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I'm back! An editor has redirected an article on an obviously notable subject. It's part of a pattern of going after me, so I want to avoid the conflict entirely and get a clear community consensus on the subject. I would like a wide hearing of it. I am familiar with the AfD process and I would like to use that, but I have taken some criticism for nominating an article to determine whether it's a legitimate subject when I don't want it deleted. I think that's silly, AfD is where it's decided whether we include an article subject, but if that's a problem.. What are my other options? I am wary of RFC. Will that draw a wide audience to actually look into the subject and determine notability? I don't want drive by "I don't like it" votes. I want the sources and coverage to be assessed fairly. What is best way to deal with this situation? Candleabracadabra (talk) 19:34, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Reliable sources, reliable sources and ... well you know. Also your kinda vague, you open your statement about a redirect and all of a sudden your talking about AfD,RfC & nobility (which has nothing to do with redirects) Mlpearc (open channel) 19:46, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

If it's a longstanding article WP:BRD suggests reverting the redirect and starting a discussion. Did one take place before the redirect was done? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:47, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

New article. I will discuss on talk page. Sometimes jumping through hoops for the sake of jumping through hoops when the outcome is easily predicted doesn't seem useful, but okay. Candleabracadabra (talk) 20:25, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually it looks like it was an article was redirected, was an article again and was redirected (I think). Anyway. I initiated a discussion, but as I indicated the outcome is predictable so I would like to seek wider input for a consensus. Candleabracadabra (talk) 20:41, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

• The article in question is, I suppose, Climate variability; it was created by {{User:ChildofMidnight]], who left us this version, which was restored by Candleabracabra here, and since expanded a bit. ChildofMidnight's version was reverted to a redirect by (admin) Father Goose in this edit, with the explanation that it duplicates content, and Candleabracabra's version was reverted to a redirect by Viriditas, who was subsequently reverted by Candleabracadabra. There are some sources given in the latest version, but only two of those appear to be peer-reviewed publications. Drmies (talk) 12:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
• To respond to NeilN's comment, neither version I mentioned was a "longstanding article", having been (substantially) edited only by ChildofMidnight and Candleabracadabra, respectively. But there is a bit more to it: there was a stub before ChildofMidnight edited it--a rather POV stub with the claim that "The term is a more neutral counterpart of climate change." This stub was redirected as a "POV/redundant article to climate change" by (admin) Neutrality, before it was restored and expanded by ChildofMidnight. The claim that it "is a more neutral counterpart" is still in the article, though now rephrased: "The phrase climate variability is a more neutral and less politically charged phrase than climate change which includes the assumption that a particular change of the climate is taking place."

  Since the article is under discretionary sanctions (Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate_change#Final_decision), and given that "the assumption that a particular change of the climate is taking place" is the consensus view among scientists", and since two administrators have reverted what they deemed to be POV versions of the article, and since the article in its current state still preserves the original spirit of the "more neutral terminology" view, I suggest that extraordinary care be taken here. Drmies (talk) 12:30, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• I have notified Candleabracadabra of the discretionary sanctions, and was alerted that they had previously been notified of discretionary sanctions in pseudoscience and fringe science by JzG. Drmies (talk) 12:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

