::{{U|Hpe3121}} One thing. You say he has been in the AdNews Power 50 since 2005, but the ref is only for 2005. Need to add a ref for each year he was in. After that, copy it over to article space. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite#top|talk]]) 20:49, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
::{{U|Hpe3121}} One thing. You say he has been in the AdNews Power 50 since 2005, but the ref is only for 2005. Need to add a ref for each year he was in. After that, copy it over to article space. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite#top|talk]]) 20:49, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello Bgwhite, I have updated the citation for the "AdNews Power 50" and "since 2005". I will copy it over to the article space now. I can't thank you enough for your patience and help. [[User:Hpe3121|Hpe3121]] ([[User talk:Hpe3121|talk]]) 01:15, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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Your bot has made some strange edits to article Trerice on 03:12, 13 May 2015 which has resulted in several external links in refs being hidden. Where previously a ref was "See[External link]", your bot appears to have changed it to "[External link See]", which gave the result "See". (the word "See" was placed in front of the ext link to stop bot messages highlighting a bare URL). Please look at the reflist for the article. This is a problem which I would be grateful if you would address, thanks.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 11:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC))[reply]
Lobsterthermidor AWB did things correctly. One doesn't use just "see" and one doesn't surround the url with brackets. The "See" should be removed... Either put a title in the ref or remove the brackets. They are also not external links. If they are inside ref tags, they are references. Bgwhite (talk) 04:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Hey I added the sections to create a more substantial article. Instead of deleting please just change the references as necessary. Thank you, given the subject is a very personal one for a lot of people rather then press revert edit the page. This would allow people to recognize a modern world problem that's really not different from the other pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgbug3 (talk • contribs) 02:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Dgbug3 It is your job to add references, not mine. You are the one adding the material. You just added over 100 links. They range from unreliable sources to good sources. If they are just listed one after another, it does no good. Please follow WP:CITE. Look at other articles and how they do them. If you have specific questions, please ask me. The article needs some severe cleaning up or it will be reverted again. Bgwhite (talk) 04:18, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Did you delete the conclusion I added to the entry on the Malaysian architect T. Y. Lee?
I was trying to add more context, to possibly move the article out of the stub class. There isn't much information available on this once important architect, so the info. is valuable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MAHinch (talk • contribs) 10:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. I just thought I should say make sure that you do not break anything with AWB. You seem to have made an odd edit on 2014 International Champions Cup that only broke the table on the page. The edit did not seem to do anything other than break the table and change the title to a perfectly fine reference. Not a huge deal, but just be careful in the future. Try previewing the page when doing more technical actions like that. Thanks. SAJ(T)20:44, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Need an awake admin
A new user and their sock are running amok on Manhattan, mass-deleting stuff, edit-warring, and pretending to actually be at war with each other. I posted a notice on Malik Shabazz's talk page over an hour ago, but like nearly every other admin in Christendom, he is AFK. Care to look and block them? The two accounts don't merit going through normal channels (have both been warned hours ago) because he is so obvious. I promise you they are the same person. Softlavender (talk) 08:21, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Softlavender Well, awake doesn't mean thinking. Then again, "thinking" and "admin" have never been used in the same sentence. I protected the article and blocked HofstraStud, but I wasn't sure about EliteSchoolKid. Bgwhite (talk) 08:30, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi, in Manhattan, on the "Eduacation and scholarly activites" section, could you please change " Yeshiva University, and a part of Hofstra University and Fordham University campuses. " to "Yeshiva University, Fordham University, and a part of Hofstra University campus." According to Fordham's website, it has two main campuses [16]. Fordham has an 8 acre campus in Manhattan that includes general undergraduate Fordham college [17], both graduate and undergarduate business schools [18], School of law, School of social work, Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, School of Continuing and Professional Studies and School of Education.[19]. Its a full campus with many buildings. As for Hofstra, they have executive MBA classes inside a room at Manhattan Eye, Ear and Throat Hospital in Manhattan.[20] That might not be classified as a campus.--EliteSchoolKid (talk) 18:28, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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I am unclear why we need a history merge here. It doesn't seem like they copy/pasted your version into the mainspace. All this would do is modify the history to show you as the creator, which is not what happened. If you wan to change the mainspace article, that is fine, but throwing your edits at the start of an article someone else created does not seem right. --kelapstick(bainuu) 11:04, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was working on the article in draft-space, and that's why the drafts are, we can merge them into the mainspace if someone creates the article without knowing the draft. --Captain Assassin!«T ♦ C ♦ G»16:41, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But again, that gives the impression that you created the article that is in the mainspace, which you did not. It attaches a false history to the article, and that is not what history merging is for. --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:04, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedily deleted redirect
Please explain how a redirect to a disambiguation page is a "redirect to itself". I am trying to understand why a redlink seems to be the preferred option. I was advised earlier that such a redirect is the desired option because the disambiguation page contains information about the actor, which is better for the average reader since the redlink points nowhere. Thank you in advance for your input. EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 17:09, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
EauZenCashHaveIt It was a redirect to itself. A redirect from Jamie Jackson (actor) to Jamie Jackson is also going to be deleted. People don't type in "Jamie Jackson (actor)", they just look for "Jamie Jackson". Jamie Jackson (actor) should not be included on the disambig page. Generally, there should be no redlinks on disamb pages per MOS:DABRL, WP:REDLINK and WP:LISTPEOPLE.
