User talk:Ferret

Regarding the Fallout 4 features revert

I left a message on the talk page regarding my deletion of Fallout 4 features on Creation Engine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FortyFiveBananas (talk • contribs) 18:45, 14 October 2015‎ (UTC)

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Maria Gheorghiu

Buna! Nu am inteles de ce se tot sterge pagina cu Maria Gheorghiu. Ce nu este in regula? Nu se poate sa-mi corectezi eventualele greseli in loc sa tot stergi pagina? Incerc sa fac tot ce pot, dar nu stiu foarte bine. Cred ca ai putea sa ajuti, in loc sa tot stergi de atatea ori... — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndaVeronica29 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Google translation for my sake:

"Hey! I did not understand why all Delete page Maria Gheorghiu . What is wrong ? Can not my place to correct mistakes in all Delete page ? I try to do my best , but I do not know very well . I guess you could to help, instead of deleting all so many times .."

I have marked the page for deletion under A7 for the same reason it was deleted the last two times. It does not meet the notability criteria for English Wikipedia. Our policy can be read at WP:GNG, and in addition, notability guidelines for musicians can be found at WP:BAND. You have recreated the article with the same content each time it was deleted, which is why it keeps getting tagged again. Without reliable sources and a statement on why she is important (Backed by sources), the article will likely continue to be deleted. -- ferret (talk) 14:18, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

While writing this response, your article was moved to the draft space. You can access it at Draft:Maria Gheorghiu. You may continue to work on it there, but it should not be send back to mainspace until notability is established. -- ferret (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Maria Gheorghiu page

Hey! I did everything the best I could and tried to respect the rules. I do not understand why everything is deleted page. Instead delete it all the time, you could help me to correct mistakes. Maybe not quite so big ... I reserved a lot of time to write page as well and it's bothering me all the time ... I'd rather faded a little help, a message of encouragement, not only "your page has been deleted. "Especially as Maria Gheorghiu deserve a page in English. Thank you in advance! Anda — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndaVeronica29 (talk • contribs) 14:32, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Anda, several editors have left you notes about the necessary guidelines you need to read and explained why the deletions were being done. -- ferret (talk) 15:06, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out here. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:17, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

User warnings

Hey, just a friendly reminder to use User warning templates when reverting cases of clear cut vandalism like you did here, otherwise the AIV process won't work as efficiently. Thanks for your editing. —Hermionedidallthework (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Dreamcast

Please change the dreamcast page. You can use the data on the Japanese wiki. The 10.6 million figure is totally wrong. The total sales of the dreamcast worldwide as of 2014 are 9.13 million the source is CESA. CESA publishes a yearly annual report on world software and hardware sales in the games industry. The Japanese wiki uses this as the source. There is no business source for the 10.6 million the only source people could find was a blog.

By you blocking my changes to the Dreamcast page you are promoting bad information. Please do the right thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.45.9.125 (talk) 06:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Ringzntattz vandalism

Thanks for reverting WoW and warning User:Ringzntattz. I have added him to Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism Seadragon (talk) 20:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

No problem. AIV will almost certainly block him as a vandal-only account. -- ferret (talk) 20:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Console Generation dates

Regarding to your edit in the "video game consoles"-area: where do you found that the third and fourth generation BOTH ended in 2003? This makes no sense for me, especially in the template "history of video games" below are standing other discontinue dates (1983-1995 and 1987–1999 respectively). According to the article, the 3rd generation ended with the discontinuation of the NES in 1995 and the 4th generation ended with the SNES' discontinuation in 1999 in North America, Australia and Europe.— Preceding unsigned comment added by XLight (talk • contribs) 20:09, 16 November 2015 (UTC)‎

@XLight: Both the NES and SNES were not fully discontinued until 2003. Wikipedia is meant to reflect a worldview, not just a North American view. -- ferret (talk) 20:14, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Still a redirect

[1] probably shouldn't have happened per WP:NOTBROKEN. (See also MOS:REDIR.) I'm not hard-strung up on it, just letting you know that a redirect isn't a problem. --Izno (talk) 15:05, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

