User talk:SilentResident

Proposed deletion of Aristos Kasmiroglu

The article Aristos Kasmiroglu has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 20:07, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

You were too quick with your notification, you placed it right before I add the sources. Just left you a message on your talk page too. -- SILENTRESIDENT 20:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC

You have rushed to add the tag. Now that the sources have been added, the tag has been removed. Please let me know if there is still any problem. Have a good day. -- SILENTRESIDENT 20:32, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Just happened to see this, thanks for the new article, and I was just about to remove that BLP-PROD when beat me to it. (Might be wiser to leave such a removal to somebody else in the future though). Just two observations: Please, please, learn to provide references giving more than just naked URLs. If our clashes over the other articles should have shown you something, it is that bare-url footnotes lead to all sorts of problems later on (not to mention that these Greek ones also look horrible on the page). No need to use the whole machinery of the {{cite web}} templates and stuff if you find those cumbersome; just any reasonably recognizable arrangement of author, title, publisher, date will be fine. The other thing is that you translated this page from el-wp. That's fine, but even when copying/translating from one Wikimedia project to the other, you need source attribution to comply with copyright rules. See Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Translating from other language Wikimedia projects for details. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:40, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, a question. I noticed the problem on Italian-Greece page and this is a problem I don't know how to solve. While I have indeed seen editors making such well-done citations that include text + author + date + page (that provide access to sourced info even when sourced page becomes unavailable) and thus survive over time. How they do that citation coding to work without problems? I have tried several times but it seems I suck in citation coding. Code always shows as broken and with the full url instead. Any tips on citation coding will be much appreciated. -- SILENTRESIDENT 20:45, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

If can someone has a minute from his free time to explain me which exact command from [[1]] can work best when citing newspapers, will be very grateful. -- SILENTRESIDENT 20:50, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I can fully understand you find the templates difficult to work with; fortunately there isn't really any need to use them. You can just provide the necessary info in normal wikitext, the way you'd see them cited in any academic article too, and put the url as a normal external link "hidden" under the title. I'll do one of the entries in your new article for you as a model to show what I mean. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, dear Fut Perf. The way I cited them now, is very ugly. -- SILENTRESIDENT 20:54, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

See here [2]. For an article in a book, as you often need for history articles and the like, you'd do something like: "Writer, John (2006): What I always wanted to write an article about. In: Max Editman (ed.), The Most Important Book on Earth, Berlin: De Gruyter, pp. 100–140." Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:01, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Now it works! Did this on the 2nd ref. It doesn't seem to be broken this time. I m very grateful. -- SILENTRESIDENT 21:03, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

User:Future Perfect at Sunrise also, another problem I had but couldn't figure out, is the conversion of ou from Greek to u or ou in English. Could you see on the problem I have with convention of Greek names to English? I see how the Turkish articles (i.e. Ahmet Davutoglu are using u instead of ou, but not exactly sure about Greek ones. So the article's name is correct as Aristos Kasmiroglu or should have been Aristos Kasmiroglou?. -- SILENTRESIDENT 20:58, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Ah, that, we're typically not very consistent about that, but in principle the idea is that we should follow the guideline at WP:GREEK. It seems to have "ou" for "ου". Actual Turkish names in -oğlu will of course be rendered according to Turkish Latin orthography, but for Greek names with this borrowed suffix there's no reason not to stick with our standard convention for Greek Romanization. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:06, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I see. OK I think the article better be moved from Aristos Kasmiroglu -> Aristos Kasmiroglou, just to stay safe. If you, or someoene else with admin privileges can do this, will be much appreciated. Because it is a newly created article, initiating a Move Request is kinda pointless within the very same day it was created. Or should I initiate one in the article's talk page? -- SILENTRESIDENT 21:14, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Actually, for such a simple technical renaming, especially on your own article, you can easily just go ahead and move it yourself, no need for either admin tools or a formal request first. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Done. Took me a while to find the "Move Page" button on Wikipedia's User Interface, was hidden beneath an arrow. Now the page is moved to Aristos Kasmiroglou and links from other pages to it have been updated accordingly. -- SILENTRESIDENT 00:24, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Arbitration Enforcement

As you have probably seen, the case has been closed with an implicit warning. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:49, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

By the way, I agree that creating an incomplete article in mainspace is essentially taking a gamble on having it tagged. Create the article in user space and move it to mainspace when you have all of the references in it. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:49, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon, Athenean, Alexikoua, Iazyges, Anthony Appleyard, and Dennis Brown: Yes, thankfully it seems it is over. I have no words to describe how happy, relieved and grateful I am. Both for your unanimous support towards me in that notorious OR/SYNTH case, and for User:Dennis Brown's implicit warning to User:DevilWearsBrioni for his deeds.