The advice given by Willondon that there should be no redlinks is wrong and he pointed to an essay and not policy. WP:REDLINK clearly says redlinks are fine. If any person is removing redlinks because they don't like them, they should stop.
If Jamie Jackson is not going to be notable in the foreseeable future, then there should be no links, just leave his name as text. I did a quick look and Jackson maybe notable in the future. This is tough because it is a grey area. I can understand anyone saying there should or shouldn't be a redlink in this case. Personally, I wouldn't link him. Just leave his name as text. If he does become notable, it is easy enough to add them later. Bgwhite (talk) 20:29, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That was EXACTLY my point! The trouble is that both Midas02 and Bkonrad have been forcefully inserting that redlink into the articles and the disambiguation page for several weeks now, and being thoroughly tired of the unnecessary edit war, I created the redirect as a middle ground. The redirect pointed to the disambiguation page James Jackson☆, which is currently the only page (besides the draft) that actually contains information about this actor. The disambiguators are still insisting that the redlink be everywhere, including on the disambiguation page. Please advise. EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 00:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your edits but did you swap two references (Dunning and Atkinson) to make them alphabetical? They were consecutive. I haven't got a clue about the abbreviated citations using the <> system, hence me changing some broken ones to Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page)., I only really understand sfn's. RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 05:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keith-264 Alot of refs were changed, especially to named refs. If swaps were done, then they were numerical order. That article could really use a conversion to sfns. Bgwhite (talk) 06:31, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Quite agree, it's finding the time. PS sometimes there's a clean-up edit where the original passage has a minus sign in the margin and the amended one a plus sign but no obvious change to the new version, don't suppose you know why? RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 06:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keith-264 Pffft... time. That's no excuse (as my wife says as she hits me an orders me do it now). Do you have an example? Adding/Removing a blank line is the first thing that pops into my mind. Bgwhite (talk) 06:50, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keith-264 The diff you gave is adding and deleting lines. A blank line is added above the section headings per MOS:HEAD... The heading must be typed on a separate line. Include one blank line above the heading... At the bottom, in the external links section, it is removing a blank line. Bgwhite (talk) 07:04, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted article due to copyright infringement (G12)
Hello Bgwhite, This is my first article and I have just figured out how to contact you so please bear with me. You have deleted my article titled "Darren Woolley" due to a G12 copyright infringement. This article is about Darren Woolley, the CEO of TrintyP3.com. The information in question is about Darren and I have permission from Darren to use it. It is a paraphrased paragraph about his early work life. I don't know how to rewrite this information without mentioning where he started his career. I have also cited his "about Darren Woolley" page on the TrinityP3 website as the source. Can you please give me some direction as to how I can restore this page without having to worry about any further deletions? Much appreciated.Hpe3121 (talk) 07:17, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hpe3121 This is the right way to contact me. The problem is that under U.S. Law, there has to be written permission to use copyrighted material. You can use the TrinityP3 webpage as a source, but you will need to put it in your own words.
Not sure what you are doing, but the article looks horrible. The sandbox page is much better. Somehow you are copy/pasting it wrong.
You are going to need to add inline refs, and not just list the refs at the end of the article. See Help:Footnotes for more info.
I'd work on your sandbox page. Remove the copyright problems and work on the refs. When you are ready, give me a yell. I can look it over and then I can hopefully move it to article space. Bgwhite (talk) 07:28, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Bgwhite. This is a big help. I will follow your advice and get back to you when I have updated the article in the Sandbox. Very much appreciated!Hpe3121 (talk) 07:41, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Bgwhite, I worked in the Sandbox and cited all the references as you suggested. Please check my page in the Sandbox to ensure it is ok to cut and paste to my article page - "Darren Woolley".
