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Your submission at Articles for creation: User:Black Yodel No.1/Mike Johnson, Country Music's No.1 Black Yodeler (September 15)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! The submission has not been accepted because it included copyrighted information, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. You are welcome to write an article on the subject, but please do not use copyrighted work.

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j⚛e decker ^talk 16:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Black Yodel No.1, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering or curious about why your article submission was declined please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there!

Please tell me what copyrighted information you are referring to?

Matt Galligan cut the "Mike Johnson Country Music's No.1 Black Yodeler" biography from one of my old sites and pasted it on his! I own Roughshod Records and Joe Arnold is the label manager. If you look at the bottom of the article you will see my copyright notification.

Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question

Hello, Black Yodel No.1! I'm Timtrent. I have replied to your question about a submission at the WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk. Fiddle Faddle 19:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am Mike Johnson, Country Music's No.1 Black Yodeler, owner of Roughshod Records, Pata del Lobo Music, You and Me Music, and a member of America's Old Time Country Music Hall of Fame.

Matt Galligan did NOT write that article on his site! He cut and pasted it from my site! Mike Johnson, 703-671 0935

No-one is about to phone that number. Please read the item linked from the section below's title. It tells you what is required. Fiddle Faddle 20:35, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To hell with all of you! I've had enough of your bullshit! Mike Johnson

Please do not display attitudes like that when we are trying to help you. I wish I had not bothered now, but, if you ask politely I will still help you. Carry on like that comment you just made and there is not a snowball's chance in hell that anyone will help. Fiddle Faddle 20:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WIkipedia:Donating copyright material

We protect copyright here. We also have no idea who you are. This is the internet. Please read the page linked from the title of this section. That wuill tell you how to proceed. Fiddle Faddle 20:12, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Mike Johnson (yodeler) (July 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by MatthewVanitas was:

Hello, I think it pretty likely that Johnson might indeed qualify for an article, but you've got some sourcing and formatting issues to clean up.

First off, don't indent the start of paragraphs. Leaving a blank space at the start of a new block of text is what's causing those weird gray boxes

like this

So first things first, go Edit the page and make sure there's no space before the start of any paragraph/line. That'll make this way easier to read.
Next, you have some sourcing, but none of it is placed as footnotes. See WP:Referencing for beginners for how to code footnotes. That way, we'll be able to see which sources prove which facts, instead of just having a bunch of claimed sources lumped at the bottom.

Please fix those issues first, then click Resubmit, and we'll do a next review. Please bear in mind it usually takes a couple reviews to get an article published, so please don't get discouraged by the Decline notices. Those don't mean "no way, never", those mean "not how it is right now, and here's what you need to know to fix it."

Great start, interesting and valid topic, just needs some improving to get published.

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MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Publishing article as a stub

Hello Mike, I'm on vacation so don't want to leave you hanging, so here's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to publish your article as-is, but then immediately cut it down to a short stub which will be *completely* in-line with Wikipedia requirements, but will involve cutting out most of the current info. That info is not lost forever, it is fully visible by clicking the "History" tab at the top of the page, and I'll leave a note on the Talk page explaining that there's a lot of former content that didn't make the cut, but can be useful for further study.

I wanted to have a longer reply to your questions, but need to finish packing and catch a train later today, so all I can say at the moment is that I've been doing Wikipedia for 7 years, so I do have good reasons. If you would like a clearer response (which is totally understandable), I'd recommend you copy your question and paste it at WP:Teahouse, where there are a bunch of volunteer mentors who will be happy to chat with you at more length, and some of whom might be interested in improving the article.

I do apologize that I ran into a busy time for me so can't make this a big project, but as promised I'm making sure I get at least the basic stub article up there. Please do not try to expand it yourself, since it's simply impossible to write neutrally about yourself (see our guideline WP:Autobiography for explanation), but do feel welcome to upload a photo for it, so long as you totally understand and agree that uploading a photo entails releasing the copyright under WP:Creative Commons. See WP:Uploading images for more guidance.

