Talk:PlayStation 2

Articles for online features

Hey everyone! Recently on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games, we've been talking about how to write about the PlayStation 2's online functionality. Originally one user started using the term "Network Play," but I haven't found any sources to corroborate that usage. So, I moved the respective page to PlayStation 2 online functionality and the respective list to list of PlayStation 2 online games. We're not sure how much of this, exactly, we should retain though. The potential problem with PlayStation 2 online functionality is that it overlaps heavily with PlayStation 2 Network Adaptor. So we're wondering if we should merge the pages? Keep both? Or some other solution. Please share your thoughts. CaseyPenk (talk) 03:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

PS9 redirect to Photoshop

The Adobe Photoshop page header says "PS9" also redirects here. For the joke ad, see PlayStation 2. However, no mention of a joke ad for the PS2 is in the article. Just wondering whether editors of this page think it would be better to possibly place a mention of the ad in this article, or remove the header from the Photoshop artice. Fieari (talk) 18:08, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Homebrew Development Section

I am glad there is a homebrew section in this article, and most of the information in it seems accurate, even if not completely sourced. This is all good/relevant information, so if anyone can further source the material, that would be great for the article.

There is one sentence that I believe to be misleading regarding Free McBoot: "Copying from one memory card to another will not work." I don't know if one can simply "copy" the files from one card to the other, but it is definitely possible to use one card to run the Free McBoot installer and install it on another card. I have done so, and it is documented as the third FAQ here: http://freemcboot.info/ps2%20ohje/17e.html 108.202.196.48 (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Fan noise

In the article it is stated that the slimline models are quieter than the "fat" models. However, not all the "fat" models suffer from excessive fan noise - the later ones before the slimline model came out (2003-2004) actually run really quiet, and there is a delay of a few seconds before the fan kicks in after powering up the unit. --194.83.82.3 (talk) 13:52, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Sales

Given the recent reports of Nintendo DS sales passing PS2 sales, I checked the sales listed on this article and found that the 155.1 million figure formerly listed in this article did not seem to be reliably cited. One instance was cited to [1] which doesn't seem to have any unit sales at all, and the other to the sum of [2] and [3], which is problematic since the former counts shipments and the latter counts sales so units shipped before the change and sold after would be counted twice (see Talk:List of best-selling game consoles#Company Sales vs Shipped debate for more on that).

Until someone can come up with a more recent reliable source, I've changed it to 153.6 million based on [4]. Anomie⚔ 23:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, getting exactly 155.1 is more math and sourcing than I'm willing to do so I just combined a Q1 2009 figure[5] and added everything after that from [6]. « Ryūkotsusei » 17:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

This wouldn't matter if it weren't so close to the DS in sales, or if this weren't relevant to the current hardware debate, but I'm also having issues finding a single source reporting the 155.1 number. I'm not sure why the revision changing it to 153.6 was rolled back.Eric.yarham (talk) 17:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Not only that, but the source listed for the "155 million" in the article is from a site from a Sony press report that says "150 million". It's clearly the fans pushing it to 155, but unfortunately, with articles on Wikipedia being used as references by news reports and such, there is no validity in 155. Only the numbers reported by Sony, which at last was 153 million. Here's a link to a Time article who used Wikipedia as THEIR source: http://techland.time.com/2014/02/24/outselling-the-playstation-2-isnt-a-pipe-dream/ 2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:6D01:A1B8:7E6C:9DDD (talk) 04:04, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Why are all these titles in the link incorrectly quoting 155, but when you click on them, they all say 150 million? Someone has been changing the title to say 155 when the source link itself only says 150!2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:4C48:7877:E27F:7D36 (talk) 22:47, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Discontinued

Hi all, The PS2 console was discontinued in 2013, according to this source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jan/04/playstation-2-manufacture-ends-years I will change the opening sentence of the article to: The PlayStation 2 was a video game console manufactured by Sony Computer Entertainment as part of the PlayStation series. Thanks! Zalunardo8 (talk) 14:05, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

It still is a console whether it is still manufactured or not - you put the was in the wrong place. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 18:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

(Just to clarify, it should be The PlayStation 2 is a video game console which was manufactured by Sony Computer Entertainment as part of the PlayStation series.) Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 18:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

In the US, I have the first PS2 model released - first day release.