Also, I don't know why, but when I cut and pasted from the Sandbox to the 'Darren Woolley' page the last time, something weird happened and the page looked horrible. If I have the same issue, can I call on you to help me with this?
ie =>Darren Woolley started his working life as a scientist at the Royal Children’s Hospital Neuropathology Laboratory in Melbourne, Australia, undertaking research in myopathies, neuropathies, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and Repetitive Strain Injury.
I rewrote it (below) but it is still contains several of the same nouns which can't be helped. It's a tough one. Is this ok?
At the beginning of his career, Woolley worked at the MelbourneRoyal Children's Hospital Neuropathology Laboratory, Australia, as a scientist under Dr Xenia Dennett. The research Woolley carried out was on Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, Repetitive Strain Injury, neuropathies and myopathies.
Many thanks and very much appreciated Hpe3121 (talk) 00:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hpe3121 I did some cleaning up. The reason why it looks bad when you copy it over is because you are using tabs. It appears you are copying/pasting from another source and its not in wiki format. Wiki format is not text or html. You might want to use Visual Editor... click the "edit" tab and not the "edit source" tab.
The refs you used in the article were not refs. It needs to source what the previous statement says. If he is the Telecast Liaison, then you need to give the webpage where it says this, not the homepage to the telethon. Without these refs, the page will still be deleted.
I removed the education section, speaking section and the section on the companies. These are not needed. The article is about Woolley, not his company. I'm not sure what to do with the articles and reference sections... the could be refs and combined into the article.
Do you have the ISBN numbers for the books? ISBN should be used over ASIN numbers.
Hello Bgwhite,
I have updated the ref's on the page and deleted the 'References' list that I had originally created.
I have also added the ISBN numbers for the books and tidied up the 'Articles' list using Wiki format.
Please check my page and let me know how I'm doing? Is it ready to go yet?
Thank you for your help once again. I really do appreciate this. Hpe3121 (talk) 04:55, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am in the process of getting the correct ISBN numbers.
I have referenced "The Most Powerful People in Advertising since 2005"
I have referenced the first of the last 2 paragraphs in the "Early Working Life and Career" section. I don't know if this reference is ideal. It talks about the host of the show in the text and Darren Woolley isn't mentioned as co-host until you click on the podcast (on the same page) where he is introduced as the co-host. If this is not ok, I won't have a reference for this. Do I have to have one?
I am looking for a reference for the second of the last 2 paragraphs in the "Early Working Life and Career" section. Again, do I have to have a reference? Darren Woolley does this job as a volunteer.
Hpe3121 In theory, every statement needs a reference. The problem with Woolley is he is borderline "notable". The article could still be deleted for Woolley not being notable. The best way to overcome that is to have references about Woolley that doesn't come Woolley or one of his companies. So, showing you have refs for the statements, will head off any deletion. Bgwhite (talk) 06:20, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks - good advice. I have added the correct ISBN to the 2014 book. Still waiting on the 2013 ISBN.
Is the reference for the first of the last 2 paragraphs in the "Early Working Life and Career" section not good.
Would it be better to remove the statements if I can't find a suitable reference?
Also, if I removed the 2013 book until I get the ISBN (and the statements), would it be OK to publish it?
Basically, what more would I need to do to publish it asap? Thanks again, this has been a big learning curve for me. Hpe3121 (talk) 08:34, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again Bgwhite. With regard to my earlier message:
I have removed the unreferenced statements from 'Early Working Life and Career'.
I have also removed the 2013 book as I don't have the correct ISBN.
Please advise if I can publish this on Darren Woolley's Wikipedia page.
Hpe3121 One thing. You say he has been in the AdNews Power 50 since 2005, but the ref is only for 2005. Need to add a ref for each year he was in. After that, copy it over to article space. Bgwhite (talk) 20:49, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Bgwhite, I have updated the citation for the "AdNews Power 50" and "since 2005". I will copy it over to the article space now. I can't thank you enough for your patience and help. Hpe3121 (talk) 01:15, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks Bgwhite, this has been extremely helpful. I will work on the ref's then get back to you before I recreate the page. Many thanks for your help. Hpe3121 (talk) 07:42, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Bgwhite
You were warmly recommended to me by Dontreader.
