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Reconsidering the Koffee with Karan episodes list

Hi,

I saw that you declined making this list its own article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_Koffee_with_Karan_episodes

As the newest season of the show is starting today, I was just wondering if you could please reconsider making it its own article, or at least, if we could just move it back into the main article instead of making it it's own? If bad references are the problem, then why not use this one - there is a catalog of all the episodes on here, the official website: https://www.hotstar.com/tv/koffee-with-karan/s-74

The only reason I would still ask to keep a list, even when we have that site, is that because on the website you have to navigate all of them manually, which is tedious- if it were on a list it would be much easier.

I don't know if you are from India or not, but this particular talk show is not like others in the west which are a dime a dozen. This is one that is well-established and most people recognize it above almost all other talk shows, and people will tune into it from the star power alone. So for that reason it would be nice if we had the natural listing for episodes because people like to keep track of it. There are particular moments from specific shows that people remember, i.e. pairings and quizzes, etc., so it's not just like a generic talk show where you don't even remember who came on last week. Please reconsider or let us know how we can go about it. Thanks. Rush922 (talk) 07:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Can you find other listings for the guest stars besides TVDB or TV.com? If the official website has a list you can cite that. Otherwise please cite the news articles that list the episode guest stars. It needs something to show that it is indeed more notable than the generic talk show in booking guests. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:46, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry it's been a while, but I was able to find some news articles that list the guest stars, at least for this particular season. I think this should show that it's more notable in booking guests, that most regular talk shows:

https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/television/koffee-with-karan-6-guest-list-alia-deepika-ranveer-akshay-5410562/

https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/koffee-with-karan-6-bhumi-pednekar-rajkummar-rao-join-guest-list-1937483

https://in.style.yahoo.com/kapoor-siblings-sonam-kapoor-rhea-083200994.html

Let me know if this is enough to allow the episode list to be its own article. Thanks.

(As an aside, I have seen other talk show article lists that do use TvDB as a source. For example, check out the episode listing page for the Ellen show (very popular in the US, if you know about it) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ellen_DeGeneres_Show_(season_1) )

Rush922 (talk) 01:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Funny Girls v. Draft:Funny Girls

I'm not sure what UK series you're referring to? I'm not seeing any.connection to the cross dressing show in the UK. That article looks to be sourced to IMDb. Seems we should get the article on the New Zealand television series up ASAP so readers can locate the right subject, a popular television series in its 3rd season that's even attracted the participation of the Prime Minister. Once it's up I'm sure it will be expanded and improved. Leaving things to languish in draft space doesn't help anyone. FloridaArmy (talk) 07:11, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

I've renamed it to Draft:Funny Girls (New Zealand TV series) but it needs to be beefed up a bit with more news sources and description. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 07:14, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

How does the sourcing compare to the Funny Girls entry? FloridaArmy (talk) 15:28, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Keep them coming. You can use New Zealand Listener for "Noted" and "The Listener" articles: [1] Also threenow profile [2] for external links unless you found another official website for the show. NZ Herald has a lot of articles like [3] [4] This article has some information on how the writers/producers construct the show: [5] Rose Matafeo awards [6] Funny Girls suffrage episode [7] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:38, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it definitely needs.to be expanded and disambiguated from the burlesque show venue. Cam you please move the entry to mainspace so people interested in the very notable subject can find it ans work on it? FloridaArmy (talk) 16:13, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Great American Doll Company

