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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_September_12#Category:Films_set_in_prison|A previous CfM]] was non-admin closed as "no rationale given," even though I think the nominator gave a perfectly clear, if brief, rationale. So let me restate this rationale at greater length: having read the detailed description on the nominated category, I still do not see a meaningful distinction from the target category. However, I would be equally open to a reverse merge, if others prefer to retain the "films set in X" structure. I just don't think we should have two categories that ''are'' indeed redundant, as [[User:Liz]] pointed out in her 2012 CfM, which in my opinion was closed prematurely. [[User:Shawn in Montreal|Shawn in Montreal]] ([[User talk:Shawn in Montreal|talk]]) 18:06, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_September_12#Category:Films_set_in_prison|A previous CfM]] was non-admin closed as "no rationale given," even though I think the nominator gave a perfectly clear, if brief, rationale. So let me restate this rationale at greater length: having read the detailed description on the nominated category, I still do not see a meaningful distinction from the target category. However, I would be equally open to a reverse merge, if others prefer to retain the "films set in X" structure. I just don't think we should have two categories that ''are'' indeed redundant, as [[User:Liz]] pointed out in her 2012 CfM, which in my opinion was closed prematurely. [[User:Shawn in Montreal|Shawn in Montreal]] ([[User talk:Shawn in Montreal|talk]]) 18:06, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
:: Actually, my CfM for these two categories was in August 2013 ([[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 August 4#Category:Films set in prison]]). <font face="Rage Italic" size="4" color="#800080">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</font></sup> 12:06, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
:: Actually, my CfM for these two categories was in August 2013 ([[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 August 4#Category:Films set in prison]]). <font face="Rage Italic" size="4" color="#800080">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</font></sup> 12:06, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Oh dear. I didn't see that. In that case, I'm not interested in revisiting so soon, even though I still think you were quite right in wishing to merge. '''Withdrawn''' by nominator. 13:50, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


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May 4

NEW NOMINATIONS

Prehistoric centuries in science

Nominator's rationale: Merge. These only contain lists of lunar and solar eclipses. The articles are not about observations, recordings or interpretations made at the time, which would be prehistoric science. Rather, they are calculations by modern science. Therefore these categories have no valid members. The earliest good category is Category:8th century BC in science which has the metalworking article Llyn Fawr Phase. – Fayenatic London 21:00, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cannes Film Festival jury presidents

Nominator's rationale: I've nominated this one separately, as I could see some editors feeling that a Cannes film fest presidency is a more distinguished honour than simply to be a jurist -- meriting a keep !vote. However, I still believe WP:NOTDEFINING applies for these individuals. I would have no objection if anyone wishes to merge these two CfD nominations. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:14, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's always interesting to see the inherent conflict between deletionists and those who build the encyclopedia. I've gotten lots of thanks for this hard work I've done, and now this.... Being chosen to be a jury member is a very notable thing and a great honor, one of the greatest in the film world. Note that presidents of the jury are a subcategory of members of the jury, and not the other way around. -- Brangifer (talk) 20:42, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's always interesting getting a personal attack in place of a valid argument at Cfd. And when did I suggest that this category was not a sub-cat of the jurist one? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Easy does it. Don't take irritation for a personal attack. You have attacked my hard work, so naturally there is some irritation, and I'm relaying how other people have seen my work. They see its value and appreciate it.
I never said that you suggested anything about the subcategory. I just provided that information for anyone considering a merge or deletion. It's good to know.
BTW, the valid argument is in there, if you look for it. We have categories for award winners, so why not for those who actually judge them, IOW those who sit above them? -- Brangifer (talk) 22:00, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I checked a sample of articles in this category and none mentioned this in the lead and several didn't mention it at all. In other words, it is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of these people. WP:DNWAUC applies. For info: The list is a much better presentation of this information for all the usual reasons - e.g. it can include people that we don't (yet) have articles for (which is itself an indication that this "award" isn't of such importance that it is an exception to WP:OC#AWARD). DexDor (talk) 04:31, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cannes Film Festival jury members

Nominator's rationale: I do not believe that simply being on a film jury is WP:DEFINING for these individuals, even if it is Cannes. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:11, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's always interesting to see the inherent conflict between deletionists and those who build the encyclopedia. I've gotten lots of thanks for this hard work I've done, and now this.... Being chosen to be a jury member is a very notable thing and a great honor, one of the greatest in the film world. Note that presidents of the jury are members of this category, and not the other way around. -- Brangifer (talk) 20:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films set in prison

Nominator's rationale: A previous CfM was non-admin closed as "no rationale given," even though I think the nominator gave a perfectly clear, if brief, rationale. So let me restate this rationale at greater length: having read the detailed description on the nominated category, I still do not see a meaningful distinction from the target category. However, I would be equally open to a reverse merge, if others prefer to retain the "films set in X" structure. I just don't think we should have two categories that are indeed redundant, as User:Liz pointed out in her 2012 CfM, which in my opinion was closed prematurely. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:06, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, my CfM for these two categories was in August 2013 (Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 August 4#Category:Films set in prison). Liz Read! Talk! 12:06, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh dear. I didn't see that. In that case, I'm not interested in revisiting so soon, even though I still think you were quite right in wishing to merge. Withdrawn by nominator. 13:50, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Category:Rebbetzins of Lubavitch

Nominator's rationale: Most do not have an article, and the group can never be larger than 7 anyways. Debresser (talk) 17:59, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rivers on Vancouver Island

Strange name. Propose renaming to Category:Rivers of Vancouver Island.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:22, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've proposed it for renaming above.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:40, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The use of "on" doesn't seem strange to me (maybe it's ENGVAR), but the other categories are "of" (not "in") so this/these should be "of" as well. DexDor (talk) 04:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Taxa with documented soft tissue fossils

Nominator's rationale: Species should be categorized by the characteristics of the species (e.g. whether the species is extinct or not), rather than by characteristics of the evidence for that species (e.g. we don't put the Thylacine article in a category for extinct animals that were photographed). See related CFD Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_11#Category:Taxa_with_documented_paleopathologies. Note: the use of the word "documented" in a category name is very unusual in enwiki.
Listification or a rename (e.g. to "Prehistoric taxa with soft tissue") could be considered. DexDor (talk) 14:53, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Association football captains

Nominator's rationale: Merge. Following this decision from April 23, only a subcat of lists is left, and this should be moved up to one parent (it is already within a sub-cat of the other). – Fayenatic London 13:22, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sports history

Nominator's rationale: Rename to match parent Category:History of sports and sibling Category:History of sports by sport. – Fayenatic London 08:12, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I would prefer to keep these as thay are, for the simple reason that some varieties of English use "sport" and some "sports". By saying "sports history", it sounds reasonably like a genitive, and so clears up some confusion._15:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Category:Scottish comics characters

Nominator's rationale: Appears this was missed out from a large nomination at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_September_23#Category:Fictional_characters_by_origin Tim! (talk) 07:47, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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