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"Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple," Dr. Seuss

Grateful for all the help I receive here at Wikipedia, I am happy to offer my assistance and will do what I can. Just click on:
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Please bear with me at times. I've got a couple of disabilities and because of the symptoms I can operate at a low caliber some mornings or even several days. It may take a few times until I get something worded correctly, particularly in informal discussions... but I nearly always get there in the end. Thanks!

Thank you!

Yesterday I was trying to figure out how to divide the article in sections (i.e. Personal Life, Career, Published Works, etc.). Now I know how you did it - THANK YOU! I'm going to search for a few more references and external links to add to this article, then tackle the photos.

Will be in touch, PenslipsPenslips (talk) 13:08, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

My pleasure, Penslips! I trust you saw the comments that I posted on the talk page User talk:Penslips/sandbox.--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:24, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh boy oh boy, yes! I just saw them. Will be in touch if I have any questions. Thank you. PenslipsPenslips (talk) 21:42, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good, Penslips!--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Carole - Been sick with the flu for two weeks, and just getting back to the living though slowly. I reviewed again your last message to me with your suggestions and believe I was able to make some headway, though struggled with coding. If you could review what I've done I would greatly appreciate it. A few things... 1) re Southern Living: I contacted the magazine in order to obtain a reputable citation for the article(s) Dean wrote (and confirm that she wrote them) for the magazine. Hopefully I'll hear back soon. According to Southern Living, my inability to find anything online could be due to the fact that they might've been written too many years ago to find -- but they will look. If they DO NOT find anything, should I remove Southern Living from the article? I'm thinking not entirely since they did interview her just months before she passed away related to her new book. 2) Larry Wells does not have his own website, so I was unclear how to add a citation for him without one. However, I was able to find in the history section of the Yoknapatawpha Press that they indeed started that Press. 3) I believe I made the first paragraph a little more clear re when Dean was born and when her father died. Let me know what you think. Thank you, PenslipsPenslips (talk) 18:48, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you've been sick, Penslips. I see some of the updates and can step in and help a bit with formatting. The best way to start an article is to find sources and build the article from there, rather than the other way around. Yes, you either need to find specific articles from Southern Living or a source that mentions a Southern Living article to include it in the encyclopedia article. I'll pick some sources from the search I mentioned earlier (now in my archived messages), format them as situations, and then get a good start that way. Then, you just need to build the article and tag content from there.--CaroleHenson (talk) 22:32, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Adoption?

Hey there! I'm a new user and Randykitty said I should take a look at the adoption program. I saw that you share my interest in history and society so I was wondering if it would be easy to lead a nooby like me through the basics and first steps of being a Wikipedian. Spirtzis (talk) 19:46, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I would be happy to Spirtzis - what are you interested in doing (writing an article, making updates to articles of interest, other)?--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:56, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Making an article seems like a nice final goal but for now I think editing articles would be a good start. I also do some minor heraldry if that helps. Spirtzis (talk) 21:39, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Great, Spirtzis! There are a number of heraldry articles that could use help, if that's of interest. The WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage page has a lot of helpful information and a to-do list. Their talk page is a great place to see how they manage the project and weigh in on discussions. Or, is there something else you would like to work on?--CaroleHenson (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Spirtzis. I thought I would check back. Are you still interested in working on some articles? How can I help?--CaroleHenson (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

OMG sorry for not checking back I was really busy :( I was wondering how exactly do I pick an article to edit? Do I just choose one of the available ones? And after that do you know of any good sources or types of sources to get information from to expand/create articles on the Peerages/Baronates of the UK? Spirtzis (talk) 22:00, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Spirtzis, I personally think it's nice to become a member of a Wikipedia:WikiProject, and if peerage interests you,WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage is a good place to start... and I have a couple of additional comments above. They have to do lists on project sites and other helpful information. Your points about selection of sources is an important one - and there's information on the project site about that there. You could ask a question on the talk page about what articles might need work. Folks regularly involved in the project would likely be a help. You could also scan categories, like Category:Peerage of England stubs or another one of Category:Peerage of England stubs.

