Talk:Aangan (2018 TV series)

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Hi! Sorry, I may not be available on wikipedia for few days, I am messaging here after my edits (linked in heading) on Aangan (TV series) page have been reverted by an anonymous; probably the creater of page.

• I said that I shortened the length of lead, though I got reply, "the lead should be of four paragraphs". I have checked WP:TVLEAD, there is no such a word there like "four" or "forth".
• I had changed some categories per WP:SUBCAT.
• I added Template:Official website in "External link" section, which I think is better to use than manual linking.
• I don't remember much, I might have filled some Template:Cite news here too.
  • One, I could say that if |work=The Express Tribune than do not write |title=XYZ - The Express Tribune; it is useless repetition.
  • In |work=, I have linked The Express Tribune, DAWN Images and The News. The News may have been piped wrongly but it worths only in Pakistani articles, as not to overlink in other references in same page.
• I said I had removed excessive references, which means that the refs added here are either not related to the topic, or too outdated old, or too many to support one thing.
• This might be correct as sourced that the shooting "has started" but saying this is hardly correct that it "is going on".
• [[Sonya Hussain|Soniya]]; this is totally useless per WP:NOPIPE.
• Also, see this for disambiguation; current TV series on ARY Digital.

When my edits were reverted, the reply I got was, "Please please I beg you don't revert it." OK, then let me explain what's in MOS:TV, and why I think my edits should be brought back. Per Template:Infobox television:

• In |starring= section, there should only be names of leading cast; like for here; Ahsan Khan and Mawra Hocane as said by the sources given.
  • Not to mention every name in infobox or even lead paragraph, or why is there "Cast" heading below? Better to give much details in "Production" section per MOS:TV.
• In |picture_format= section, "Do not use "SDTV" as it is ambiguous."
  • However, according to Pakistani television, adding PAL (576i) would be better, with either HDTV 720p or better HDTV 1080i.
• I removed some infobox parameters, that may not be needed on this page.
• |distributor=Hum Network Limited and |network=Hum TV; both are separate parameters and should be used correctly.
• |released= is for episode or television special. For television series, use only |first_aired=<!--{{Start date|df=y|2018|4|}}--> and |last_aired=<!--{{End date|df=y|||}}--> parameters. Don't write April 2018 manually.
• Adding other languages in prose is not good. That's why there is a parameter |native_name={{Infobox name module|ur|{{Nq|آنگن}}}}, so use it.

However, only the following templates that I added are brought back in the page:

{{otheruses|Aangan (disambiguation)}}
{{Use dmy dates|date=November 2017}}
{{Use Pakistani English|date=November 2017}}

"I think you should familiarize yourself with WP:MOSTV before editing such articles." Please reply, Thanks! M. Billoo 03:56, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: Firstly, I am very thankful to you that you have not removed those 4 paragraphs lead. It's good to have leads of 4 paragraphs. I don't know where I heard about "having lead of 4 paragraphs", maybe somewhere at bio page, but "quality is better than quantity" and so I try my best to increase quality of article now than the idea that it should be broken. When we have plenty of references, it's not always good to break them. Good that you have fixed some good things, but try not to remove any of the reference of the lead, for verifiability. Yes, you can help by adding some new sections, as in WP:MOSTV and for that purpose, you can, you can remove some of the lead paragraph with reference if needed. Thanks! 39.38.6.75 (talk) 15:48, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Because you begged me for that; may be you are the same one, right… why don't you sign up? Add up-to-date reference that proves "shooting is still going on". If you agree to my points above, you can change the head "Filming" into "Production". There is so much news out there, espacially Ahsan Khan's interviews with WP:RS. You yourself can see who are lead actors to include their names in infobox and lead para; and other supporting cast under "Production". Please reply, Thanks! M. Billoo 16:16, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: Aaa! The thing is, however, Wikipedia is not a place for future events and that if future event is supported by a WP:RS, then it is allowed. Here thing is that the drama will air from April 2018 and that's confirmed, but the fact that the shooting was started from 4 November 2017 when Soniya signed it is written nowhere. So I just wrote that "shooting has started and is going on" because that thing, that shooting started on 4 November, was only told by lead actor Ahsan in instagram. Since there was no any Template:cite instagram as it is there for {{{cite twitter}}}, I thought it right to simplify it. About the section "Filming", I have divided the "Background and Production" into parts, as mentioned in WP:MOSTV. So, it's bad idea yet to replace "Production" with "Filming". --39.38.19.29 (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