Hello. Please tell me what I need to add to get this article published. Can you do it for me?Uncoveringcelebrityhistory (talk) 08:13, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Uncoveringcelebrityhistory, you need to find sources that are independent of the subject to write about the company. The verbiage about Lot 18 needs to be removed as it is copy-pasted from another website. The extensive list of doll offerings should be removed WP:NOTCATALOG. Awards appear to be non-notable as well and sourced by the website. Can you find news articles that post the awards results and reference that instead of the corporate website? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:04, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

about my article

sir i have posted a article on new era school of sciences chhatri (H.P). Its a high school located in himachal pradesh distt. kangra (H.P) we have a website too thenewera.org. please accept my article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asheeshraina (talk • contribs) 18:37, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Asheeshraina You need to rewrite the article in your own words, and not copy the website's wording. You also need to find news articles that cover your school in detail as well as government websites that list your school. The article should mention it is a high school and what grades it covers. Also, link to Wikipedia articles to show where your school is. I'm assuming it's in India somewhere. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:56, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Koffee with Karan episode list revisited

Hi AngusWoof,

About a week ago you responded to my query above regarding making the Koffee with Karan episode list it's own article. You said that I would need more relevant sources than TvDB. A few days ago I responded and it looks like you were not notified or just didn't see it - I found a few news sources that might help make the case to let it be its own article. Since it was a bit long I'd rather not post all of it here, but instead I'll just post the link to the original query location above where I responded -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AngusWOOF#Reconsidering_the_Koffee_with_Karan_episodes_list

If you could answer either there or here I'd appreciate it. Hopefully those sources are good enough. Thanks.Rush922 (talk) 08:38, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Rush922 my concern still stands in that you don't have any reliable sources for the list of guest stars. You're citing TVDB and TV.com which are user-submitted/generated databases. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 09:37, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Actually in the response to the original query I added 3 news sources for your consideration:

https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/television/koffee-with-karan-6-guest-list-alia-deepika-ranveer-akshay-5410562/

https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/koffee-with-karan-6-bhumi-pednekar-rajkummar-rao-join-guest-list-1937483

https://in.style.yahoo.com/kapoor-siblings-sonam-kapoor-rhea-083200994.html

These are all related to this latest season; I've found it very difficult to find lists as such for previous seasons. And I actually did not cite TVDB or TV.com myself. If you're referring to the article itself, I didn't create it- someone else did- I'd just like to see it reinstated is all.

Although I must say, I have seen other talk show article lists that do use TvDB as a source. For example, check out the episode listing page for the Ellen show (very popular in the US, if you know about it) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ellen_DeGeneres_Show_(season_1) ). Not sure why that show is allowed to use TvDB, but this one is not?

Rush922 (talk) 09:52, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

That only helps with season 6. The other seasons are still referring to TV.com and TheTVDB, which is contributed by its users WP:USERG much like Wikipedia. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 09:55, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

True. I have since found one other link, which refers to season 5: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/koffee-with-karan-season-5/updates/51379318.cms. I've actually thought of something else (and I've edited the sources in the article itself to reflect this): I must say, why can I not simply use the season pages from the original web page (Hotstar), that stores all the episodes online to be watched at any time, as a source? It is a direct and reliable source: it IS the company that originally aired it, it literally has a collection of each season, and the original air date of each episode is listed right on the videos themselves. Please see this (season 5) as an example: https://www.hotstar.com/tv/koffee-with-karan/s-74/seasons/season-5/ss-4109. Notice how on the thumbnail for each video is the episode name and original air date clearly marked. I see no reason why I cannot use each of the Hotstar Season pages as a direct source.

If you are still arguing that it needs evidence of social relevance as per news articles, I have already given that proof in these few links, which I've added in the 'References' section of the article. It clearly shows that this talk show is being covered pretty heavily by even major Indian news outlets. If you need further proof that it has been relevantly covered since it's inception, I've found a few older archived articles: https://www.thestar.com.my/story/?file=/2006/1/2/tvnradio/12970463&sec=tvnradio, http://www.rediff.com/movies/2007/mar/22koffee.htm

But practically, it would be near impossible for me to find lists of each season from all the way back to 2004. That's why I am arguing that the combination of these news articles, plus the Hotstar direct links, should be good enough to infer reliability. I think this is a time where the technicalities of resourcing ought to be given a little leeway for common sense.

