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:"Freedom of speech is the right to articulate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship, or societal sanction." Free speech as a concept is less about censorship (or retaliation etc.) in specific places and more about global forms of censorship. "The internet" as a whole is censored (beyond the usual exceptions given in the intro) in some countries, e.g. China, but not in other countries. "The internet" does not stop you from making your own website and publishing your speech there. The country you live in might try to stop you, but then it's government censorship which is discussed in the article. Perhaps we should give a better explanation in the lede to clarify these differences. I don't know very much about the workplace stuff, but usually that's the employer, not the government or society as a whole, and so not directly covered by a right to free speech.
:"Freedom of speech is the right to articulate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship, or societal sanction." Free speech as a concept is less about censorship (or retaliation etc.) in specific places and more about global forms of censorship. "The internet" as a whole is censored (beyond the usual exceptions given in the intro) in some countries, e.g. China, but not in other countries. "The internet" does not stop you from making your own website and publishing your speech there. The country you live in might try to stop you, but then it's government censorship which is discussed in the article. Perhaps we should give a better explanation in the lede to clarify these differences. I don't know very much about the workplace stuff, but usually that's the employer, not the government or society as a whole, and so not directly covered by a right to free speech.
:You bring up and interesting point though, that if people can never speak freely without fear of retribution or censorship, even if not because of government, then having free speech is pretty meaningless. Not sure how many good sources there are that talk about this, but if you can find some this certainly seems relevant to me. [[User:BananaCarrot152|BananaCarrot152]] ([[User talk:BananaCarrot152|talk]]) 19:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
:You bring up and interesting point though, that if people can never speak freely without fear of retribution or censorship, even if not because of government, then having free speech is pretty meaningless. Not sure how many good sources there are that talk about this, but if you can find some this certainly seems relevant to me. [[User:BananaCarrot152|BananaCarrot152]] ([[User talk:BananaCarrot152|talk]]) 19:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
:No one wants my opinion, but I'd say there's a distinction between whether there's an ''obligation'' to free speech (there's not) vs. whether we can still discuss if the concept of free speech applies to private platforms, which I believe it does. Some people claim that we can't even talk about free speech in the first place, since if I censor and ban you that's just my free speech too, but I think that's fallacious. [[Special:Contributions/108.41.148.51|108.41.148.51]] ([[User talk:108.41.148.51|talk]]) 10:17, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

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I'm moving this paragraph here from the article's Internet censorship section. I don't deny that it's true, nor that it belongs on Wikipedia, but that section is not the place for it. That section is meant to give a quick overview of the topic of internet censorship in the context of the broader article topic of freedom of speech. That one columnist condemned another columnist, who approved of a politician, who made a proposal that wasn't carried through, is a relatively minor detail. This sort of thing happens every day. There is nothing to indicate what is special about these events in January 2013. That a French minister proposed forcing Twitter to censor hate speech is perhaps relevant, but we don't have to go into every reaction to it, and we should be conveying a global picture of where and whether online hate speech opposes freedom of speech.

Najat Vallaud-Belkacem a French Socialist Minister of Women's Rights proposed that the French government force Twitter to filter out hate speech that is illegal under French law, such as speech that is homophobic. Jason Farago, writing in the The Guardian praised the efforts to "restrict bigotry's free expression",[1] while Glenn Greenwald sharply condemned the efforts and Farago's column.[2]

  1. ^ Farago, Jason (2 January 2013). "In praise of Vallaud-Belkacem, or why not to tolerate hate speech on Twitter". The Guardian. London. Retrieved 4 January 2013.
  2. ^ "France's censorship demands to Twitter are more dangerous than 'hate speech'". Retrieved 6 October 2013.

Free speech on university campuses

Is there an article specifically about the state of free speech on university campuses?

If not, perhaps there should be a section here.

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Free speech for employees - at work, after work

I am running into more and more claims that a person has no rights to free speech while at work or even possibly after work. I read of one lady who was fired by her employer because she displayed a political bumper sticker on her automobile considered to be counter to the company's interests and the termination was upheld by a US court. How can that be in American democracy? Some blogs claim that employment is slavery where you surrender your rights for the opportunity of earning a wage. DHT863 (talk) 20:09, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Free speech rights online

I am running into numerous claims that say a person has no rights to free speech online because the venue used is in private ownership meaning if they disagree with a viewpoint then they can remove that comment even if it does not violate any contracts requiring good proper and civil behavior. DHT863 (talk) 20:08, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That is how I understand it. It's as if you went to someone else's property and wrote on a chalkboard; the owner has every right to erase your "speech", and you have no right to stay there against the owner's wishes. Remember that this holds on wikipedia too; WP:NOTFREESPEECH. Cheers, BananaCarrot152 (talk) 20:24, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Free speech -- at least in the United States -- does not place an obligation on any private party to provide a platform for speech they find loathsome. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 00:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

These are profound statements and of vital importance to the topic of free speech. The majority of our lives is denied free speech online and at work then what is the point of a topic on the concept if it is not allowed? The above comments need to be part of the topic of free speech. Is it possible to include the denial of free speech at work and online?DHT863 (talk) 18:21, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Freedom of speech is the right to articulate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship, or societal sanction." Free speech as a concept is less about censorship (or retaliation etc.) in specific places and more about global forms of censorship. "The internet" as a whole is censored (beyond the usual exceptions given in the intro) in some countries, e.g. China, but not in other countries. "The internet" does not stop you from making your own website and publishing your speech there. The country you live in might try to stop you, but then it's government censorship which is discussed in the article. Perhaps we should give a better explanation in the lede to clarify these differences. I don't know very much about the workplace stuff, but usually that's the employer, not the government or society as a whole, and so not directly covered by a right to free speech.
You bring up and interesting point though, that if people can never speak freely without fear of retribution or censorship, even if not because of government, then having free speech is pretty meaningless. Not sure how many good sources there are that talk about this, but if you can find some this certainly seems relevant to me. BananaCarrot152 (talk) 19:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No one wants my opinion, but I'd say there's a distinction between whether there's an obligation to free speech (there's not) vs. whether we can still discuss if the concept of free speech applies to private platforms, which I believe it does. Some people claim that we can't even talk about free speech in the first place, since if I censor and ban you that's just my free speech too, but I think that's fallacious. 108.41.148.51 (talk) 10:17, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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