It is a very old PS2, bought for $300.00. It still works, although I haven't used it in years. I remember there being a DVD add on upgrade firmware update, but I don't see it in the article. SCPH-30001 U0539322 (it means my console was the 539322 console produced - pretty special) --Pretty les♀, Dark Mistress, talk, 04:47, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

File:PS2-Versions.jpg to appear as POTD

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:PS2-Versions.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on January 14, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2015-01-14. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:18, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Picture of the day

Two versions of the PlayStation 2, a home video game console produced by Sony and the most successful console of the sixth generation. The original model (left), known informally as the "fat" model, was released in 2000 and included a docking bay for an internal hard disk drive. The "slimline" version (right) was released in 2004; it did not include the docking bay or an internal power supply, but was smaller, lighter, and quieter, and included an Ethernet port.Photograph: Evan Amos

170 million sold?

While I don't claim to know with certainty where the truth lies on this matter, it certainly would not surprise me if that is the final figure. We know that 155 million is an undercount, and Pachter is a reliable source. While it was dismissed as an aberration at the time, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe CEO Jim Ryan stated in May 2013 that 170 million PS2 units had been "produced".TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 16:58, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Are there no financial reports covering the unit numbers? I know we just did this exercise at Dreamcast... ;) -- ferret (talk) 17:14, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Not for the final number.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

'Release date' broken, displaying wrong date

The 'Release date' function of the information sidebar is broken, it's saying the PS2 was released 'January1,1990'/'26 years ago'. This is obviously not the case. I'm only a wee new Wikipedia boy so I'm not sure how the function used for getting elapsed time from a given date works so I wasn't able to fix it.

I know a couple of programming languages, and the basics of JavaScript (but I could probably just look at an example and figure it out), so if someone points me in the direction of a tutorial on how the Wikipedia functions work I don't mind fixing the problem. Or someone could just fix it themselves if that'd be easier.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nornironhax (talk • contribs) 10:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

 Done - I reverted an edit from an IP user, 64.229.41.36 (talk). In other words, the date is corrected as "March 4, 2000". I don't think the sidebar is broken, it's just vandalism done by an IP user. // Hounder4 // 11:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Online Functionality Section

Hello everyone, I was having a discussion with another user named Ferret after I edited this section. This was some of the discussion, Ferret: How in the world does one unreliable source mean more are ok? Removed the entire section as its unsourced and no source supports it that I can find.

Me: I guess my point was that both playstation2.onlineconsoles.com and ps2onlinegaming.com are in the same "tier of reliability" and that I thought it was the standards for the page that would allow them both, not that they were both unreliable. I just wanted to help put the accurate information in the section. I did not know about this talk page until just now, and I'm glad I do because I wanted to have a page to discuss without repeatedly undoing each others' edits.

I own and use my PS2 online, it is still functional but I am not sure what you would deem an acceptable source of this information. Would a YouTube video proving it be acceptable? Does a certain news article have to cover it? What determines what is acceptable? I am sure there's probably a guideline, but I see pages on wikipedia with varying degrees of references. There are other pages on Wikipedia that reference ps2onlinegaming.com, should those references not exist? What about pages for individual games that currently have explanations for their workarounds? Is that a more acceptable place for this information?

Not intending to be a jerk, just want to get the information out there, and learn about some things on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.204.60 (talk) 00:13, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Ferret: This should be discussed at the article talk page, Talk:PlayStation 2. There isn't a such thing as an article with a lower standard for reliability on Wikipedia. The core policy is at WP:V and WP:RS. User submitted reviews and sources, etc, are inherently considered unreliable, see WP:USERG. It's possible unreliable sources have been added to articles but not noticed, but when challenged they are likely to be removed. -- ferret (talk) 00:27, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

-- Basically the section stated previously that online functionality for all games was stopped on March 31st, 2016. This however was not the case. This was a rumor based on the fact that Sony would be shutting down the DNAS servers for Final Fantasy 11. This lead to articles being writing that all games would stop working once this happened. However, many games did not experience issues until April 4th, 2016, and some other games still work even after both of these dates. The cited source for this was playstation2.onlineconsoles.com, but this site made no mention of the date specifically.

I own a PS2, and online still does work for the games I own. However I understand that this is probably considered "original research" so we cannot use it. I also know of many internet forums where this fact has been discussed like ps2onlinegaming.com as one example. However after reading the guidelines that Ferret linked to me, it seems that, via wikipedia's guidelines, it seems that all internet forums are sweepingly deemed questionable sources. How can we make it so this section of the article contains the true information, but also make it verifiable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.114.25.254 (talk) 03:46, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

I accidentally double posted, my b.