I recently created an article for the wife of Thomas Anson, 1st Viscount Anson, and his article was in sad shape so I did a bit of work on it, but it could use expansion.--CaroleHenson (talk) 22:24, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Here's the specific link to sources, but I don't use thepeerage.com website and have seen it tagged for a {{better source}}.--CaroleHenson (talk) 22:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll try to get on to work on the peerages. I might pass by your article and see if I can help. Thanks once again :D Spirtzis (talk) 22:28, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

My first contribution to the Baronates! I updated Cuthbert Ackroyd with some more details! Spirtzis (talk) 22:58, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Will you adopted me? Wikipedia:Adopt-an-editor program

Hi CaroleHenson. I am interested in being adopted by a experienced Wikipedian, and I thought you were the perfect person to partner with! I would like to be your assitance and learn how to use Wikipedia, the templates, and so much more! I am excited to see what you have to offer. Please reply with Agree or  Disagree

Sincerely Yours, CookieMonster755 (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

CookieMonster755 I Agree , what kind of article would you like to work on? Or, do you already have one in mind? Do you have a particular interest: history, art, science, other?--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

CaroleHenson I like articles related to Architecture (mainly Skyscrapers), Politics (German and American politics), and History (American 1700-1800s history). Currently. I don't have an article in mind to work on, but I will see if any of my articles I created really need some constructive work. CookieMonster755 (talk) 21:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

CookieMonster755 That sounds good! Have you ever thought of joining and WikiProject, like Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture, Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places, on of the Wikipedia:WikiProject United States History (which needs members) , or one of the politics projects. I think that can be one of the best ways to become involved and meet like-minded people. They almost always have "to do" or worklists for articles that need to be created or improved. If you identify one, I would be happy to work with you to create or improve an article. Or, of course, if you find one that you've already worked on that you'd like to improve.--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:31, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

CaroleHenson —— I have joined WikiProject Architecture, but I will join the other groups you suggested. I think that's a great idea, I will look on the project to do list, to see if their is anything I can help with. At this moment, I don't have any articles to work on at the moment, but when I do, I will surely get in touch with you. Thank you so much for being my new Wikipedia Parent! CookieMonster755 (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

CookieMonster755 Sounds good! My pleasure!--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:55, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 14, 2015)

A man garbage picking through a skip (dumpster) Hello, CaroleHenson. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Garbage picking Previous selections: Antagonist • Dinner Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of EuroCarGT (talk) 00:08, 30 March 2015 (UTC) •

DYK for Mary Brewster Hazelton

The DYK project (nominate) 12:01, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Mentoring

Hi Carole! I am a relatively new editor (~5 months), but I feel like I've been getting the hang of how things work around here; however, I also do some paid COI work, and seem to run into problems with fostering goodwill with the community. I noticed you helped Heatherer with publishing COI content via an edit request earlier, and saw that you also participate in the adopt-a-user program. I was hoping you might be able to provide me with some advice or guidance. I feel like I've been straightforward and transparent in my process, but as I continue to run into problems, I'm beginning to consider that an outside, experienced perspective would be immensely helpful. Thanks for your time! FacultiesIntact (talk) 19:41, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, FacultiesIntact, Sure, how can I help? Do you have something specifically that you're working on now? And, in what way have you run into issues?--CaroleHenson (talk) 20:25, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Carole, thanks for your response. Primarily I've been working on David M. Cote, and so far, Edwardx, DGG, Cullen328, and Sunrise have commented on the draft on Talk:David M. Cote, and Frecklefoot and Zigzig20s left me comments in userspace. Philafrenzy, Jojalozzo, and Xaxafrad also made suggestions but eluded to my wasting of time presenting a draft in my sandbox. DGG cited his approval on the David M. Cote Talk page, but at this point, Philafrenzy is editing the BLP. I'm unsure why he seems disinterested to collaborate with me. Given that I'm fairly new to this, what would you suggest as next steps?

I'm also working on some other pages, and have tried to follow similar methodology: I declare COI, link to the draft I'm working on, and detail the changes I'm proposing. However, some Wikipedians protest against wholesale changes claiming those suggested wholesale changes are never going to be implemented. You're welcome to review user contributions as it gives insight to my compliance to the standard procedure; per WP:EDITREQ, as a COI editor, I'm trying to garner consensus about changes before submitting an edit request. Yet very few people seem interested in actually collaborating, with me. What other advice would you have about the edit request process, for non-COI or COI editing? Thanks again! FacultiesIntact (talk) 04:42, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I will take another look at that page tomorrow. It is sometimes a problem, when several people all suggest changes in submitted material, to reach an agreed solution, especially as we do not have any very exact rules on content of an article. We have no definitive way of handling this, nut the best place to post a request for a new look at it is now the WP:Conflict of Interest Noticeboard. DGG ( talk ) 05:01, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

In my opinion, FacultiesIntact, you are going about things in precisely the opposite way than you should. When you write a new draft of an article, proposing to replace the current version of the article with your new draft, you begin by disrespecting the work of every editor who came before you. This will never fly unless the existing article is total garbage with no useful content, which is exceedingly rare. Instead, you should propose incremental changes to the existing article in small, well-referenced chunks. Abandon your disrespectful "draft" approach, and work on improving, not replacing, existing articles. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:10, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

FacultiesIntact, You've received a lot of feedback about some of the content already, so I don't want to duplicate those points - and instead am adding some comments you may want to consider regarding approach. Here are some of my initial thoughts.

