User talk:Timtrent

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Just a bit of Help?

Thanks for welcoming me on my talk page. Though I'm quickly becoming familiar with things, I'm not at a comfortable place yet, and I haven't found a mentor yet. I would appreciate it greatly if you wouldn't mind helping me out on just one thing by looking over the links below to the special article and special redirect page I created, to please let me know,

• What your best criticim/concern may be?
• Whether it would be acceptable to turn them into real articles?
  

User:Layman, Esq./Maxims of the common law
User:Layman, Esq./Rules of the common law

Regards,
Layman, Esq. (talk) 17:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC).

@Layman, Esq.: The issue you face is that there is an article Common law. Folk will take some convincing that separate articles on the topics you mention are needed. They, as I have done, will suggest that you edit and improve Common law instead,

Am I missing something? I can miss things. If i am, please be pleasantly blunt! Fiddle Faddle 17:27, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

@Faddle:

• I don't think it would be right for me to say you're missing anything.
• Feel free to ignore this because I said you were only being asked to do one thing - review the article, which you're done doing. Great thanks and appreciation.
• Is "Folk" a user, or are you talking about folks in general?
• How familiar are you with common law itself? To what extent did your familiarity/lack thereof effect your decision?
• I want to try to get an eventual approval of the article. I wouldn't try to do so if I didn't actually think it was a generally good and useful thing to try to do. Subject to that, I'm just focussed on learning right now, but I'm not perfectly clear on who I'm supposed to be convincing.
• Who do you have to be to approve such an article?
• Can I just submit a modified article again in the same way?
• As far as justification to exist as an article, how would you compare Maxims of equity to my article? What's the biggest difference?
• For what my opinion is worth, which I'm sure is supposed to be almost nothing, and as far as justifiability goes, as opposed to what has already been proven, Maxims of equity has almost no greater reason to exist. The following two kinda sorta diagrams.
• I want to try to clean up some things in Maxims of equity. Do you want me to ping you on the talk page when I do?

Regards,

Layman, Esq. :(talk) :05:48, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

@Layman, Esq.: I never ignore questions. Feel free to ask. If I don't know an answer I will try to aim you somewhere where answers will be forthcoming.

By "folk" I mean editors and readers. I suppose I mean editors, mainly. We, and that includes you, take great pride in doing our best to make sure Wikipedia is all encompassing, but not confusing. Often we succeed.

Common law is something I have a nodding acquaintance with, no more. That knowledge or lack thereof was not an influence. I looked, instead, at whether I believe, certainly at present, that the small snippet you hope to be an article is useful as a freestanding article. I am not yet convinced that it is, but it is "us" you have to convince, not me.

To get eventual approval you need to demonstrate that it is a topic worthy of its ow article rather than a topic that is solely a section of the larger article. Did you know we can redirect to sections in a larger article?

Anyone may create an article directly in the main article space. That used to be the way for everyone, but we started to make life "easier" for new editors by providing reviews. Too many articles that had potential were summarily deleted as being below par. The review process is run by editors whose accounts have been open I think for 3 months and who have some 500 edits in the main namespace to their credit. This is an arbitrary qualification. Anyone with that tally may opt to be a reviewer. We hope they will show an aptitude for the work, but it is not guaranteed. Review and acceptance is the other side of the pancake where deletion is the first side. One needs experience of each in order to do the other, if you follow me. Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles.

Submit away. Some of us re-revoew, others do not. I try not to. I believe that new eyes provide a better result for the author and the encyclopaedia. I have been known to be wrong

M of E is a substantially longer article than yours. It does need a clean up because it is essay-like. There is a problem in comparing articles, though. Let me assume it is an awful article. If we used it as a precedent then a slightly worse article could be acceptable, and so on, ad idiocracy

You may ping me with pleasure, but I am not the guardian of your edits. By that I mean that you are as entitled as am I to make any edits you see fit to any article, provided you can justify them, and ideally with references or, better, citations. Always remember that others may edit your edits. If you are about to make a sweeping edit it is wisest to fire a warning shot on the article's talk page and to gauge reaction there. We work on consensus, which may look like a ballot, but is not. Building consensus for a major edit is always a wise thing. Consensus can be nemine contradicet.

Have I covered ll your questions? Do ask more and ask me to explain more. Fiddle Faddle 08:35, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

@Layman, Esq.: Try asking at WikiProject Law. Its quite active, I believe.Lihaas (talk) 06:26, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

My thanks for your guidance

Timtrent, thank you for your tips and suggestions for my article. I appreciate your guidance.