@Izno: Interesting. I've no issue if you really feel it shouldn't have been done, but in this particular case and the history of name-warring over this genre's name, I believe it probably really is preferable not to use the redirect. It's settled down for now but a couple years ago, not sure if you were involved, was a lot of move warring between "AoS", "Dota-like", "Action RTS", and "MOBA" before it finally settled down as "MOBA". As a side note, WP:NOTBROKE and MOS:REDIR seems to directly go against the all the AWB users who script pipelink/redirect fixes.... -- ferret (talk) 15:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Those users should probably be reminded. ;) WP:NOTBROKE has exceptions of course (largest of which is navboxes; second largest of which is probably certain/most/all template redirects).

Regarding the location of the page, of course I was involved (I've been here a while...). The use of AoS on SC gets to the fact that SC is what made the genre popular and hence brought about its original name, "AoS" ("Aeon of Strife", the fictional Protoss civil war). --Izno (talk) 15:19, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I know you've been here a while ;) I just don't recall the exact participants anymore without looking. It finally quieted down, so my memory has grown hazy. :) I'm fine if you want to undo it, but my basic reasoning was that the genre article and its redirects has been contentious and should be treated directly where possible as a result. -- ferret (talk) 15:22, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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Fallout 4 spouse names

Hi Ferret,

Your revert makes sense. I haven't played the game so I'm trying to stay away as much as possible from the article. I used ctrl-f for the names and didn't see them, but shouldn't the name of the player character's spouse be mentioned on the article on Fallout 4? --Soetermans. T / C 16:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC) Soetermans. T / C 16:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

@Soetermans: The names are very minor plot wise and short lived. I think it's useful to list them for a cast list... But WP:VGSCOPE discourages cast lists at the game article itself. But now that I think about it, how does VGSCOPE apply against the series article? I'll see if I can work it into the plot anyways. -- ferret (talk) 16:43, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Actually someone already has. Fallout 4 currently states "their spouse (Nate/Nora)" in the plot. -- ferret (talk) 16:44, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

steamos

why are you removing all my edits?

Like Gnome ISN'T the default UI used in SteamOS. It has to be specially enabled. that makes it NOT the default.

the list goes on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshmnz (talk • contribs) 09:35, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Replied at user's talk page. -- ferret (talk) 19:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Overwatch Spring vs Q1/Q2

I suppose I get that Spring can be confusing to those in the southern hemisphere, but why then did Blizzard put their release date range as 'Spring 2016'? If that is what the publisher releases to the public, I feel that is what we should put.

CoruscantHero (talk) 05:57, 2 December 2015 (UTC)CoruscantHero

Blizzard serves different web sites to different regions and languages, adjusted to fit that particular target region. The page in question is targeted to North America. Wikipedia however has to consider a global audience. Please read WP:SEASON, which is a part of Wikipedia's Manual of Style. -- ferret (talk) 12:39, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Cool. I understand. Thanks for the fix. -- CoruscantHero (talk) 05:57, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

bethesda hexaware edit

Re [2] I honestly think you are being harsh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.44.188 (talk) 19:12, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Edit summaries don't give a lot of space for niceties. Who Bethesda uses for beta testing is irrelevant in the long term, and likely changes from project to project. A valid source has not been provided that Bethesda is currently using Hexaware. Even if they are, without secondary reliable sources commenting on it, it's simply not important. In addition, your edit removed a section heading that needed to be restored. -- ferret (talk) 19:16, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Parentheses