If you object to something in the article why not simply remove that content? I changed the article a great deal from what was there before. I also initiated talk page discussion (yesterday) as was suggested above and listed additional sources on the article's talk page. It's a pretty basic aspect of climate science and I can't think of a good reason why we don't have an article on it. Candleabracadabra (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I removed the assertion you mentioned as it is unsourced. Candleabracadabra (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you can also remove the assertion, above, "It's part of a pattern of going after me", as it is likewise unsourced, and a personal attack to boot, lest I be forced to pursue disciplinary measures. Drmies (talk) 18:02, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I answered in general terms because the question was couched in generalities. I'm ambivalent in getting into specifics here as it seems splitting the discussion between the article talk page (where it belongs) and here would be of limited use. To be honest, I'm here on this page to help editors with lightly watched articles example and not get involved with spillover from discretionary sanctions. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree. That's why I asked my question as more of a general question about the principles involved. Thanks for your assitance and also user:Mlpearc. Hopefully if Drmies thinks it isn't an independently notable subject he will take it to an articles for deletion discussion so we can get a wider community consensus. Candleabracadabra (talk) 18:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't think anything of it. It strikes me as valid in its own right, but I merely note that it has been a POV creation and recreation from the get-go, and last time that was by you, after you restored ChildofMidnight's POV text. I noted also that the article was under discretionary sanctions, and reverted to a redirect twice by administrators, with arguments and all, so I don't see why you would blast the latest redirecter while you essentially restored what had been undone with valid arguments, twice in a row. In other words, you could have known better just from the history, and I wonder if this entire thread isn't to hurl some insult at poor Viriditas, who merely did to the same content what admins Neutrality and Father Goose had done twice before. But please go ahead and write it up anew, and in the spirit of collaborative editing, please apologize to Viriditas for your personal attack, with which you started this thread, though without naming them. I just know you probably didn't mean to insult them. Have a great weekend, Drmies (talk) 18:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, if there's inappropriate point of view in it please point it out (in the appropriate venue) and I'll get rid of it or better yet, take it out yourself! I posted a generalized question and was seeking generalized answers. My choice to exclude a focus on any particular article or editor(s) was intentional and for good reason. I was asking how to handle a situation generally speaking. I got some good suggestions and I followed them. Candleabracadabra (talk) 18:47, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, this, "It's part of a pattern of going after me", directed at Viriditas, no doubt, is hardly a generalized question. You could show your good faith by striking it. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 20:00, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Some edit disputes and my concern for NPOV

This is my first time posting here, so forgive and appropriately redirect me for any mistakes. Basically, I've been editing the page K'naan (Somali-Canadian rapper) for language/structure and adding newer information (with references). As is the case with articles sometimes, you come across disputes with other users, who may disagree with your edits and prefer to make their own edits/reverts. Recently, I have come across a certain user who has done so a number of times, I don't feel its time for "dispute resolution" since we have just begun to take it to the Talk Page. I would mainly like consultation to observe some of my concerns and whether they are valid or not. Since I don't feel it would be right for me to press my angle, if it were to be in the wrong.

1) I added a disambiguation header linking to Knaanic language, since "Knaan" redirects to the artist. This was removed by the user.

2) A section titled "Feud with k-os" (another Canadian rapper), was replaced with "Musical disputes". I object to this because, its only one "dispute/feud" so no point added a plural/nondescriptive header. Furthermore, "Musical disputes" implies creative differences a rapper has with a producer/writer/artist he's working with, not a feud with a rival/competing rapper (k-os) as is the case. The concept of "rap feud" is common in the Hip Hop world, and commonly mentioned as such in most Wikipedia articles on rappers.

3) A section entitled "Activism and views" made mention of K'naan's activism work, as well as his "view" a comment he made on Somalian piracy. The user renamed the section "Philanthropy", and removed any mention of the Somali piracy comment, citing it to be irrelevant or unimportant. I beg to differ, since the artist is Somalian closely connected to Somali culture/issues, and Piracy is a big issue related to Somalia. This is where i noticed there seems to be a deliberate attempt at POV or whitewashing the subject article. 'Philanthropy' has positive connotations whereas 'Activism' has neutral/variable connotations; this seems to be against the spirit of NPOV. Outright removal of a controversial section like his view on piracy seemed to fit in with that line of thought. His editing of "feud" to "musical dispute" also seemed to be an indicator of the deliberate toning-down of language in the article.

