Talk:Roku

Dealing with Smusser and "Instant Roku Channel"

There is a person - id Smusser - that keeps adding to the page info on something named at first "Instant Roku Channel" and now "Instant TV Channel". That is not a "channel" in the sense of the channel lists but a commercial service of dubious notability. I feel their persistence to re-add it is for the sake of marketing/increased exposure to potential clients. I am regular on Roku developer forums and have not seen it being discussed as being popular - or even mentioned off-hand. Me getting into undo/redo spats with Smusser is getting old fast. He/she seems the only person finding this "Instant TV Channel" notable - but what if i am the only one considering it non-notable. What to do? List of pushes:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roku,_Inc.&diff=prev&oldid=501665086
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roku,_Inc.&diff=prev&oldid=590594547
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roku&diff=prev&oldid=604362266
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roku&diff=prev&oldid=605545114
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roku&diff=prev&oldid=606821119

PS. after a search seems that S.Musser is the author of that "Instant Channel", which makes it an unsavory self-promotion EnTerr (talk) 21:55, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Have you considered contacting him on his talk page? Talk and try discuss it. If that don't work then there are other things to do but I'd try that first. I agree with your original removal. It's not notable. However not all of the channels listed are notable. All of them are a commercial product. The only difference being that this is not an actual channel.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 13:00, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

The most recent reasons given for the reversion of my edit are "not notable" and "not of encyclopedic notablility". Notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article, however due weight does. About 140 out of roughly 1450 non-game Roku channels currently in the public Roku Channel Store were built using Instant TV Channel (ITVC). Generating the code for almost 10% of the channels in the on-screen Roku Channel Store might be considered as having some due weight. Another justification given for removing ITVC is that it is not referenced significantly in the Roku Developer Forum. The typical user of ITVC has no need to use the Roku Developer Forum as it consists almost entirely of discussions about the Roku SDK. ITVC is an additional method, besides the Roku SDK and NDK, of service creation for the Roku players because it allows content owners to build Roku channels without the use the Roku SDK, the Roku NDK, or the Roku Developer Forum. It seems to me that a brief mention of ITVC is appropriate in the Service Creation paragraph of this article. Smusser (talk) 11:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

The fact that it's not mentioned in the Roku developer forum is actually meaningless. It could be hardly said that forum is a reliable source to show notability. As far as notability you really need a better argument. WP:Notability does not govern article content. However content notability is governed by by the principles in CAT:CONTENT and WP:DUE. I have to assume EnTerr is making claims on the basis of WP:NOT though I'll let them make their own argument. I also feel the need to point out that you say alot but provide little in the way of sources. 10% of Roku no gaming channels are made by this service? Do you have a WP:RS Reliable source? I think you first what we need here in this conversation is for Enterr to further explain his policy opinion on notability here.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 18:35, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Personally WP:PROMOTION comes to mind. I can't really see any reason to mention this but to promote it. WP:INDISCRIMINATE makes me question the enclopedic value of this.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 21:58, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Roku player photo

Hello, I'm writing from Roku wondering if we could change the photo of the Roku player. While that is in fact a Roku player on the page it is very old and no longer available. The current models are smaller with rounded edges. Pictures can be found on the Roku Web site and there are images for downloading on the press page under images. Thank you for considering. Someeagleeye (talk) 23:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes we could. The original was taken from there. Go ahead.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 13:14, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

trimmed the channel list per WP:IINFO

I trimmed the list. The lists take up to much space. This is a partial list. Wikipedia is not a Roku Channel store database. I cut channels and games that lacked a wiki article themselves. A whole lot more can and should be cut.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 10:13, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to cut the services that you can't get directly from Roku.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 04:19, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Removing the 3 local channels WISC, WTHR, KLAS tv.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 04:28, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Removing the clip channels.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Thinking about cutting the section that has both free and premium channels. At this point it's really going to be subjective on which channels to remove. I'm going to start cutting some channels where their niche seems over represented like the Christian TV channels.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 14:44, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

I just randomly removed channels this time. I'd like to thin up the list a little more but later.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 05:31, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Adding 2014 product launches

Hello - There were two new product launches this year that are not yet reflected in this article. The Roku Streaming Stick (HDMI version) in March and the first Roku TV models in August. The announcements can be found on the Roku Web site on the Press Room page. To provide readers with current information, can short sections for these be added where the product descriptions are? Appreciate your consideration.