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:[[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] Thank you. I agree and am using the Talk page to seek consensus. In general, editors should not make wholesale deletions of relevant and properly referenced material without consensus at the Talk page.—[[User:LithiumFlash|LithiumFlash]] ([[User talk:LithiumFlash#top|talk]]) 15:45, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

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FYI, Brit or American Engish is an article-by-article thing, based on article subject affiliation, or sometimes which way the article was initially edited. WP:CHESS-related articles consist of both. Ok, --IHTS (talk) 06:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Chess

This doesn't really fit at the article, and in any case is it "folk knowledge", which is hard to find a reference for. But I can explain what the situation is with Chess. Let's say the usual game of chess is called C. We can make a new game, C1, which is played the same, except that anything other than a win for player 1 is considered a win for player 2. So although C can have stalemates or other complications, C1 cannot. Now, by the usual results about games without ties, one player or the other has a winning strategy in C1.

Similarly, we can make a third game C2 which is played just like C, except that anything other than an outright win by player 2 is considered a win for player 1. Again, one of the two players has a winning strategy in C2.

Now, a winning strategy for player 1 in C1 is also a winning strategy for player 1 in C, and a winning strategy for player 2 in C2 is also a winning strategy for player 2 in C. So there are three options:

  1. Player 1 has a winning strategy in C1, and so Player 1 has a winning strategy in Chess
  2. Player 2 has a winning strategy in C2, and so Player 2 has a winning strategy in Chess
  3. Neither of the above bullets hold. This means that player 2 has a winning strategy in C1 and player 1 has a winning strategy in C2. This means that both players can force the game to go to a stalemate - neither player can force themselves to win by skilled play.

So that is the situation with Chess being determined. The same thing applied to any game with ties: either one player can force a win, or both players can force a tie. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:08, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Because Chess (real world) has ties, it does not fit into the framework of Determinacy, so can't say that it "is determined" or "is not determined" in that sense - the definition there does not apply, so we can't say anything there. This is why I wanted to explain here on your talk page what the more general situation is with chess. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:22, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Moreover, the article does not "dance around" the issue, it is completely specific: "If such a game is modified so that a particular player wins under any condition where the game would have been called a draw, then it is always determined.". There is nothing to say beyond that very concrete statement. I did edit the introduction this morning, but you might have missed it. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:23, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PNG to SVG

Hello!, i need your assistance for this fairy chess piece.

I need help to convert .png to .svg

The piece is called a "Centaur"

Royal Knight

Mann + Knight compound

Sunny3113 (talk) 14:27, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sunny3113, Unfortunately I don't have any software to make .svg images. You can try the link (below) which is a free graphics editor that you can use to make .svg images, or convert other images to .svg.
(http://pixlr.com/editor/)
I tried it once, but the result weren't perfect. You can "cut-out" white areas to make them transparent, but if it is not pure white the result is not good. I hope you can make it work.LithiumFlash (talk) 15:16, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ways to improve Infinite chess

Hi, I'm CaroleHenson. LithiumFlash, thanks for creating Infinite chess!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. It seems as if the article has some Original research - basically where the content seems to be written based upon the writer's knowledge or opinions vs. from secondary sources. Do you have sources for the uncited content?

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Nomination of Huygens (chess piece) for deletion

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Lowellian (reply) 16:13, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Lowellian. I'll leave some comments at the discussion page tomorrow. Thanks for the notice.—LithiumFlash (talk) 21:36, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, WP:Red link guideline: "In general, a red link should be allowed to remain in an article if it links to a term that could plausibly sustain an article, but for which there is no existing candidate article, or article section, under any name. Do not remove red links unless you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on the subject, or if the red link could be replaced with a link to an article section where the subject is covered as part of a broader topic." --IHTS (talk) 15:18, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank IHTS. There can also be too many red links sometimes (see Template:Cleanup red links) and it might be better to just get rid of them rather than adding a tag to the article. But I'll be careful about deleting red links. If I ever delete one, and you don't agree with it, just add it back. It's not too important to me. Thanks.—LithiumFlash (talk) 17:00, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Chess.com plastering

What you're doing has been extremely irritating. (Do you intend to keep it up? Chess.com is not a source of WP info for anything, except Chess.com itself, and also too if a noted expert provided some material there. You've been liberally adding Chess.com links to articles continually, please stop now.) --IHTS (talk) 00:22, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I take great exception to the edit summaries you used when you reverted two of my edits at Western Carolina University. You're certainly welcome to disagree with my edits and to revert them but your edit summaries says that I did not "justify" my edits when I left very explicit edit summaries doing just that. In any case, I look forward to you participating in the discussions in the article's Talk page. ElKevbo (talk) 04:06, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, and a good place to seek consensus.—LithiumFlash (talk) 06:10, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the catch!

Thanks for catching my edit that Deepmind found the Stockfish hashsize optimal; I believe I misread the ambiguous statement "Stockfish and Elmo played at their strongest skill level using 64 threads and a hash size of 1GB" in the preprint. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 23:42, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rolf H Nelson, no problem. I was wondering if some of the authors of AlphaZero were adding non-documented information to the article. I think it's a fairly good article now. I also just added AlphaZero to List of chess software.—LithiumFlash (talk) 22:49, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

January 2018

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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You're right at the limit of WP:3rr Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:41, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Galobtter Thank you. I agree and am using the Talk page to seek consensus. In general, editors should not make wholesale deletions of relevant and properly referenced material without consensus at the Talk page.—LithiumFlash (talk) 15:45, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]