If for some reason you disagree, I would please ask to take the matter to either a third party or some higher delegation on Wikipedia if you could lead me to it, as I think I have a strong case. Thanks.

(PS, I think you may have missed a point I made in an earlier answer: I must say, I have seen other talk show article lists that do use TvDB as a source. For example, check out the episode listing page for the Ellen show (very popular in the US, if you know about it) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ellen_DeGeneres_Show_(season_1) ). Not sure why that show is allowed to use TvDB, but this one is not?

Rush922 (talk) 10:53, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Rush922 Hotstar would be okay. That seems to list episodes by season for On Demand kind of services so it is like Hulu. Thanks, that would be much better than TVDB. Please see the edit I did for season 1 on how to reference AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:49, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Great! Thank goodness it is acceptable. Alright, I have taken your example and referenced the other seasons in the same way, and now have resubmitted it. Any idea how long it usually takes to get approved? Thanks.Rush922 (talk) 05:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I pushed it through. It should be comparable to those podcast listings where they only list guests. Thanks for updating them. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:34, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Nice! And thank you as well for all the help. This has been for me a good exercise in both patience and understanding how the Wikipedia 'system' works :)Rush922 (talk) 23:42, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Rush922 You might want to check with the other editor who tagged it for unreliable sources on which one he or she disagrees with. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:25, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Right, I did just that a few minutes ago actually. I was confused since you had OK'd the Hotstar ones. But Rosguill had issue with a referenced Twitter post, so I replaced it with a news article saying basically the same thing. I wrote on his/her talk page and clarified it, and removed the tag so it should be good. Rosguill seems okay with it for now.Rush922 (talk) 00:57, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

On the article about Wang Yan

Hi AngusWoof, thank you very much for your guidance. I've added more references independent to the subject and also some more content. Here's the new article: Draft:Wang Yan (entrepreneur) . Please advise if there's any thing I can do better. Thanks. --Hongkongneteyes (talk) 10:04, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

I added some more feedback on the draft article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:45, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. More media coverage, articles and books added as independent sources; Content more neutral. Pls review it again. --Hongkongneteyes (talk) 02:48, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

More professional and social activities digged out from my research. Hope these additions make the article more balanced. --Hongkongneteyes (talk) 03:58, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi AngusWoof, some more minor changes have been done, links added. Your acceptance or further guidance will be highly appreciated, so that I can move on to the next article or dig deeper on this one. Many thanks. --Hongkongneteyes (talk) 00:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Hongkongneteyes can you add a comment in the header or talk page about which reference items would meet WP:GNG? That is, they are secondary sources independent of the subject that give significant detail. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:13, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: Following your comments, I reviewed the guidelines of WP:GNG and sorted out the reference items into 3 categories: 1/ those from secondary sources, independent of the subject giving significant details; 2/ those from secondary sources, independent of the subject giving brief details; 3/ those from primary sources that give verified details, but mainly based on biography or press releases related to the subject. I've replaced and eliminated all the tertiary sources from the references. Pls see the header of the article for details. Thanks.--Hongkongneteyes (talk) 09:51, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: Looking forward to your feedback on my answers to your comments of November 3rd, any further suggestions will be highly appreciated. Thanks. Hongkongneteyes (talk) 14:58, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: Thank you for having taken time to point out the places to fix, I will get them done. I have never thought a wiki article could be so hard to produce. Amazing, a bit like a class on scientific research: more you try to prove more you dig out new elements; more you impose strict criteria on sources more you uncover different aspects of the subject. Will get back to you. Thanks. Hongkongneteyes (talk) 02:17, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Well it's not hard, but a good quality article that isn't a copy-paste of someone's corporate profile requires effort. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: Thank you very much for your help to restructure the article and correct some of the verbiage. I've done other modifications following each of your comments. Please see the underlined italic notes after each modified point. Curiously, there's someone (Vrsanelamat) removed your previous comments in the header of the article while I was adding stuff into it, you may see in the "view history" page. Please let me know what you think about the modifications, I'll clean up the notes when you think they are OK. Thanks, Hongkongneteyes (talk) 08:35, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi @AngusWOOF: Please let me know whether you have other comments on this article and how would you like me to proceed. Thanks. Hongkongneteyes (talk) 14:14, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Hongkongneteyes, I added some more feedback. If you can help organize the Career section and his activities while CEO and after retiring. Also in the other ventures section, the organizations he joined or founded need dates. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:48, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi @AngusWOOF:, Done! Except 2 dates can't be found, all the others have been added with a handful of corrections. Please review. Thanks! Hongkongneteyes (talk) 14:56, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Hongkongneteyes can you find a reference for his exact birthday? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:33, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi @AngusWOOF:, first of all thank you for having approved the article. Though this was not the first article I created, I did learn quite a lot from this experience. Will try to find some reliable sources on the DOB. Please, when you get time, have a look on the other article I drafted Draft:Liu Guodao. Mnay thanks! Hongkongneteyes (talk) 06:31, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 14:20:30, 29 October 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by CarlySila

