Talk:Bill Farmer

Non-canon Star Wars

Why is this template here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.246.16 (talk) 15:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Picture

Could someone please put an image of Mr. Bill Farmer on here. Thanks. -Dpm12 November 17, 2010 at 8:30 AM PST.

Additional voices

In this edit I removed a large amount of unsourced, non-notable "additional voices" roles from the article on the basis that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. This is policy. We are not IMDb, which is where this trivial content presumably belongs. There is a link at the bottom of the article to his IMDb page, where interested readers can learn more. Our duty here is to present a general overview of a subject, not to catalog every aspect of the person's life. And, again, it was all unsourced anyway. Please note that per WP:BURDEN, which is Wikipedia policy, the onus would be on anyone restoring the content to find reliable sources, but per WP:V, Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

According to my re-search I've been looking at, it said he was in those films. http://www.toonhouseinc.com/about/ FrozenFan2 (talk) 03:46, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

FrozenFan2 I'm assuming you didn't read any of my comment or the links that I pointed to, or the bright green quoted text "Verifiability doesn't guarantee inclusion"? If you're going to disagree, you're going to need to address the points raised, not just "oh, well this source says that he provided non-notable roles in a bunch of movies", and then move on. The fact that the content is unsourced is only part of the problem. The indiscriminate nature of the content is the other significant part of the problem, and the "We are not IMDb" part is another aspect. What might make more sense is to summarize his non-notable roles in prose the way the blog does. "Farmer has performed voices for ancillary characters in over NNN movies including (maybe 5 or so notable major films). Since you may not be thinking of the grander picture because of your lack of experience here, these indiscriminate lists just invite more cruft and more unsourced, and dubious roles. We should be focused on roles that are verifiable, i.e. significant named roles. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:04, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

And you right, and I apologize. FrozenFan2 (talk) 12:55, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll make my experience a little better here on the site, I'm sorry Cyphoidbomb. FrozenFan2 (talk) 13:04, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

• While unsourced/poorly sourced roles should be cited or removed, I should state that "additional voices" doesn't automatically equate to "non-notable role". Filmography boxes don't leave out roles solely for being "trivial". Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:11, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

And I agree with you too, i won;t add them back again. FrozenFan2 (talk) 13:38, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

SNUGGUMS re: I should state that "additional voices" doesn't automatically equate to "non-notable role". Without any community policy contrary to WP:INDISCRIMINATE, or more likely, a local Biog/Film/TV guideline that supercedes the existing policy, I could as simply counter-argue "yes it does" and re-point to my "We are not IMDb" argument. If the roles are significant, there would presumably be names and context, and I neither see anywhere in MOS:TV or MOS:FILM that gives weight to the inclusion of "Additional voices" nor do I notice any guideline that suggests we are here to catalog every role a subject has performed. In my experience, the people who tend to be most gung-ho about these inclusions are fans who mistakenly think Wikipedia should be a mirror for IMDb. We are supposed to summarize the most notable aspects of notable subjects. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:01, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

WP:INDISCRIMINATE does not apply here. In my personal experience, filmography sections (or pages if split off from bio article) give comprehensive listings of reliably sourced roles. However, to be fair, "additional voices" is often included along with named roles in shows. It could come off as incomplete to not include all roles. "We are not IMDb" isn't much of a point since their listings aren't always accurate. This concept is probably worth bringing up on the WikiProjects for Television, film, and actors. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:03, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

IP user

I've been looking at the history of edits on this page, and I notice an IP user was adding unsourced roles in the article. Is this the best time if we should lock/protect the page so no edit war won't happen?, and so the IP user won't keep on vandalizing the page over and over? FrozenFan2 (talk) 23:15, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

We should only protect the page if the IP keeps hopping or if multiple IPs are being used. The IP in question has been blocked. If they persist, we can block them for longer. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:37, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

That's good. FrozenFan2 (talk) 03:44, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Actor in occupation section

Since we already know he did some live-action acting work in the 80's and 90's, RoboCop and Pumpkin Man. Should we add "Actor" in his occupation section in the info box? even though he hasn't done live-action acting work on screen for decades now, and he mostly does voice acting work. Should we add that, or maybe it's not important at all. FrozenFan2 (talk) 02:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

No, the roles aren't even starring roles. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:58, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok, just asking. FrozenFan2 (talk) 12:13, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

It's a good question though. Most voice actors have had stage and on-screen roles in their career. If he was primarily known for his work on-screen like with Mark Hamill, David Faustino and Wil Wheaton, or had a sizable roles in live-action shows like with Kevin Michael Richardson.— Preceding unsigned comment added by AngusWOOF (talk • contribs)

Really!?!, I thought my question wasn't that great. But I guess it is a good question though. FrozenFan2 (talk) 17:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism

We need to be vigilant about the inclusion of unsourced and trivial content in this article. There has been an IP-hopping vandal who continues to submit trivial and likely hoax content to this article, like here or here or here. The nature of these additions, non-notable roles like Soldier #3, Bug #3 is problematic because verification is difficult. I think we should revert unsourced content on sight, not just from IPs, and we should focus on notable roles. Wikipedia is not IMDb. The behavior is reminiscent of LTA "Voice Cast Vandal". Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

• The IP user is still adding those unsourced roles I've been noticing, is this the best time we should protect the page? FrozenFan2 (talk) 22:59, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Hatting off topic items that have little to do with Cyphoidbomb's original post. MarnetteD|Talk 04:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Someone who is adding unsourced info like this should not be asking others about page protection. MarnetteD|Talk 00:26, 17 July 2015 (UTC) If you can do me a favor and stop following me and please stop getting on my case please, it's really driving me nuts already. Your really starting to get on my nerves now. FrozenFan2 (talk) 02:33, 17 July 2015 (UTC) Your constant ignoring Wikipedia editing policies and guidelines is getting on everyone's nerves. Wikipedia is not your playground. MarnetteD|Talk 03:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC) Sigh...., you are hard to get along with sometimes when you say lies like this to other users.... FrozenFan2 (talk) 03:05, 17 July 2015 (UTC) An accusation like that requires proof - oh and it does not belong on this talk page. MarnetteD|Talk 03:20, 17 July 2015 (UTC) I need to know what you name is because your going to get sued pretty soon! FrozenFan2 (talk) 03:30, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Disney Sports games and Disney's Party in filmography

Those games are missing in his filmography, he voiced Goofy in those games. in the articles Wayne Allwine, Russi Taylor and Tony Anselmo they are credited in those games according to there filmography section and Bill Farmer is the only article that's missing those games, even Behind the Voice Actors.com say's he was in those games and voiced Goofy in them. 73.234.94.89 (talk) 23:19, 14 August 2015 (UTC)