Hi Ferret,

After your revert, I suddenly noticed that pretty much every reception box has the aggregated reviews like (PS4) 86%, (PC) 84%, etc. Now I'm thinking, isn't this a bit odd? Since parentheses are used to note that it is something in addition to, or separate from the rest, we usually use parentheses at the end of a sentence or an entry. I don't think that any reader will be confused if it says (PS4) 86%, but shouldn't it either be 86% (PS4) or PS4: 86%? --Soetermans. T / C 14:09, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I've seen multiple formats over the years, but don't really recall any WP:VG discussions on the matter. I would agree with you that "xx% (system)" seems more natural, but "(system) xx%" seems to have gained the most traction over the years and I believe it's in nearly uniform use in most (more recent) articles now. I can personally recall a few cases (Quite a while ago) of building a new reception box with "System: xx%" and having a later editor change it. I think also that a lot of people build a reception template by first copying it from another article, which helps "spread" the format. Another alternative might be to present the system name in supcase, like regions are for release dates (Via Template:Vgrelease), but no one does that currently.... Maybe a Template:Vgscore to help standardize formatting? It might be worth discussing at WP:VG. -- ferret (talk) 14:44, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Hey Ferret, thanks for understanding. I would've started a new discussion myself, but right now I'm trying to focus on my thesis. I'll probably start editing Wikipedia as usual when I'm a little less busy. --Soetermans. T / C 10:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Star Wars Battlefront

What was your problem with my Star Wars edit. You said you had a problem with me removing context for the Star Wars celebration however the only thing I removed in that regard was a sentence stating that " In late March 2015, it was revealed that the game would be shown at Star Wars Celebration 2015 in Anaheim, California." this is just an announcement of an announcement and while it would of been useful before the Celebration, the fact that we then list that it was shown at the celebration makes the sentence redundant. --Deathawk (talk) 00:53, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I felt that the location and date context was stripped out, along with a typo introduced at the start of the paragraph and another removed source that I felt should stay. I have just edited the page to remove the first "Announcement of an announcement" as you wanted, while keeping the context I was looking for. -- ferret (talk) 12:59, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

For what its worth...

In response to your comment on Salv's talk page, for what its worth, if I had the ability to just designate Admins, I'd make you one. If you ever did want to run for being an admin, I'd help/nominate, but...please don't let me talk you into it or anything. Its a completely nerve-wracking process, and I'd feel absolutely terrible if I talked you into it, and then it went terribly and the community was really hard on you for it. As I've said before, had I failed my AFD RFA, I don't know what I'd have done. I'd be pretty crushed if the community generally believed, "You know what, Serge, we disapprove of the manner that you volunteer your time so strongly that we collectively are rejecting you."

Anyways, my point is, I'd support you if you ever needed it, though I don't especially recommend it to anyone, because its a rough process, if that makes sense. So its more of a compliment than a suggestion, you know? Sergecross73 msg me 16:32, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

^ I agree. (And I have the same feelings regarding the process.) --Izno (talk) 16:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Though, a lot of people fail AFDs, Serge. ;) --Izno (talk) 16:37, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I know, that was one of the reasons I was so nervous years back, I think statistically, many more fail than succeed. Some people really get a pretty public roasting and fail pretty miserably. And sometimes its one minor detail from years past, and all of a sudden its a giant pile-on and you're done. I don't think I have anything to hide, but I'm sure its possible that I could have made some questionable edits in the 2008-2009 era that could have been hard to defend had they been brought up. Anyways, maybe being so hurt would have been extreme, but that's just me. I've generally got a thick skin, and can ignore any number of trolls/disruptive editors who may have bad things to say to me. But if it was the collective community of experienced editors...I'd have a harder time with that. Sergecross73 msg me 16:45, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

No, you missed your misspelling. had I failed my AFD, I don't what I'd have done. --Izno (talk) 16:47, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I can empathize Serge, I almost failed my own DRV! ;) ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:56, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Wow, it took me longer than it should have to realize what I had done... u_u Sergecross73 msg me 16:58, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Haha. I appreciate it. I've read through RFA a few times, and paid attention for a while to the recent RFCs about RFA, and it's just a brutal process that I don't feel like subjecting myself to.... yet. I've had too many self-conscious fumbles or policy misreads (Or perhaps too strict of a read) in just the last year to let anyone deliberately spend hours picking at me ;) And there's eddies of Wiki politics that I have only just barely brushed, such as deletionists versus inclusionists and the like. -- ferret (talk) 17:08, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

sourced content?

