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James Ibold

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Musician who appears to fail WP:NMUSIC. The only sources are either not independent or just provide mentions. Cordless Larry (talk) 05:52, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I have no agenda here or knowledge of this musician, but I thought that I'd mention that someone (IP) keeps removing the AfD tag. I've now reverted this twice because I happened to notice it but I can't guard the thing ;) Elinruby (talk) 07:07, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I've requested page protection. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:13, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Protected for one day. If it keeps happening after it expires, hit me up on my talk page and I'll protect it until the AfD closes. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

• DeleteNeutral Fails both WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG. Most sources are written by the subject and therefore are not independent. The remaining ones don't even mention the subject. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 20:05, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Switched to neutral, as new sources have been added that could help meet WP:GNG I can't evaluate if it is enough for inclusion so I am not yet ready for a keep !vote. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 21:47, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

• Delete There are some sources that seem to be valid but not enough to clearly establish WP:GNG since there have been no new ones added and especially because of the argument with legal threats included against Cordless Larry. This seems to be a clear case of a conflict of interest from the now blocked author so I also feel it should be deleted. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:18, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

• Yes, I should point out that a previous revision of the article, which can be seen here, had more sourced listed. They mostly seem to be local coverage. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. The only sources cited that mention James Ibold are his record label's website. All the others don't mention him at all or mention him in passing. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 21:30, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep vote because, James Ibold played with everybody all through this area for years. The Musician has met both WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC.--Pete-Durkin (talk) 02:45, 14 August 2017 (UTC) — Pete-Durkin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

I object to the removal of James Ibold's wiki page and reliable source's are cited.--MiInReAs (talk) 07:59, 13 August 2017 (UTC) I cite that this a little more than a mention : Local musician James Ibold met Duskin at Dollar Bills in the 1970s, and has since traveled the world to perform with him. The guitarist says that Duskin... so on and so on. And there are many quotes. It is from a Major City News Paper Sunday article. The writers take pride in their work! Reliable source's are cited... James Ibold was a Legend in Southern Ohio/Indiana/Kentucky in the 80's and very, very high quality. I won't add any more text to the offering until. --MiInReAs (talk) 09:03, 13 August 2017 (UTC) The reference was cited as requested and outlined in the : Proposed deletion of biographies of living people as follows:

The proposed deletion process for unsourced biographies requires all biographies of living persons to have at least one reliable source that supports at least one statement about the subject. Once the article is tagged in this manner, the tag may not be removed until such a source is provided. If none is forthcoming, the article may be deleted after seven days. This does not affect any other deletion process.

Lady's and Gentleman of the Wikipedia editorial site; I have many reliable sources cited that support claims. I have added....

The one included I will cite is from: The Cincinnati Enquirer from Sunday February 6, 2005 Page 52,

"Local musician James Ibold met Duskin at Dollar Bills in the 1970s, and has since traveled the world to perform with him. The guitarist says that Duskin is noted for his strongly melodic song structures and his skilled left-hand runs on the keyboard. Learned from the greats Duskin provides one of the last living connections to Meade Lux Lewis, Pete Johnson, Albert Ammons and the other musicians who forged the boogie woogie style, Ibold says. "Joe is the direct descendent and learned directly from them," he says. "He is definitely the king of the boogie woogie."

Now I have stated Big Joe Duskin introduced James Ibold as his "consummate guitarist for over thirty years" on their final performance together on the Arches Piano Stage at the Cincinnati Blues Festival. Big Joe Duskin's statement about the subject of James Ibold and a newspaper article supporting Claims from a Reliable Source states: since the 70's Ibold has traveled the world to perform with him.

Those are and have at least one reliable source that supports at least one statement about the subject.

That is the verbatim definition of your Proposed deletion of biographies of living people.

Please acknowledge the references supplied for James Ibold and vote for inclusion.MiInReAs (talk) 23:48, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

• A single reliable source is all that is required to save a BLP from proposed deletion, MiInReAs, but this is not the proposed deletion process. The standard for keeping an article (specifically the notability standard) subject to an AfD discussion is higher. What we require is significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:18, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

• Note: MiInReAs has now been blocked for making legal threats against me. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, article does not appear to meet notability criteria.--SamHolt6 (talk) 13:53, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Anmccaff (talk) 14:49, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
• Delete Complete blank on a news search. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
• Delete I was unable to find any significant coverage in independent, reliable sources about Ibold. Yes, Big Joe Duskin was notable and Ibold sometimes backed him on guitar but Ibold does not gain notability from playing along with Duskin. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:46, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
• Keep I heard him play... notable mention 64.134.174.195 (talk) 11:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC) — 64.134.174.195 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Unfortunately, whether you heard someone play or not isn't how notability is judged on Wikipedia, IP editor. Please see WP:NOTABILITY and WP:NMUSIC. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:04, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep I’m so happy you said that Larry, notability is subjective.24.172.216.2 (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2017 (UTC)