• CarlySila (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Southern Management Corporation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi AngusWOOF, thank you for taking the time to review my page! I tried structuring it based off of the other similar companies I found on Wikipedia, but I definitely understand needing more external resources. I am working on that now to help prove that this is a notable topic. Is there a recommended amount of external sources I should aim for? Could you provide more insight into what is too "peacock-y"? I tried writing just the facts, but I might be too close to my writing to see that I strayed. Your feedback can help me improve on this and future pages I work on. Thanks again, CarlySila (talk) 14:20, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

CarlySila, any verbiage where it looks like it is bragging about the company's success, or sounding like it comes from their corporate brochures, and accomplishments should be neutralized. You can see WP:PEACOCK and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. I wouldn't open with "largest" in the lead sentence. I would remove "the late" and "the passing" for David Hillman. WP:EUPHEMISM The stuff about being one of six or the only one isn't needed unless you're trying to explain finalists and winners. They can see that from the award itself. If you can find more news articles that discuss Southern Management, that would be helpful too. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:42, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, Thank you so much for your help! I've updated the article based on your feedback. Do you mind taking a look and seeing if it's ready to resubmit?

Just wanted to follow up on this. --CarlySila (talk) 15:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

CarlySila, can you note which references would meet WP:GNG on either the talk page or comments on the main page? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF I've added them to the talk page. If you have any feedback, please let me know! --CarlySila (talk) 22:30, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

CarlySila, it looks like it's been approved by another AFC reviewer. Congrats! AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Thank you so much for your help, I greatly appreciate it! -CarlySila (talk) 13:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Puminian Punthasee

Hi AngusWOOF,

I was assigned this professor as an assignment for my analytical chemistry lecture; my grade depends on this article getting published. What can I do to fix it, so that it is acceptable for publication? Also is there a way we could spin the article to make him notable for his teaching?

Thanks in Advance,

Allyson10500

Is he tenured? Then you can argue that he meets WP:NACADEMIC #5 "5. The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon)." But I'm not sure about that. Maybe you can see if he meets WP:GNG Here's an article you could use [8] but that needs at least two outside references like that. Lumberjack is a student paper for Humboldt State so it's still connected to the school. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:03, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I would also remove the student feedback scores and the exact names of classes he teaches. Those aren't really notable. But you need to find more sources that discuss him and his career if it stands a chance of being published. If you can choose another professor that meets #5 above that would be better. Good luck! AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:23, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Also you could try resubmitting and see if another editor might be more sympathetic to your case, after throwing in that columbia missourian article AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I would have your instructor read WP:INSTRUCTORS and be amenable to considering a draft or sandbox of the article even if it doesn't get published. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Allyson10500, I also suggest cropping a picture to have just him in it for the infobox. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:19, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

My rejected wikipedia page.