• I know that you said several times that you want to collaborate with others to update the article, which is great! Mentioning your role and connection was good/important, too.
• I think, though, that you might have unintentionally lost some people right off the bat.
  • When I saw that a number of people started jumping into the conversation right off the bat, it looked to me like there was concern about needing to "save" the work that had already been done on the article.
  • Your original intro might have come across a little better if you had said that you wanted to add recent information, improve the sources and suggest some changes - and then start to get into some detail.
  • In this case, it seemed like there was clear concern about removing cited content and about dealing with an entire draft at once, so it that seemed the time to break it down into manageable chunks - like
    • inserting proposed language for one section at a time with a summary of the changes. One option is to use a {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}} box to identify the language like

Proposed wording
Verbiage inserted here.

• Or, Break down the changes a section at a time: what you're requesting to remove, change and add, in quotes.
• Or, ask the individuals who are commenting on the talk page what would be the best, most efficient way to proceed.

• As paid editor, I recommend keeping a strict encyclopedic style, presenting balanced content, and being extremely careful with tone - especially avoiding peacock, weasel, or promotional language. In your position, I think it's important to err on the side of a "just the facts" approach. For instance, I would rethink statements like "The following year, Cote returned to his home state and talked his way into enrolling at the University of New Hampshire past the official admissions date.[3]"

I hope this helps as a starting point and hasn't been off-putting. I think it's a good sign that you're reaching out in a number of ways. You've got some good editors that have already provided feedback about content and had more input left here, too - which I think is a great sign that there are a number of people engaged in working with you!--CaroleHenson (talk) 07:47, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Agree with Cullen above and I also left a comment on the Cote talk page. I will probably be accused of not assuming AGF or biting the newbies but at this point I think FacultiesIntact is taking up a lot of the time of people who unlike him (or her) are not being paid. As Cullen has said, FI has been told repeatedly what is needed, they should just get on with it rather than endlessly forum shopping to try to find someone who will uncritically do their bidding. Enough already! Philafrenzy (talk) 10:22, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

FacultiesIntact, If you would like some help reviewing the comments that have come in so far, along with your proposed changes, I would be happy to help - taking it a section at a time.--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:34, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Help for new editor

Hi there, a new editor is having problems getting her article accepted. It is "Birth pools" on my talk page. Could you help her? Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 11:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Gandydancer, I couldn't tell what needs to be done. The article is in article space. What am I missing?--CaroleHenson (talk) 16:00, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Carole, thanks. I noted that Birth Pool is also a trade-marked name: [1], so will watch the article closely to make certain that no COI creeps into the article. Gandydancer (talk) 16:46, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Gandydancer, that's a very good point and find, just to ensure that there are no COI issues. Thanks for that!--CaroleHenson (talk) 16:50, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Today's articles for improvement

• Hello CaroleHenson:

This week's voting for TAFI's upcoming weekly collaboration has begun at Week 18 of 2015. Thanks for participating!

Sent by User:Northamerica1000 using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 15, 2015)

The wheel is one of the most famous and useful inventions in the history of technology Hello, CaroleHenson. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: History of technology Previous selections: Garbage picking • Antagonist Get involved with the TAFI project! You can... Nominate an article Review nominations Have your say in future selections Posted by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of EuroCarGT (talk) 00:14, 6 April 2015 (UTC) •

Adoption

Hi Carole, I need help with my first article, can you help edit my first article after I publish it? Phd.dr.candidate (talk) 16:41, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Carole, I thinking on contributing on the topic on happiness economics. It is a new research area and I see some article that are inaccurate or incomplete, but I do not want my edits to step on other people's toes, so I would like to start a new article and provide references and maybe you can validate and help me refine it. Do I post the article to my sandbox first, or just create it? Also if I post the article to sandbox, can it be viewed by you and others who want to help?