He said that in the past you'd helped him a lot and I hope that finally my issue will be fixed.
I wrote an article about a band named Stormy Atmosphere (the link to the article is in the title)
It was declined many times since I am a beginner in my Wiki journey, but people like Dontreader helped me a lot and I learned my lessons.
So I resubmitted my article again almost a month ago, meanwhile it's still waiting for approval, and I think that other articles get before him for some reason, because I had less than a 1000 articles before mine two weeks ago and now it's more than 1300 (!)
I contacted FoCuSandLeArN - the moderator who asked me about the article , and he says that if the band hasn't been in a chart it's not notable and the article will be declined...
Can I get another opinion somehow?
Please don't get me wrong, but as far as I've checked, being in a chart is not the only notability criteria for a band.
For instance, I believe if a band is signed up in a label from another country is enough for notability, right?
(Please check the [metalscraprecords.com] website, a cd section - Stormy Atmosphere are already signed there, and the album "Pent Letters" will be out soon under the label promotion.)
Moreover, Stormy Atmosphere has enough proofs of existence and proofs of performances hand-to-hand with world-famous artists (Mike Terrana, Pain of Salvation, Andromeda, The Flower Kings), and have an album where a famous singer participates (Tom Englund). Besides, I believe that "Fireworks" magazine is independent enough, and they did write about the band in 2009 (the reference to the magazine is in the article: Baldrian, Nicky (8 October 2009). "The music is out there". Fireworks (37): 88.)
Again, don't get me wrong, but for almost a year I find myself having this conversation again and again with many Wiki moderators, and finally they do agree that Stormy Atmosphere deserves being mentioned, but then the article goes to another moderator and I got to explain everything from the beginning...
Thank you for your time and please consider my persistence, I'll be much obliged for your help Silverray123 (talk) 14:52, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Silverray123 I don't know... Dontreader is very shifty and smells funny. I'd use my mother-in-law as a reference over Dontreader. :) Music is not one of my specialties, but I can have look. For bands in non "popular" genres, it can be harder to get an article because mainstream press ignores them. This is going to require some time to look at the sources and how reliable they are. Give me a day or two. Bgwhite (talk) 18:16, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Bgwhite, I cannot believe you said that to the only person on Wikipedia who had some respect for me. Actually, I was going to tell you how to have your own article on the Malagasy language Wikipedia. I had already paid off the key people there, just for you. But now you can forget about it. No one in Madagascar will ever learn about Bgwhite's legendary accomplishments {{wicked laughter}}. But that's not all. I swear I will marry Meghan from the Redhead Express before you can get divorced and get out of that nightmare with your mother-in-law. I sent Meghan lots of Swiss chocolate, the finest, and look at the private video she sent back to show her deep gratitude. I just wanted to have a sweet friendship with her but now I'll marry her out of spite. Dontreader (talk) 20:43, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Bgwhite,
Please inform me if you had time to check the article, I can't wait to receive an answer about it. Thanks a lot!
I spoke to FoCuSandLeArN, but he doesn't want to accept any proofs and says that all my references are too minor for him. I'm stuck again and you guys are the only people to help me with this never-ending "saga"...
Another thing: there is some weird line that appeared in my article (Dontreader noticed that too),
and I would like to know if it's something important, or pasted accidentally by one of the moderators, and - maybe that's the reason the article approval is delayed...
That's the line:
" Sailor|declinets=20150309002950|ts=20150303164456}} "
And another thing: The band officially informed that they were signed up at [metalscraprecords.com], and their second album Pent Letters will be officially released worldwide at September 2015 - will it help if I add this to the article?
Thanks a lot,
Silverray123 (talk) 10:35, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Most venerable Bgwhite, I checked the page where drafts are waiting to be reviewed (I submitted one too - you've got to admit I have excellent taste), and I'm quite sure that it's almost this person's turn, so no action is needed, unless the draft is declined, in which case you must overrule that abomination because that's what administrators are here for. Dontreader (talk) 01:06, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Dontreader and Silverray123: It doesn't matter if the reference comes from a minor or major source. All thats matters is that the source is independent and reliable. Nowhere in WP:VERIFY does it say major or minor. Of course, if the reference is in Haaretz or Yedioth Ahronoth rather than some small town newspaper, it sure does help.
The concert announcements don't count. In your refs (JAMI Fest for example) just lists the group. As info usually comes from the group, any in-depth info usually doesn't count.
Blogs and Facebook also don't count.