Sorry for my rush, but this at least gets your page up and running. And please do feel free to talk to the Teahouse folks, very friendly and helpful people whose whole goal is helping others use Wikipedia. I might be back in the Washington DC area later this year or early next, so if I do and you like I can ping you then on your website, and buy you a whiskey or a root beer, as you prefer, to say hello. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Mike Johnson (yodeler) has been accepted

Mike Johnson (yodeler), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
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MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:23, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (July 10)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Timtrent was:

This is not an article. If you want to make comments do so on the talk pages of the editors with whom you believe you have a quarrel or on the relevant article talk page The process you have chosen is not the one to choose, and the information will be disregarded

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Fiddle Faddle 20:55, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Black Yodel No.1. You have new messages at Timtrent's talk page.
Message added 21:21, 10 July 2015 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

Fiddle Faddle 21:21, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Understanding how Wikipedia does things

Hello Mike, I see you have some concerns about the article. First off, I want to note that this is exactly why we always tell people don't try to write your own article on Wikipedia. I was willing to write one for you because I think you're an interesting subject, but you really need to stop trying to work on your own article. It is absolutely impossible for you to be objective about your own work, and also you keep trying to make edits which are not properly sourced. To answer a few points:

Why are the links to the National Traditional Country Music Association pages and the Library of Congress Recorded Sound Reference Center underlined in red as non-existent? These sites do exist. They are non-existed on Wikipedia; we aren't saying they're non-existent in general, just that nobody has written an article about them here yet. The red means "someone should write an article about them". Before they were blue because you were re-routing the link to go to their own homepage, but we don't allow such external links to be used in the middle of the page like that, and also because that obscures the fact that we need somebody to write those articles.
Regarding your nickname: if you say Plantenga is wrong, I've removed the nickname. However, you cannot simply go and fill in whatever nickname you want in its place, unless you have a clearly cited source.
You really need to read our guideline/warning WP:Autobiography to understand exactly why you shouldn't be messing with your biography. You should not be making any edits on that page except to remove blatant vandalism. Again, you are literally the last person on earth who should be editing your own biography on Wikipedia, because doing so compromises the neutrality of the project.
Lastly, I really suggest you read WP:Verifiability, not truth. The long/short is that a given fact is only useful if it can be cited to a good source, and no matter how true a fact is, it's no good on an encyclopedia without citation. So while we of course recognize that in the larger world, accuracy is the goal, on an encyclopedia our concern is how documentable a fact is. So on a certain level, we literally don't care whether a fact in Plantenga's book or in a Washington Post article is completely accurate, we care that it's clearly documented. Whereas if you make "corrections" based on your personal knowledge, that just makes the article weaker because each such edit decreases its Verifiability.

At this point, you really need to just accept that you have a biography on Wikipedia, and it's sourced to published works, and be (moderately) happy with that. Wikipedia is absolutely not here for you to "get the rest of the story out", or "build your brand" or whatnot, we're just here to compile and organize information that has already been published by neutral experts. So please refrain from trying to edit your own article, it always ends badly and wastes time for everyone involved to have to change things back and forth, and just trust the Wikipedia community to do our best to keep things running smoothly. MatthewVanitas (talk) 10:40, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

July 2015

Hello, I'm JJMC89. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions —the one you made with this edit to Mike Johnson (yodeler)— because it didn’t appear constructive to me. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. — JJMC89 (T·E·C) 20:09, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you reverting back to the incorrect information? I already told everyone to cease and delete everything. According to Matthew, Wikipedia isn't interested in accurate information, only citable sources. So DELETE everything! I viewed a dozen different wikipedia articles on other country music artists and I don't see where my original draft was any different their coverage. Yet mine gets stripped down to next to nothing. DELETE EVERYTHING! I've been performing music since the mid-1960s and producing it since 1981. I have an international following and I can't allow you to continue this blatant attempt to minimize me and my music.

Please do not issue threats against other editors. You were told that an autobiography was a bad thing. You wanted it. Now you have got it. There is no reason to delete it unless you are not notable. You insist that you are notable. That notability is proven. I will, however, send it for a deletion discussion, something that will establish whether it is to be kept or not. You may contribute to that discussion. If you do I advise you to measure your words and attitude. Fiddle Faddle 22:48, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Mike Johnson (yodeler) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mike Johnson (yodeler) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Johnson (yodeler) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Fiddle Faddle 22:52, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any threats. The passages that Matthew used from Bart Plantenga's book are incorrect! The best way to resolve this is to DELETE everything. I'm not that desperate to be on wikipedia! DELETE EVERYTHING!

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			I don't see any threats. The passages that Matthew used from Bart Plantenga's book are incorrect! The best way to resolve this is to DELETE everything. I'm not that desperate to be on wikipedia! DELETE EVERYTHING!