I request you to sign up first, please. Secondly, I didn't understand the context in which you replied. I said you to write the air date in Template:Start Date, as "2018|4||"; not manually April 2018 (as you said it is sourced). I also wanted to say that replace, "shooting has started and is still going on" to "the shooting took place in [city] in [whatever date or just month if sourced]." There must be some reliable source that verifies instagram post, or as I said that Ahsan Khan has given many interviews recently. Either you didn't understand me, or I don't know what are you trying to say. Since, you bagged me not to revert, I don't know if you let me edit the page. Thanks! M. Billoo 17:33, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: Unfortunately, the full start date of the drama is unknown. But the fact that it will be on air from April 2018 is the true fact (as the shooting has started from 4 November 2017), because it's likely that the dramas take no more than 5 months of shooting, specially on this channel. And speaking about shooting, so, Ahsan has indeed given many interviews on Aangan, but each one only tells that "according to Ahsan, the play is set in 1920s (and 1930s) and he will soon start shooting." This is embarrassing that nothing has come into news about his shooting for 'Aangan' has started. I don't still want that fact to be removed, but... if it is really against Wikipedia policy, you are allowed to cut the line "the shooting has started and is going on".😞 39.38.31.105 (talk) 14:07, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: Aa! What are those inclined comments you have written? 39.38.35.145 (talk) 16:56, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't notified of your message, because you mistakenly added the template:Ping wrongly. Thanks for asking. See MOS:TV, and other Good Articles (e.g. SpongeBob SquarePants). Usually the lead section does not need too many references, and so the "Cast" section. May be one or two paragraphs are enough in lead to explain the article in summarized form. The references are to-be shifted down under the "Production" section, alongwith the names of recurring/supporting cast. As the paragraph is "lead", it only requires the info of "lead" actors and so "leading" info. Not all to-be repeated in the lead. The repeats might be seen in WP:OVERLINK and WP:CITEKILL too. Thanks! M. Billoo 16:49, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I have collected some points, and removed the overlinks and citekills, and tried to make the page look good. I think this is the way we could solve the problem, or else I have to tag the page for CE. A copy of it, I have saved in my personal backup, and wishing to apply it here shortly after. Please sign up, so anyone could also notify you easily, like you notify me on your messages. Thanks! M. Billoo 22:27, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi! As I have seen that you recently edited the page and removed citekill from BizAsia, I accepted your that move. But, why didn't you message here? I mean, I don't know if it was the same user as you, and that's why I say you to please sign up! You can check out the page, I have made some edits. Before changing anything, first discuss here. Though, I cannot notify you due to you are not a logged-in user, you can still notify me as you know. Waiting for your comments, Thanks! M. Billoo 05:42, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I want this article to look like american shows like Riverdale, which are of nice creativity. But it looks like, you don't want to do it. Please leave this article alone and if you wish, I may revert all citekill tags back. You removed entire 2,000+ bytes without even discussing. And similarly, I don't want to sign up and please don't force me. I am jealous of American shows, if you ask. I am surprised that how the shows aired on 8 December, are such improved artucles and I have seen these all things in those. Please leave this article. 39.38.58.164 (talk) 12:23, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

You didn't notified me once again, and you're wrong here, "You removed entire 2,000+ bytes without even discussing". The message is already above, and you edited the page meanwhile but didn't respond here. Now talking about Riverdale article, again you have gone wrong in this one. You are continuously giving the reference of MOS:TV wrongly in your edits! I have said that the next step of mine would be tagging this article for CE. You are comparing this non-sense article by you with a well-written article Riverdale. The reason English articles are well-written is that the number of editors contributing using WP:RS. But you don't seemed to be maintaining the page; one of the reference you have linked twice, some of them are really citekills, with one being not even related to the topic due to its outdate 2015. I told you that the phrase "shooting is started and going on" was unsourced then, which I sourced today by one of your given BizAsia ref and two of my searched RS. Also, I told that the introduction paragraph does not require references. I tried to talk nicely, even I was discussing here since your first revert. But you seemed to be angry, and once again reverted my edits. You don't want to sign in, then never ever say "without even discussing"! Flagging the article, so a senior user could check it more better way.