Can you define sourced content?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.96.253 (talk) 23:42, 10 December 2015‎ (UTC)

It means that you removed content from the article that was valid and had sources backing it up. You did so without explaining why, and so I reverted it. -- ferret (talk) 01:00, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Denied Star Wars edit

Hi, I added a Star Wars: The Force Awakens edit about a Poster Spy design contest, you said there is no proof it's a reasonably important contest. It's an official Disney contest and was judged by Anthony Daniels. I feel that's pretty significant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorofthepedia2015 (talk • contribs) 11:12, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Responded again to edit request at the article's talk page. -- ferret (talk) 13:04, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Reverted patrolled edit on Aziz Sancar

Hi Ferret, I'm just notifying you that on Aziz Sancar I reverted three IP-edits in a row that were previously patrolled by you. The IP removed sourced material, in this case the statement that Sancar's parents were Arabic-speaking. The IP gave another source which however doesn't contradict. It seems to be no more than a truth that Turkish nationalists cannot bear: that one of them, even more so the first Turkish Nobel Price Laureate, might have Arab origins, or at least parents who spoke Arabic. Following the debate about Sancar allegedly being a Kurd, this is now the second controversy that keeps IP running with their heads aginst the wall again and again. That's why we're patrolling the page, and might have to semi-protect it, if this gets worse. Just wanted to make sure yo're warned, too, for the next similyr IP edit. Regards, --PanchoS (talk) 14:40, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi @PanchoS. In my accept comment (Which should be visible in the review log), I noted that the CNNTurk review currently sourcing the statement appears to support the IP. When asked about his mother language, Sancar replied that they spoke Arabic but grew up speaking Turkish. CNNTurk, as the standing source, does not appear to support the version of the article that includes "Arabic" as his family ethnicity. I am fine with maintaining the status quo, but that was how I read the CNNTurk source and decided to handle the pending edit. Since the IP was not replacing with a different unsourced ethnic group, it would be my position that since this is in contention and does not have a clearly supporting source, it should be removed. -- ferret (talk) 14:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

To expand on that, while I understand that the prose is technically noting that they spoke Arabic, it links in a way that suggests their ethnicity. They also spoke Turkish though, which is covered in the same sources. As such, I still believe it should simply be removed from this sentence. If a later sentence wishes to note the various languages he (and his family) speaks, that would seem more appropriate. -- ferret (talk) 14:54, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Moved to article's talk page. -- ferret (talk) 15:40, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

WP:ORCP further comments

Hi Ferret - Regarding creation stats, would it be appropriate during an RfA to note cases of essentially starting an article, but not having credit as the original creator? My immediate example is that I "created" the current Fallout 4 article, but it already existed as a redirect at the time. Should I note "creations" that are not visible from a stats perspective? - many serious RfA voters will look into cases such as this, however it would ideally be the job of your nominator to make the voters aware of the less than blatantly obvious, such as the creations we're talking about -- samtar ^whisper 12:57, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Article creation stats somewhat bothers me because it seems like a race at times to get "first edit credit". In the WP:VG arena, the moment the news hits the wire, most articles are created, even if nothing but a single line stub. It's on my list though to try to find some missing things, but I also want to be careful not to create something that will end up at AfD. -- ferret (talk) 13:00, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, I disagree with the emphasis put on content creation at RfA (although my voting criteria specifies 10+ articles ;) oh well..). Get a couple more under your belt, and improve on other - taking a random article to GA is a massive plus :) -- samtar ^whisper 13:26, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't like it either. That's one of the reasons why I keep a running tab of all the articles that I've created on my talk page - to better document the ones I've actually created. Technically, if someone checked through my list of created articles, there'd be a lot of differences between my list and the Wikipedia generated one, mostly because of the article's I've created out of redirects like that. I've never had anyone call me out on it - if someone actually dug through all the details, they'd see that for all intents and purposes, its the truth. One of the first things people check is your userpage when looking you over at RFA too, so they'd see it if you listed it there. You could always try to create some new articles out of scratch though in case they check your article creation log before your user page too I suppose. Sergecross73 msg me 14:37, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I've worked some of this into my user page. It's hard to comb back over your contributions and attempt to remember every place you've spent some time. :) I included most of what I considered particularly notable. It's less than I might have hoped, but as I primarily patrol, I understand why. I'll look for some more opportunities to create. I also did my first GA review today, and will see about doing more work in that area. -- ferret (talk) 22:02, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Zombies, Run