Now that finally it is over, I will delve to Wikipedia's guidelines which I may have missed previously to familiarize myself with, because somehow I got the impression that ignorance for certain rules have contributed (in part) to the failure to tackle more effectively with this kind of disruption caused by certain editors on ARBMAC protected articles, and have allowed the OR/SYNTH case to escalate and get out of control in the first place. If any new questions arise in the future, may I seek for your advise? Your advises proven to be very useful. Βonsoir. -- SILENTRESIDENT 17:01, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon:, regarding the user space - what is that? The user page is the sandbox, I guess? Can we use the sandbox for such work? That could be handy. -- SILENTRESIDENT 17:07, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Sure thing, hopefully this will mean the end of the dispute. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 17:15, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Usually the editors heel to such warnings. I believe this marks the end of the dispute. -- SILENTRESIDENT 18:15, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

The sandbox is a user page. A user page is any page in the private space of a user, which is preceded by identifying the user. I will try to look to see where user space is properly described. However, an example is User:Robert McClenon/Mediation Rules, where I specify the rules under which I accept a dispute for informal mediation. That is a case of my using user space on a permanent basis, but one can also use user space for draft articles and then move them into article space. One can use the sandbox for that purpose, but it is not the only user page that can be used for draft articles. If you want more advice, you may ask for help at the Teahouse or the Help Desk. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:34, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

I see. In my case, I think I will just limit myself to the use of Sandbox because I am not exactly sure how to create User sub pages that are linked to the user main page. -- SILENTRESIDENT 18:15, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

The easiest way (to me) is to create a link on your user page to the page you want to create, ie: User:SilentResident/My cool new page (or pipe it to a shorter name My cool new page) first, then save your user page, then go follow that link and create the page. That way you have a link back to it on your main page at all times. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 18:43, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Ahh, it is much simpler than I thought. Thanks a lot. -- SILENTRESIDENT 20:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Didymotheico mosque in Tourist article

I will not fight to keep the mosque in the gallery, actually I am not very fond of such galleries. But since the gallery is there, I can see three reasons to keep the mosque:

• Even if the interior is closed to the public (and has been for ages), it is actually the mosque's exterior and its history that makes it special. I have myself been guided there on a "cultural trip" in Northern Greece many years ago, and I have later helped guiding on a similar trip. Even with the new protective roof, it will still be a place of great interest for tourists with interest in history and architecture.
• It was the only picture from Thrace in the gallery.
• It was the only Ottoman monument in the gallery.

The two last objections could, of course, be remedied by other pictures. There is, by the way, a much better picture of the mosque in Commons. As you will se, I have exchanged it in the "Islam in Greece" article. --T*U (talk) 19:19, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Like I said: it makes no sense to include in the Tourism in Greece a closed and off-limits area for tourists. That you can go and visit the public areas around it, does not mean the building itself, is a tourist destination. The building's interior is closed to the tourists who may be interested in the monument and the authorities do not permit entry. Nor the immediate area around it offers organized reception for tourists either. As you may have noticed, the list in the Tourism article tries to include only landmarks that are open and organized for tourism. In the list, all the buildings you will find, are places prepared and organized for tourists, offering them access to both interiors and exteriors. Greece has many buildings of historical significance which nowadays remain off limits to the tourists. The gallery has none of them for obvious reasons, no matter how significant these buildings were, historically or contemporary.

If you deem a building or area as being noteworthy or significant, despite accepting no tourists in it, then feel free to add it to articles more relevant to its purpose. -- SILENTRESIDENT 21:38, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

One thing

Can you please, please, please, get rid of that habit of tinkering with your own postings on talkpages dozens of times every time you post something? It's bad manners. Such edits are polluting the edit history, they make it difficult to follow the progression of a discussion or to link to it, and they can be extremely annoying if somebody is trying to respond to you quickly but keeps getting into edit-conflicts with your follow-up edits (happened to me half a dozen times the other day). Just try some self-discipline: think before you press save, not after.

Also, in your own interest, you should seriously consider cutting down on the sheer volume of what you post in the future. Volume is not making your arguments more persuasive. On that Macedonia page, it's gone way beyond the "tl;dr" stage now. If that RfC ever had the chance of arriving at some conclusion, that chance is now gone for good. No outside observer is going to cut through all that verbiage in order to add some much-needed, fresh outside opinion there any longer. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:48, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

As if you really cared about a uninvolved party's opinion on this. From the moment you have opposed the RfC, what can I say? I expected more from you but you have disappointed me, Future Perfect. I am sad. But I guess, this is Wikipedic life, right?

EDIT: And sorry for my writing focus disorter. I am trying to limit it but a health issue is not as easily controllable as you may believe.

EDIT: I saw the history log. I hoped that the edits could go unnoticed since it is only a Talk page. -- SILENTRESIDENT 21:14, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Personal Email

Hi SResident! Do you know if there is a way to communicate with other wikipedians through email? I hope you do! Thanks! NickTheRipper (talk) 21:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

On the left side of your screen, where there are various links such as "Main Page", "Random Article", "Help", etc. Perhaps the "Email this User" under the Tools section is what you seek. Hope that helps. -- SILENTRESIDENT 22:02, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes! That was what I wanted. Thanks so much! NickTheRipper (talk) 14:31, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Let's reduce the environmental impact of the Wikimedia movement!

Hi SilentResident, please allow me to get in touch because you have stated sympathy with environmental causes on your user page. I would like to invite you to check out the Environmental impact project page on Meta, where I am trying to create some momentum to reduce the environmental impact of the Wikimedia movement. My first goal is to have all the Wikimedia servers run on renewable energy. Maybe you could show your support for this project as well by adding your signature here? Thank you, --Gnom (talk) 22:13, 15 January 2017 (UTC)