SterlingStevenAWilliams (talk) 14:52, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, SterlingStevenAWilliams. We all try our best. We want to accept articles. Fiddle Faddle 14:54, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Request on 02:01:25, 4 November 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Jnishimoura

• Jnishimoura (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Jacques Habra (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for your feedback regarding the DRAFT of the Jacques Habra article. I understand what you are saying, but I am not clear about what to remove. Habra's companies and technologies are part of his BIO. Should I only include the more notable ones? How do I know what is considered notable? Could you please provide some specific direction.

Thank you,

Jackie

Jnishimoura (talk) 02:01, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

@Jnishimoura: It is hard to be absolutely precise. Yes, his companies are part of his life, but they must not take the biography over. By this I mean it is fine to state that he is CEO of Foo Corporation, but it is not fine to go into detail on what Foo Corporation does. It is ok to say that Foo has a $US20bn turnover, bit not the minutiae of Foo's products.

In other words they are part if him, but are not the topics of the article. If Foo Corporation is notable it has, or will have, an article and can be/will be linked to.

Does that help? Fiddle Faddle 11:01, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your guidance re. my question about libel which I posted to the Teahouse. (I didn't have a chance to thank you there before the question and response got archived.) Your synthesis of the relevant guidelines and things to consider was very helpful. Kekki1978 (talk) 17:50, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Always know that none of us is 100% correct. We simply do our very best. I'm happy you found it of some value, Kekki1978. Fiddle Faddle 18:55, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

You dare insinuate that I may not be 100% correct, at all times? Gasp! You have even tidied up my template-naming-conventions?[1] Double_gasp!!! You are treading on thin ice indeedy....  :-)     p.s. If you have time to spare, who should run for arbcom? I was going to ask FiddleFaddle, but I suspect they might be a sock. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 23:56, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

ROFLMAO By the way I tidied it so it would be handled automagically by the AFC Helper script! Your naming convention does not seem to get handled

Lordy, the heady delights of arbitrating this rabble! Think of me as Samson in the temple, giving the pillars a shove.

Now, where are my old socks? Fiddle Faddle 00:01, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

For sure you will need a big warm pair, if you wanna vacation in arbland.  :-)     Or is that arb-land? Very chilly place either way! In any case, I think you basically have to be an admin with 50k edits to run, and since you haven't blocked enough people, yourself, you will probably not be able to "win". As an anon, I cannot even vote for you, so if you did run, you'd be on your own, bub!  ;-)     I am nudging people, though, to see if some brainstorming will lead to a strong set of candidates. If you want to run, that would be great. If you want to put the armtwisting on some other victims heroes and heroines that would also be helpful. You can stalk my contribs, or see the list at ever-friendly Hafs's page, User_talk:Hafspajen#activeAdmin50kList, which is ~~244 usual suspects to peruse. There are three or more non-admins running already this year, see WP:ACE2015/C, two former and one likely-soon-to-be, so perhaps arbcom-elect will finally break the mold. Best, 75.108.94.227 (talk) 02:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

p.s. And thanks for the note about the comment-syntax. I just manually hammer them out, so I don't know how to make the AFCH script jump through the hoops. Feel free to trout me if you see me forgetting again later. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 02:17, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

However warm the socks there is not a hope of my becoming part of the bureaucracy here, you know. I can do far more as a free agent. Fiddle Faddle 09:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, agreed. But as a free agent, you should influence the WP:BURO, if possible. IAR applies even to one's own rules. Who ought be up for election? There are 8-and-three-quarters candidates announced, for nine slots. Think over who would make arbcom new&improved. AfC-faction already has User:DGG as "our" sitting arb.  :-)     And although she would likely be good at it, User:Anne_Delong only recently became an admin -- unanimously which may be a first in modern wiki-times methinks -- and hasn't made many posts to the arbcase-pages in any case, so may not be interested in such things either. Another obvious choice would be User:Kudpung, but again, I'm not sure we could twist his arm enough to make him run. Arbcom is no fun, because simultaneously you must exercise IAR to accomplish anything helpful, and of course, you get blown out of the water every time you do IAR. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 14:08, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't be qualified to do that job right now - since becoming and admin I haven't worked much in those sorts of areas - I haven't blocked even one person. I do have some technical background, though, so sometime in the future I might like to work with sockpuppet investigations. Maybe I can expose that FiddleFaddle editor - I've always thought he might be connected to Timtrent...—Anne Delong (talk) 14:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

He's certainly a suspicious character! Fiddle Faddle 15:16, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Anne, you aren't thinking like a proper rogue admin yet. Look, 'tis very simple, you have two good-faith wikipedians telling you that FiddleFaddle is suspicious, so you should block them immediately, just on general principles. "Unblocks are cheap" as the old saying goes, right? Right. And besides, you need to get your block-stats inflated.  :-)     But seriously, who ought to run, if not you, Anne? Give it some thought, and write up a voterguide if you like, outlining the generic criteria you want to see in arbcom candidates, and/or evaluating the standing candidates (plus optionally some hypothetically-standing-candidates). Same for you FiddleFaddle... if that is your real name!  ;-)   75.108.94.227 (talk) 16:36, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Don't you mean rouge?