"BEWARE OF JEALOUSY! FOR VERILY IT DESTROYS GOOD DEEDS THE WAY FIRE DESTROYS WOOD" ~ Prophet Muhammad

May be, my next step for this article would be something else, but I am not leaving as it is on news and I also want to make it up to date. Hope I have replied, No Thanks! Because waiting for your reply is now like wasting precious time. I will keep contributing my best, and wishing to not be involved in WP:EW. M. Billoo 18:11, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

You are a Muslim and that's a good thing. Yet no etiquettes and changes I have found on you which should be on Muslims. No thanks! Leave it. This article is well sourced and all are RS but I don't know why you are again and again blaming for Un-RS. If you have seen things of citekill, the solution is simple, you should remove them. But what's this? You are cutting 2,000+ bytes and that thing you didn't even discuss. And also, I have you choice, that if you find "shooting it's still going on" bad, even you can remove that line but you refused. Then why you are taunting me? Yet if you don't want to leave, you will yourself lose editing privileges. 39.38.61.193 (talk) 09:31, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Praise you, are you afraid of notifying me? ¿"You are cutting 2,000+ bytes and that thing you didn't even discuss."? Have you seen the content on the page I added? Have you even checked the amount of references you have added? I am pretty sure the answer would be "No", because the thing you were watching was only and only those 2KB data. What matters in the encyclopedia is the content and its presentation. And don't be religious here, you said you were jealous and I just replied you without being religious. No Thanks! M. Billoo 20:20, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Please review again

Hi KGirlTrucker81! I request you to please review the page once again. Please check the difference between the time you reviewed, and then the look it has right now. Which is acceptable, was I trying to destroy the article in view of MOS:TV? Also, please check User:M.Billoo2000/sandbox/Aangan (Hum TV) and let me know iff you found something unsourced or wrong, and compare it with this page. Am I trying to do it right or not? Please check this talk page also, and let me know your comments. Thanks! M. Billoo 20:20, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: Overall, the sourcing looks good, and I guess you're a good faith editor who tries to not "destroy the article to comply with MOS:TV guidelines." In your sandbox page, there's nothing wrong or have any unsourced claims. KGirl ^{(Wanna chat?)} 22:58, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@KGirlTrucker81: Thanks for your time! In this page, one reference has been linked twice by the user, and one reference is of 2015 which I don't think helps here. Some of them I think are un-needed, because they tell the same thing, so repeated. That's why I had to edit page, but that anonymous has reverted my edits once again. I also added some up to date content, but it got removed. So, I decided to put up my edited code in sandbox, and then I flagged this article for cleanup. Still, the user is not understanding, I thought you could help then. Thanks! M. Billoo 23:05, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: If you want to remove only references, I will not disallow you. But please, don't remove other things. Remove all citekill references. Reason for my angerness is you are cutting entire 3 paragraph lead, which you shouldnot do. 39.38.0.133 (talk) 07:00, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Compare this page with my sandbox first, linked above. Seems like you have problem only with the removal of lead paragraphs. Don't see just number of paragraphs, and tell me if you think I am citing wrongly. Want to know your comments on my sandbox. M. Billoo 07:04, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: I have removed some references, which I thought were bad. Speaking about your sandbox, it's nice try. But some basic components it is missing are: "Main Cast" and "Recurring Cast", Uzma Hassan is not the part of Aangan cast and lastly I have also heard that Wikipedia is not the bulk of information or means what people really say about their roles, I mean that all experiences of cast should not be written in the article. Just 1-2 experiences because it makes it contrary to WP:Copyright Violations. I think you have understood now?! 39.38.0.133 (talk) 07:17, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Aangan is not written by Mustafa Afridi, it is written by Khadija Mastoor, screenplay is done by Mustafa Afridi, mistake in your sandbox. 39.38.0.133 (talk) 07:20, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

It will be good if users are notified in lead that the cast has worked in Haasil and Yaqeen Ka Safar. That looks bizarre that half of the information, useful for readers, is written in Production section. Lead is the first thing which most people see. And lastly, Ahad Raza Mir should not be like Ahad Raza Mir.