ProgStage, Metalist and Nitelinx refs are dead.
Sea Of Tranquility, Metalist Magazine, Music Waves, Progressor and Metal Temple appear to be the only refs that could count towards notability. The problem with these is that they are reviews for the albums. I'm not a music expert, but this looks iffy at best. The best route I see, is to copy the article from Draft space to Article space and bypass articles for creation. If somebody wants an article to be deleted, it would have to go before Articles for deletion. Usually it takes multiple people to say "delete" for an article to be deleted.
Bgwhite, thanks so much for taking some time to analyze the draft and the overall situation. I was able to bring Progstage and Nitelinx back from the dead. The Metalist refs still work for me. I agree that Facebook is not ideal but sometimes primary sources are used if there is no reason to doubt the information, such as if an artist provides certain facts on Twitter or Facebook like at what age they picked up a guitar for the first time. But probably this Facebook claim is more important. Anyway, your solution sounds great. I know how to create articles from scratch without going through draft reviews first. So please, in this case how can @Silverray123: get the draft into article space and delete the draft that is awaiting a review? I have no clue.
Finally, I had prayed fervently for an hour right before you showed me those hellish Lordi videos. I was particularly fond of the doll video, which apparently the girl offers as a sacrifice. But now I have to pray again for another hour, and it's after 3 in the morning. It's the only way to sort of keep my 17 demons under control. And I must emphasize sort of. Oh darn it, I'm beginning to levitate again. Dontreader (talk) 09:23, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Dontreader I have not seen the spawn of Satan for over a month. This was due to me being sick and her getting surgery (can't remember if it was wing or horn surgery). When I do see it, I will ask that it spare you of some of her demons. 17 does seem a bit drastic, even for her. You are lucky if you are just levitating. The demons cause me to spew forth from my mouth... much messier to clean up. Bgwhite (talk) 21:47, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for all your help,
I believe there is nothing to worry then, if there're some references that seem okay to you guys, and I really bet a lot on the Fireworks magazine reference, since it's a well-known paper.
About moving it to Articles section - won't I be punished by some raging Wiki editor with some forever-deleting? After all this long-term saga of being declined, I'd like to go as straight as possible... How does it work best?
Best Silverray123 (talk) 13:23, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Silverray123 It is not necessary to create an article via AFC. However, it is recommend for new users because one can get feedback. If anybody does punish you by going bezerk, they are out of line. The downside to this.. if it is deleted via Articles for Deletion, it deleted and you can't recreate it unless something major happens to the group. There should be a "move" tab at the top. Click on it and move the article. You will need to edit the article to remove all the Article for Creation boxes. Bgwhite (talk) 21:47, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
sigh pic
I noticed you sigh on the talk of the missed master of the pics, - here's one he found for me, - about consolation see my user page, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Eddaido I'm not exactly sure on that table. The main problem is the large images. Photos larger than 100px are hard and the cars are over 250px. The bottom big text box is another issue. My first guess would be to make the image part of the top row... How this table has photos part of the row. Bgwhite (talk) 23:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from June 9. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from June 10. It will be on all Wikipedias from June 11 (calendar). [32][33]
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Hi BG. I've removed all the dross from this article which you had previously removed but was re-added by the article's creator yesterday. Can you continue to keep an eye on it? I'm sort of at my wits end with that editor. See my latest "conversation" with her. Nothing seems to sink in . It all goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished, I guess. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't really remove it by Prod, because no reason was specified. I can immediately tell there are problems, but I do not want to judge by myself whether they could be solved by rewriting. Please use afd. DGG ( talk ) 15:15, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have AfD'd it. Did a bit of a clean up and a bit of a search - unlike usually, I didn't bother with anything overly detailed because I think you and I both know that this is a hopeless case, though the tribe does exist. That's experience, I guess: every recent DGG dePROD about a caste/tribe seems to have ended up being deleted anyway when it got to AfD. I'll probably get lambasted for not checking Urdu sources, nonetheless. - Sitush (talk) 17:22, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sitush I understand DGG's reasoning in this case. The same editor has been causing havoc in Mastoi. I truly don't know how you can keep all this straight, especially with all the older info being bad. Bgwhite (talk) 21:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is simple. Add Mastoi to the AfD. It is not going to get sourced in any meaningful way. We've really got to get a grip on this over-inclusionism. The good faith default to include is precisely why we end up with crap and trouble like this, and it drains both the time and the morale of regulars. - Sitush (talk) 04:35, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