I cannot imagine the frustration of being a member of ArbCom and to be faced with the mindless tedium of persnickety folk all believing their way is the right way. Fiddle Faddle 16:44, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Bulk delete on Commons

Did you know that there is an easy mass-delete-nomination tool on Commons? on C:Help:VisualFileChange.js, under "Step 0: How to Install" there is a button "Just try it without installing". Click on that, fill in a username and click "Proceed", and it shows you all that user's uploads. Check the boxes for the ones you want deleted, supply a reason and click "Execute", and it's all done for you, producing a deletion request like this, tagging the files and notifying the uploader. JohnCD (talk) 18:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

That is wonderful information, thank you, JohnCD I will have a look right now. Fiddle Faddle 18:50, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

What an excellent tool. I am not, as you may have worked out, 100% at home on Commons. Thank you again. Fiddle Faddle 18:54, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

16:43:39, 10 November 2015 review of submission by Aagreeny4

• Aagreeny4 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Mike "Greeny" Green (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi! I was wondering what to do, some of the articles are old and they can only be found on microfilm. What should I do then? Thank you Aagreeny4 (talk) 16:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

@Aagreeny4: This is not an issue. Provided you give chapter and verse, ideally using a citation template {{Tl|Cite book}, {{Cite news}}} etc, then all will be fine. We are content with non online references provided they are fully fleshed out. Fiddle Faddle 16:47, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Larry Geller

Hi Tim - I completed shortened my article on Larry Geller and resubmitted today (11/10/15). I was trying to find help and think I came across a way to request help from you or anyone from Wiki to help edit my article to get it through. I'm so frustrated as I submitted in May and here it is November and I'm still messing with this. I shorted it and put in so many references to books, TV, etc who talked about Larry. When I sent it today, I got reply from Primefac who rejected saying he already responded in June. I feel I'm going in circles. Can you pull up what I submitted today and see if it meets the guidelines? Is there a way to submit to someone there who can edit to get it posted? Please let me know. Please HELP! THANKS!

Chris Coffey

Chris Coffey 18:23, 10 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keshakoko1 (talk • contribs)

Chris, I will not phone nor email you, and i have deleted that information from public view. I am not exactly certain if I reviewed that which you submitted today. Please link to it for me. I want to be sure I give you absolutely relevant help. Fiddle Faddle 18:25, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

@Keshakoko1: Starting to see what happened. This version] of your talk page contains what you believe you submitted today. You ought to have edited Draft:Larry Geller with that information. May I suggest that you do that, after which I will have a look at it. But please take note of the comment I put there, too.

Don;t use your talk page to create drafts, it is guaranteed to fail. I'll be happy to guide you through our processes. You need a calm and quiet attitude and we will follow this thread to wherever it leads. Fiddle Faddle 18:32, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Tim - I just sent you article I posted today and clicked SAVE PAGE and it goes to "Page Cannot be Displayed"??? It flipped me out and has several times. Is there a way I can send you the article so you can see it and let me know WHY it's not getting through. I shorted it a lot from back in May but not sure what is going on. I need your help desperately - PLEASE. Thanks!

Chris Coffey 18:41, 10 November 2015 (UTC) Chris Coffey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keshakoko1 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

@Keshakoko1: I have no idea of the process you went through now that failed. So, why don't we just start quietly and gently to move this draft forwards. Let me give you some steps:

1. Go to Draft:Larry Geller
2. Edit it to enable your new material to be presented
3. Save it, and inspect it for layout
4. Go through the layout and correct any layout errors
5. Let me know when you are ready for me to look at it
6. Bear in mind I am human and eat, sleep, and do other things. My replies may not be immediate.

If it is in my power to assist then I will assist. My opinions are just that, opinions. I may not be correct. Always remember that. Fiddle Faddle 18:46, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Larry Geller