For WP:C-P, see [1] and my sandbox doesn't violate. For Uzma Hassan, her name is sourced. Please read in complete context, "Written by Mustafa Afridi, the screenplay is based on the famous novel of same name by Khadija Mastoor." Maybe I have been mistaken in "Main" and "Recurring". See Draft:Ahad Raza Mir, soon could become an article, who knows. M. Billoo 07:32, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: It still contains some citekill references, like "Chupan Chupai" and "Neelum Muneer" one. 39.38.0.133 (talk) 07:35, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Still not agreed with the lead, I mean some references you should provide too in lead. 39.38.0.133 (talk) 07:38, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Told you, the 2 Daily Times refs prove your sentence "shooting is going on", so not citekill.

You removed sourced Uzma Hassan and Omair Rana?

If Haasil and Yaqeen Ka Safar dramas name in lead para, then OK remove these names from Production.

Exactly which lines you think are overwritten? I know, which ref can be shared in lead? M. Billoo 07:42, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Man! You've edited wrongly and caught by a senior user (notifying EvergreenFir) under unexplained removal. This is the problem many anonymous IPs face, and you don't want to sign in. The english drama article you mentioned, have you seen the amount of refs in its lead and lead's length? Have you sean any other drama name in lead, except for its spin off? Also, have you checked [2], your edits fall under C-P violation of [3], though it is a quotation but as you said above, "I mean that all experiences of cast should not be written in the article […] I think you have understood now". I don't know why I went to agree you on some points, still I had to disagree on many others. I will go with my edited version of sandbox, so had to undo your edit there. M. Billoo 08:24, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

You have left me spellbound. Do whatever you want to.39.38.2.24 (talk) 16:45, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Are you really sure that Uzma Hassan is part of the cast? Other things are good. 39.38.3.7 (talk) 04:28, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

OK OK! this reference proves that Uzma Hassan is part of Aangan Cast. Sorry for all things! You can now paste your sandbox. Be sure because I also caught some grammatical mistakes in production section. Best wishes! 39.38.3.7 (talk) 04:36, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

And also, write Uzma Hassan instead of Uzma Hassan. 39.38.3.7 (talk) 04:39, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done M. Billoo 04:47, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

I was supposed to place the "Done" before your today's message. Some red wikilinks are valid, as I told you for Ahad Raza Mir. Sometime soon, the page for Uzma Hassan could be created. Please bring forward the grammar mistakes, Thanks! M. Billoo 04:58, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: "Abid Ali and Zaib Rehman signed the project in the roles of parents of Ahsan's role." "Omair Rana and Uzma Hassan also signed in for supporting roles". This grammar is confusing me slightly. 39.38.3.7 (talk) 05:05, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

 Fixed casting section.

But lead? see, "…based on the novel of the same name by J. K. Rowling…The film…was written by Steve Kloves…" (a good article). So do I wrote, "Written by Mustafa, screenplay is based on novel by Khadija…" This might not have created confusion. But, to me, "Written by Khadija Mastoor, the drama is based on her famous novel of the same name, while the screenplay is done by Mustafa Afridi." creates mis-understanding something like "Khadija's novel is written by herself". M. Billoo 05:21, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: That doesn't matter much. There are several articles like Saya-e-Dewar Bhi Nahi and Alif Allah which are also novel-based but still claimed to be written by same writer. 39.38.3.97 (talk) 05:43, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Are those GA? I referenced you a sentence from the GA. You replied me in some other context, while I was saying to make the sentence similar with what's written on the GA, because here we have two writers; one who wrote novel and other who converted it into play. M. Billoo 06:16, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Maybe that article's references be proving that the play is written by that writer but there are no references proving that article is written by Mustafa Afridi but instead they say that Mustafa Afridi has only done screenplay of the drama. 39.38.3.238 (talk) 09:24, 26 December 2017 (UTC)