#Decision of the Mediation Committee, and the links there to the report I filed at WP:BLPN relating to your edits to Ed Miliband (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Regards, AGK 23:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I have read your comments, thank you for your time. --Topperfalkon (talk) 08:22, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your latest revert; please refer to WP:BLPCAT, the talk page and the BLP noticeboard for explanation. I strongly encourage you to revert - either that or demonstrate that this category is notable to his public life in reliable sources. BLP violations are a bright line, they strongly override any other consensus. And BLPCAT is particularly explicit. --Errant ^(chat!) 22:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not blind to your concerns, but the issue has been in quite strong discussion for well over a month and it was decided that the version arrived upon both fits policy best and is the best for the article. See my reply on the article. Furthermore, I don't feel it is acceptable to simply remove something reached upon by consensus and only cite policy without giving a proper argument for that edit.--Topperfalkon (talk) 22:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

With the greatest respect, BLP policy is specific and unavoidable. I have been watching the page to see if it can be demonstrated that BLPCAT is satisfied; but so far this is not the case. Talk page consensus does not override BLP enforcement; I have rv'd the BLP violation, please satisfy BLPCAT sufficiently before adding the categories back. There is no real room for manoeuvre on this, we must take care to make categories, particularly BLP categories, relevant and of due worth. --Errant ^(chat!) 22:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Errant, you don't get to determine what is a BLP violation. You get to have an opinion on that, but it doesn't count any more than anyone else's opinion. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:48, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

We have been discussing BLPCAT in a number of places recently. There is strong movement to enforce it from here on out. I recommend asking at the relevant talk page for clarification on why this is an important issue. I realise you feel you have a compromise or consensus; but BLPCAT must be observed, or modified (if that is the community decision) --Errant ^(chat!) 22:51, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Re-reading BLPCAT, I don't see your argument. It has been made abundantly clear in the article talk pages that the use of Category: British Jews is not of a religious nature, it is of an ethnic nature. He has identified as being of Jewish identity and as a potential future PM I fail to see how such potential affiliations cannot be notable! Furthermore, a strong movement to enforce BLPCAT does not override basic Wikipedia principles, even though in this case most of the followers of that article clearly believe it is not being breached.--Topperfalkon (talk) 22:55, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

The important issue is that the significance must be demonstrated in a RS. As it is I do not think the possibility of him being PM is relevant under our Crystal Ball policy - that is somewhat by the by though. BLP policy is usually considered a bright line; it is enforced fairly widely and overrides local talk page consensus. I'd encourage bringing in more BLP experts, particularly those interested in BLPCAT to put their opinion onto the table. I appreciate you all trying to compromise; but breaking BLP is a troublesome issue. --Errant ^(chat!) 23:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

This isn't just local talk page consensus, this has been through RFC and RFM processes in an attempt to widen the discussion and cement a particular resolution. There has been no overall change in consensus since the last consensus. Given that BLP has been evaluated in our process of reaching consensus, your particular interpretation of BLP and BLPCAT can't simply overwrite talk page consensus. Such a process would be extremely disruptive to Wikipedia and be severely detrimental to its articles' qualities.--Topperfalkon (talk) 23:11, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, where there is a critical failure to meet policy, and where that policy is important (BLP) we generally have to approach this from "cut it out and then convince enough people that policy is satisfied". I appreciate this has been through a number of processes; but the mediator pushed it back to the BLP/N because specific BLP expertise was recquired, expertise which has now been given by at least three people. I've been keeping a weather eye on all the discussion so far; and unfortunately no one has been able to satisfy BLPCAT at this time --Errant ^(chat!) 23:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

BLP was deemed satisfied before the mediator's intervention. In truth, because of the long delay in the beginning of that process, the state of the categories on that page were a non-issue to involved parties at that time. Only a minor disagreement with a single editor remained. I'm unconvinced that BLP hasn't been satisfied and, as sorry as I am to repeat the usage of this word, I think yourself and others are being a bit to zealous in conforming to BLP to the letter where you should be looking at the article as a whole and from a detached perspective. As per the article talk page, I still don't believe any violation of BLP or BLPCAT has occurred, and I am still affronted by the action undertaken by yourself and John (who was present during the discussions but absent through much of it) without first explaining the violations you believe to have occurred in sufficient detail.--Topperfalkon (talk) 00:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Your request for rollback

Hi Topperfalkon. After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

• Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
• Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Rollback should never be used to edit war.
• If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
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If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! FASTILY ^(TALK) 21:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Ed Milliband

Please don't reply to Bus stop -its the only chance of him going away and stropping going in never ending ethnic circles. Off2riorob (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I do my best not to. During that last discussion I think I only referenced him at all once or twice. --Topperfalkon (talk) 16:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

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