Talk:Dota 2

DotA 2 is not a Moba

Every Multiplayer game is online.

Every versus multiplayer game is a battle.

The DotA map is not an arena.

Only because Riot_Games coined the term "Multiplayer Online Battle Arena" you shouldn't call every game remotely similar to League of Legends a MOBA. Dota has been an action real time strategy game, before the term MOBA even existed (for further proof search the forums of The Playdota forums. There are posts and threads about dota being called "Action Real Time Strategy Game" as old as the forum itself.). A game doesn't change its genre only because a new term was coined.

Not only this, but a DotA player will probably gut you when calling the game a MOBA. There's a rivalry between League of Legends and DotA 2 and calling DotA a MOBA, the term that got invented by Riot_Games only adds to said rivalry.

First of all you should know that Multiplayer online battle arena is also called action real-time strategy (ARTS). You could say DOTA is an ARTS if you don't like this whole "MOBA" thing, second of all some of your arguments are invalid.

• "Every Multiplayer game is online". - Have you every played multiplayer games like Contra which doesn't need an internet connection at all?
• "Every versus multiplayer game is a battle" - I'm not quite sure what you meant by that. But obviously in DOTA, two teams battle against each other. However you can't call every multiplayer game is a battle. For example you don't have to battle in SimCity, Sims online and some of those Facebook games. It's just a competition. Two different things
• "The DOTA map is not an arena" - Real life arena? No. But in terms of gaming? Yes.

P.S.: Next time please sign your comments by using four tildes (~~~~). Best -- Chamith (talk) 17:36, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

So why exactly are you not using the term ARTS in this wikipedia article but Multiplayer online battle arena, if both terms are basically the same?

How about clarifying on my invalid arguments? Every ONLINE multiplayer game is online. Every multiplayer game where you're playing specifically AGAINST other people is a battle. The DotA Map is indeed not an arena, not in terms of gaming, not in real life.

The term MOBA is simply too vague for describing games. Riot_Games chose this term themselves, which is why I don't mind League_of_Legends being called it, but let's apply the term MOBA to other online games.

The game Counter-Strike.

Multiplayer? Check. Online? Check. Battle? Check. Arena? If the DotA Map is an Arena, so are Counterstrike Maps. Therefor Check.

• Comment - Does the map look like this? No, right? -- Chamith (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Going further? The videogame Street Fighter.

Nosgoth.

Multiplayer? Check. Online? Check. Battle? Check. Arena? Check.

• Comment - Is there a map in Street Fighter? -- Chamith (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Multiplayer? Yes indeed. Online? The latest versions indeed have online play. Battle? Certainly there's battles. Arena? I'm sure there's a background you might call "Arena".

• Comment - While most describes it as a MOBA, Kelion, the developers, said it doesn't belong to MOBA. So as Wikipedia is an encyclopedia we have to mention exactly what the source says, not what some random players say. Tyneic I know you are desperate to prove that DOTA 2 is not a MOBA. But sadly for you, many sources support the claim that it is a MOBA. like User:Izno said original research is not accepted in Wikipedia. Thus we can't cite your statement as an affirm to not to call DOTA 2 a MOBA. Best -- Chamith (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I hope I made my point clear enough.

Tyneic (talk) 08:06, 6 July 2015 (UTC)Tyneic

Please provide reliable sources which verify your original research that "MOBA" is an "incorrect term" and that it is not also the more prevalent term as used by the community. All other points are irrelevant for Wikipedia. --Izno (talk) 13:07, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Music pack composer inclusion

For the infobox, do we add composers who have their music added as one of the music pack compendium rewards? (Chance Thomas and Julian Soule) Or do we just go with the default music composers (Tim Larkin and Jason Hayes) ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:13, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I would go with the default composers, since it is likely that a) many players keep the default one and b) many music packs will be added in the coming years. Also note that I think the Reborn client has another music pack, which may be from different composers. #!/bin/DokReggar -talk 08:31, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. I can include all the composers into the article proper later. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 10:19, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2015

Mahathirpanda2 (talk) 01:31, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Stickee (talk) 01:39, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

"The" Developer?

Small technicality, but the introduction refers to Icefrog as "the" developer of the original DOTA, but his article refers to him only as the "current" developer. It is my understanding that there were several DOTA devs so "a" developer would make more sense.