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That seems right; so someone could add that to the article; with a scholarly, rather than polemic emphasis
That seems right; so someone could add that to the article; with a scholarly, rather than polemic emphasis


Other articles do emphasise, and critisise, countries that have such policies - see the archived discussions of the “white Australia” policy. However, I suppose we must not repeat such lapses here. [[Special:Contributions/66.201.51.220|66.201.51.220]] ([[User talk:66.201.51.220|talk]]) 17:52, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Other articles do emphasise, and critisise, countries that have such policies - see the archived discussions of the “white Australia” policy. However, I suppose we must not repeat such lapses here. [[Special:Contributions/66.201.51.220|66.201.51.220]] ([[User talk:66.201.51.220|talk]]) 17:52, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


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What happened it is now officially called Wakanda uhuru 2A02:C7D:565E:1300:6CA3:CCC2:213A:C571 (talk) 16:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2016

We want the percentage of African Americans in Liberia to show as we depict not in other category America Liberians are still apart of our ethnic group African American here's my situation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americo-Liberians

208.54.80.193 (talk) 06:48, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — Andy W. (talk) 05:00, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Liberia...only African republic to have...independence without gaining independence through revolt from any other nation

"Liberia is the only African republic to have self-proclaimed independence without gaining independence through revolt from any other nation, being Africa's first and oldest modern republic"

What about South Africa? SA did not gain independence through revolt. The Anglo-Boer War was an internal struggle between two groups of settlers but was not a revolt against a colonising nation. Maybe it would be better to say 'the only West or Central African republic to have gained independence...without...revolt form any other nation." ???

154.0.7.219 (talk) 08:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This assumes the Boers are not African. Arguable, but POV. 12.201.7.2 (talk) 18:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The lost decades

Apparently nothing of any importance happened in Liberia between the 1950s and 1980s.Nicmart (talk) 19:16, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Some Questions

Decent enough article so far, although there is some direct repetition of sentences - e.g. "until 1904, in a repetition of the United States' treatment of Native Americans". Moreover, I'm curious about the following answers. 1. This article says nothing about how the Americo-Liberians took possession of the land. Did they rob it or buy it or a mixture? How much land? What military force, if any, did they use in, I presume, the 1840s? Was there any resistance from the outset among the natives? If the US government did not recognise the country's independence until 1862, did it have any role in establishing it in 1847? 2. In the Ethnic Groups box, there is no mention of Americo-Liberians at all. Are they not considered a distinct ethnic group? If they are, what percentage are they? Dáibhí Ó Bruadair (talk) 12:24, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Most of what you are asking about is covered (to some degree) in History of Liberia. The Liberia and History of Liberia articles have come a long way from the early days, but Wikipedia articles are never finished, so see what you think needs to be changed or added to them. - Donald Albury 13:12, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Constitution

Supposedly, it denies white men the vote, or the right to own property. Worth a mention? 2600:1010:B06A:8FE8:C4C2:5DF1:BCBB:C5E6 (talk) 19:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you cite a reliable source? - Donald Albury 01:52, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strictly speaking, it denies brown, red, white and yellow men the right to own property or vote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.7.2 (talk) 05:46, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The original 1847 constitution says:


“Sec 12th. No person shall be entitled to hold real estate in this Republic, unless he be a citizen of the same. Nevertheless this article shall not be construed to apply to Colonization, Missionary, Educational, or other benevolent institutions, so long as the property or estate is applied to its legitimate purpose

Sec. 13th . The great object of forming these Colonies, being to provide a home for the dispersed and oppressed children of Africa , and to regenerate and enlighten this benighted continent, None but persons of color shall be admitted to citizenship in this Republic.”

I suppose only citizens can vote, but don’t know.

They have had only one new constitution since, in 1986. That one still has the color bar, only now it says “ Negroes”.

Article 27(b) of the Constitution retains the controversial nationality requirements of Article V, Section 13 of the 1847 Constitution, which limits citizenship to "persons who are Negroes or of Negro descent." That seemed to cover voting. As for property:

“Article 22 a) Every person shall have the right to own property alone as well as in association with others; provided that only Liberian citizens shall have the right to own real property within the Republic .”

And just to be sure:

“Article27 a) All persons who, on the coming into force of this Constitution were lawfully citizens of Liberia shall continue to be Liberian citizens.

b) In order to preserve, foster and maintain the positive Liberian culture, values and character, only persons who are Negroes or of Negro descent shall qualify by birth or by naturalization to be citizens of Liberia.

c) The Legislature shall, adhering to the above standard, prescribe such other qualification criteria for and the procedures by which naturalization may be obtained.”

This is all in Wikipedia’s own article on the Liberian Constitution. I think the color bar should be included in the article on Liberia.

Notice that only persons of one race are able to “maintain the positive Liberian culture, values and character“. This is officially declared to be based on race.

I wonder why there are not demos in the streets all over the world against this institutionalized race discrimination?

No, I guess I don’t. 12.201.7.2 (talk) 05:39, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Constitution is a primary source. You can certainly add to the article that the Constitution of Liberia restricts citizenship by race, and restricts the ownership of real property to citizens. Any discussion beyond those simple statements would require support from reliable, independent, secondary or tertiary sources. I will note that a number of countries today restrict citizenship to persons of a specified descent, or restrict ownership of real property to citizens, and/or to members of a specified ethnic group. Liberia is not all that unusual in having such restrictions on citizenship or property ownership, and I would argue that it would be pushing a point of view to place much emphasis on those facts. - Donald Albury 14:00, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That seems right; so someone could add that to the article; with a scholarly, rather than polemic emphasis

Other articles do emphasise, and critisise, countries that have such policies - see the archived discussions of the “white Australia” policy. However, I suppose we must not repeat such lapses here. 66.201.51.220 (talk) 17:52, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Supposedly, there was to be a great result of introducing the modern world into Africa by way of free, civilized blacks. The ACS lit. of the period is filled with this idea. Liberia seems to have just existed on the fringe, and not done much of anything. Are there any studies that can be cited as to why this fizzling out of high hopes? 12.201.7.2 (talk) 05:19, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with the literature that would cover this. I think that it was unreasonable from the start to expect a couple thousand freedmen, dumped on a (to them) foreign shore with little and soon-ending material support, to spread Christianity and Western values across a continent. - Donald Albury 14:20, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Era between 1910-1920

Hi all,

I noticed that in the History section there is a pretty significant gap in content in the decade between 1910 and 1920. I believe that a fair bit occurred during that time with regard to Liberia maintaining its independence during the Scramble for Africa and restructuring its debt to stay afloat. I feel that this is something worth adding. Danielnicastro (talk) 21:56, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Part of that period is covered in the article Liberia in World War I, but that article is quite short, and that still leaves 1910 to 1914. I see hints that Britain and France finally recognized Liberian sovereignty over interior areas around the turn of the century, and that Britain and France were concerned about German commercial interests in Liberia in the period leading up to WW II, but I am completely unfamiliar with sources for the history of that part of Africa. Sorry, I haven't been of much help. - Donald Albury 01:50, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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