This is the Talk Page section where I've brought some of these concerns to the user directly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:K%27naan#Philanthropy // DA1 (talk) 05:23, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Looks like the dablink has (rightly) been restored. No opinion on the other issues. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 11:15, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Brady Dougan Early Life

Brady Dougan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Early Life of Brady Dougan has been removed and replaced by career.178.197.227.241 (talk) 00:03, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Er... no it hasn't. The most recent edit to the article (and only edit this month) just tweaked the infobox. And there's an Early life section still. In fact, the "Early life" section was only introduced fairly recently, and hasn't been removed at all since. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 19:53, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Requesting an editorial review of Council of Graduate Schools

Requesting an editorial review of Council_of_Graduate_Schools (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I am a paid editor for the Council of Graduate Schools. We would like to request some help with updating, expanding, and providing external sources for this page. We have drafted content at the article's Talk page that we would like to request a third-party review and post if s/he feels it is within Wikipedia's guidelines for neutrality and documentation. Thank you for any help you provide.

Nwt007 (talk) 19:11, 27 May 2014 (UTC)nwt007

WP:PAIDHELP may be a better place to request this review. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 01:03, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Naming articles about non-English institutions

Should articles about French institutions be titled in French or English, such as St. Charles Garnier College? Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names states that the common name should be used, which is Collège Saint-Charles-Garnier. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) states that it should be written in English, which is St. Charles Garnier College. Which one do I go for? Pjposullivan (talk) 17:13, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Both policies suggest using the most common name in English-language sources, so in this case the better choice is probably St. Charles Garnier College. Novusuna ^talk 18:13, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I concur. Basically the only times I'd recommend not using an English name is if there is effectively no English name. It doesn't need to be an official English name either, just something that is in the sources (and there's no other reason not to use it, like that it's obviously incorrect). —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 05:30, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Need an admin to help move a page history

I screwed up and did a copy-paste move to try to purge an image cache from commons - I really should know better, but I wasn't thinking straight. Short story, the file that used to be hosted on en.wiki at File:Editorrib18.png is now hosted on commons at File:Editorrib20.png, but the move to commons left file info on en.wiki, which I moved to en.wiki's File:Editorrib20.png page by copy/paste instead of a proper move. What I need is the edit history at File:Editorrib18.png moved to File:Editorrib20.png, and I hope that deleting the File:Editorrib18.png page (and any redirect left behind) will allow the updated commons image to propogate through en.wiki, but at the very least, the edit history does need to be moved. Thanks for any help. VanIsaac_WS^cont 05:08, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Hm? The revision history at File:Editorrib18.png (both here and at commons) contains nothing requiring attribution apart from the original uploader's upload, and there's nothing special at File:Editorrib20.png (either here or at commons). Is there any particular reason for the file to be locally hosted? Just delete File:Editorrib20.png here and at commons as bit-for-bit duplicates of their respective copies of File:Editorrib18.png. I don't think there's anything special needed otherwise. If a list of the contribs from each respective page needs to be listed at Commons (which is often done when a file is transferred over), that's a matter for the people at Commons to sort out. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 22:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

You don't get it. File:Editorrib18.png and File:Editorrib20.png are not the same file at commons (they are similar, but the width of the gold ribbons is different), even though they are the same at en.wiki for some damnable reason. File:Editorrib20.png used to be called File:Editorrib18.png on en.wiki, but it needed to be moved (on commons) to make way for File:Editorrib18.png and File:Editorrib19.png, which were formerly File:Editorrib18a.png and File:Editorrib18b.png. I'm trying to get en.wiki to reflect the changes at commons, and part of that was preserving the file information from en.wiki, which is what I copied over without attribution. I believe that this also might be preventing propogation of the new File:Editorrib18.png image from commons. So, just trust me and do this: delete the file on en.wiki for File:Editorrib20.png. Move the last version (before I blanked it) of File:Editorrib18.png to File:Editorrib20.png, and all the attribution and file history will be preserved in the proper places. If you also delete (or suppress creation) of the redirect at File:Editorrib18.png, we can see if that solves the propogation/image caching issues that I'm running into, but either way, all of the history and file information at File:Editorrib18.png unambiguously needs to be located at File:Editorrib20.png. VanIsaac_WS^cont 22:44, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

prandtls condition

Sir,

I was just accidentally uploaded the that article.The proper things and equations are ready with me .Can i proceed with that?