I have been trying to talk to ScrapIron, but he only talked to me by edit summaries and warnings until finally giving me that 'prepare to be edited' thing that I linked. I've restored the list of writers because it is too long to go in the infobox. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 00:04, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

@211.30.17.74: As you want to make the additions and were reverted, it's more or less on you to open a conversation on the article's talk page. I do not see one. -- ferret (talk) 00:07, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Pings don't work for me because I edit using an IP. The cast lists were in the article long before I got to it, and ScrapIron removed it, so isn't the onus on him to begin the discussion for its exclusion? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 00:12, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

When he removed it with guidelines as a basis, and you added it back, the burden to argue for it's inclusion (Against various guidelines) fell on you. After that we're in edit war territory so... Regardless, I'm happy with the edits you've made since I came to the article. I won't judge whether or not there isn't more work to do, but the basic prose is the right direction now. -- ferret (talk) 00:18, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

He ignored me until giving me that ultimatum, and I would appreciate additional feedback and eyes on the article, because the message that I got seemed to imply that the entire article was bad and that he would gut the article tomorrow. --211.30.17.74 (talk) 00:25, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't know that I would be ok with it if someone claimed it was a C class. It needs a lot of work, but you seem interested in getting it done. I would read over WP:VGSCOPE in full, and the rest of the guideline it is a part of... You may also want to read the projects rating scale for an idea on what's expected for a higher assessment. -- ferret (talk) 00:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I've been concentrating on finding and adding more sources - this was what it looked like before I got to it. :) --211.30.17.74 (talk) 00:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I think you're doing ok on sourcing, if you were aiming to satisfy WP:Notability and avoid the potential of an AFD. But you're really heavy on primary sources, and there's a lot of cleanup to be done. For example I see some citations with formatting issues. You should also avoid duplication... There's a large-ish Further Reading section. If these are already in use as a source, they don't need to be listed again. (Note: Did not directly check, just offering a thought). If you need reliable secondary sources, check out the custom google search under WP:VG/RS#List. This CSE is set to search sites that are vetted as reliable. -- ferret (talk) 00:40, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

December 22 - Line 26: First Indonesian Women Congress vs Mother's Day

Regarding your revert to my edit on December 22 Line 26: *1928 - First Indonesian Woman Congress held in Yogyakarta, the foundation of Mother's Day in Indonesia where you mentioned that you cannot verify Mother's Day because it is in Holiday Section, I would like to explain that the Mother's Day in Indonesia is pretty much different with the Mother's Day US. We celebrate it as the day of women right movement during Dutch colonial era, initiated with the Congress in 1928. Later, our President Soekarno established it as Hari Ibu Nasional (National Mother's Day) in 1953, during the 25th celebration of the Congress. It is a national day, but practically not a holiday at all. Please return my entry so such important event may include in Wikipedia. Thank you. Ciput (talk) 11:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

@Ciput: A clarification on that. I verified Mother's Day, but did not keep your inclusion because it was already on the page. What I could not verify was that December 22 was the first Indonesian Woman Congress. There is no article for Indonesian Woman Congress, nor does Yogyakarta make mention of one. Does this maybe refer to Gerwani? If so, Gerwani also does not mention December 22. -- ferret (talk) 12:40, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

(Ciput (talk) 03:22, 24 December 2015 (UTC)) No, it is not about Gerwani which is a communist-influenced women activist group disbanded by new government under Suharto in 1965. You may be confused with Kowani (Kongres Wanita Indonesia, Indonesian Women Congress) which is established as "organisation" later after the 1928 Congress. You may also check their website http://kowani.or.id/ since the valid reference is relatively rare in English. And I started to post it in Wikipedia Bahasa Indonesia. Thank you.

Regarding Critical Acclaim status of video games.

Since Dragon Age: Inquisition and Shadows of Mordor also have below a 90 on metacritic, should they be changed as well? Just asking since I am not 100% positive on how critical acclaim vs. positive is perceived on Wikipedia.