Chris Coffey 18:56, 10 November 2015 (UTC) Larry Geller (born August 8, 1939, Elmira, New York) celebrity hairstylist, author, and creator and Chairman of Larry Geller Organics Ltd. Geller is best known for his long association with Elvis Presley, beginning in 1964, as his personal hairstylist, friend and confidant. Career Geller’s career began when he joined forces with famed hairdresser Jay Sebring, opening the first men’s hair styling salon in America in 1959. At a time when men went to traditional barber shops for a buzz cut or other cookie-cutter style on their dry, often dirty hair, Geller and Sebring created a revolutionary new experience. They shampooed the hair first, and then styled the cut to suit the individual’s features, hair qualities and age. Overnight the fame and reputation of their salon, Sebring International, attracted Hollywood’s A-list. Motion picture stars, TV and recording artists such as Frank Sinatra, Paul Newman, Sammy Davis, Jr., Kirk Douglas, Marlon Brando, Peter Sellers, Steve McQueen. Henry Fonda, Robert Wagner, Glen Campbell, James Garner, Bobby Darin, Tony Bennett, Rock Hudson, Roy Orbison, Sam Cooke, Jackie Gleason were just a few of their illustrious clientele. Geller worked privately with actor Peter Sellers for the movie “I Love You Alice B. Toklas!” in 1968. He also managed a European tour for singer Johnny Rivers in 1973. Geller was spokesperson 1983-1986 for Svenson International, hair clinic based in London with salons around the world. Personal hairstylist to Elvis Presley Beginning in 1964, Geller alternated between traveling with Elvis and living with him at Graceland. Their relationship went far deeper than hairstylist and client. Geller was Elvis’ confidant and friend. He brought into Elvis’ life books and ideas that they shared in countless intimate conversations over the course of their many years together. Geller styled Elvis’ hair for nearly a dozen movies: “Roustabout,” “Girl Happy,” “Double Trouble,” “Easy Come, Easy Go,” “Frankie and Johnny,” “Harum Scarum,” “Paradise, Hawaiian Style,” “Tickle Me,” “Clambake” and “Spinout.” He groomed and styled Elvis’ hair for countless personal appearances, hundreds of concert engagements, multiple Las Vegas appearances and his last TV special “Elvis in Concert” (filmed only weeks before his death). Geller prepared Elvis’ hair for the last time for his funeral in August, 1977. Media and public appearances In addition to appearing in virtually every Elvis book written over the years, Geller is prominently featured in several major books published in the last several years, including Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley by Peter Guralnick, The Colonel by Alanna Nash, Me and a Guy Named Elvis by Jerry Schilling, Elvis: His Life From A to Z, by Fred L. Worth and Steve D. Tamerius, The world knows Elvis Presley – but they don’t know me by Bruno Tillander, The Seeker King: A Spiritual Biography of Elvis Presley by Gary Tillery, and many others. “Elvis Presley: The Last 24 Hours” released 2004

Over the years Geller has appeared in Memphis and in Hawaii at venues for Elvis Presley Enterprises, fan clubs and other gatherings. Fan clubs throughout Europe have invited him to visit; some of his tours have brought him to Germany, Denmark, Belgium, The Netherlands and the UK. Geller’s media appearances over the years have included Larry King, Regis Philbin and “Entertainment Tonight,” as well as numerous interviews including E Channel, CNN, BBC, and international radio and television networks. He has also been interviewed by print and Internet outlets throughout the world, and has been featured in many documentaries in the United States, Canada and Europe. Current business venture

Geller is developing products for a holistic hair care system to be marketed under the name Larry Geller Organics, in association with Bernard Corcos, international entrepreneur and attorney, and Kim Stulmann, international marketing executive.

External links Larry Geller at the Internet Movie Database www.elvispresleybiography.net www.HairWeb.org www.Graceland.com Mirror News UK Fox News Magazine Yahoo Beauty News

Published books & other works “New Age Voice” metaphysical/ health anthology (1972) The New Age Foundation If I Can Dream by Larry Geller (1989) Simon & Schuster (ISBN 0671659227) Elvis’ Search for God by Jess Stearn with Larry Geller (1998) Greenleaf Publications (ISBN 1883729076 Healthy Life, Great Looks, Healthy Hair by Larry Geller (2003) GellerCare Press (ISBN 0976435039) Leaves of Elvis’ Garden by Larry Geller (2008) Bell Rock Publishing (ISBN 9780976435006) “Elvis & Larry: A Journey Shared” DVD (2012) - Pan Pacific Productions In popular culture Played himself, also technical advisor in “Elvis” NBC movie 1979, with Kurt Russell Portrayed by Robert C. Treveiler in “Elvis” mini-series 2005, with Jonathan Rhys Meyers Portrayed in “Elvis and the Colonel: The Untold Story” Dick Clark Productions, TV movie 1993 Careless Love: published 1999 by Little, Brown & Company – page 751 of Index The Colonel: published 2003 by Simon & Schuster – page 383 of Index Jerry’s book: published 2006 by Gotham Books – page 343 of Index Elvis A to Z: published 1988 by Contemporary Books, Inc. – page 74 of book The world knows Elvis Presley: published 2014 by Premium Publishing, Sweden – Chapter 12 The Seeker King: published 2013 by Quest Books – pages 213-214 of Index Elvis: by the Presleys published 2005 by Crown Archetype - Larry is in Chapter 7. For the movie references we have IMDB Chris Coffey 18:56, 10 November 2015 (UTC)