Dear AngusWOOF, I am concerned about your decision to take my Wikipedia draft down. All it said was that it was a channel and it wasn't really supporting it. Also, there is a coca cola page that says it is a soda and no one has taken that down. Lolz I'z Iz weird (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2018 (UTC)Lolz I'z Iz weird

Lolz I'z Iz weird, your user page says otherwise. "Lolz I'z Iz weird (Lol's-eyes-is-weird) is a creator and publisher on Wikipedia and part of the Youtube channel Yerkz Clan. He is a real person and definitely not a robot." (my emphasis) [9] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:48, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

fair enough

(talk page stalker) Lolz I'z Iz weird, please read Your first article ⋅ and Identifying reliable sources Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:04, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Notifications for CSD

Hi! I see that you are doing great work picking up copyvio in drafts – that's so important, thank you! I also noticed that you've sometimes nominated a draft for deletion but not notified the creator – a recent example being Draft:Strategy Execution and User:Strategyex. I don't know what method you're using to add the speedy tag (I use Twinkle), but it doesn't seem to be doing the notifications for you. This is just to ask you try to remember to do them manually if the software isn't doing them automatically. Thank you so much, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:37, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers I'm pondering if it's when I use AFCH and select copyvio CSD from there? I normally use Twinkle for straight up CSDs which should notify the user. Maybe I unchecked something? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:19, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Well, I was wondering if it was to do with the AFC script, certainly. I don't think I've ever selected to tg for deletion form within the script (rightly or wrongly, if it's an outright copyvio, I don't bother to decline it, but just tag with G12). This might be worth bringing up for discussion with other editors, I think. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:59, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Okay, will keep an eye out for when I try a CSD G12 from within AFCH and see what happens. I know it tags the article but not sure about notifying the author. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:02, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

{u|Justlettersandnumbers}} I just did a AFCH / CSD checkbox on Draft:DgFarm US and it didn't send the CSD notification, so I pasted in the subst:notify afterwards. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:53, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft page Bram van Sambeek

Hello AngusWOOF,

I am not sure how this works if you are the one that has to review the submission again. Anyway, in the previous dialogue, I explained what I had changed. Please let me know if it needs any more work.

Enjoy your day.

--Sobatipep (talk) 05:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Sobatipep, you can resubmit it and any of the AFC editors can review it if I don't get around to it. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you AngusWOOF, it has been resubmitted. --Sobatipep (talk) 12:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Chase Carter

I didn’t say appearing in SI was her notability, that’s just one work she has done. But if that’s the barometer, she has been on the cover of a notable magazine. She has several reliable sources that have written articles on her, not just mere mentions in them.Trillfendi (talk) 16:08, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Trillfendi, I do like the detailed coverage on some of those articles about the model; I'm just trying to see how the article can bring out the aspects that make her meet WP:NMODEL. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

DRAFT:Honest_Mum edits

Thank you for your great edits to DRAFT:Honest_Mum. I understand most of your edits and I learned a lot from them.

I think the mention of specific article titles was not cruft because the titles weren't meant to be notable in themselves, but rather to give the reader a more concrete idea more specifically of what the general statements about lifestyle, etc. really come down to. But I cut that section quite a bit anyway.

Thank you for helping me understand how things should be bolded, italicized, etc. The replacement of my section titles with more standard ones, in a more standard order, was a huge benefit.

I also think that there may be some gender bias creeping in when activities involving hundreds of thousands of WOMEN on a daily basis are considered not notable. Both Honest Mum and BritMum are big deals to a rather significant subculture in several countries, and the fact that a book published by a major publishing house has resulted from blog activities suggests that a feminine pursuit (blogging about female concerns) is surfacing in major media. I could list a bunch of page view statistics in the hundreds of thousands based on Google Analytics; does that indicate notability better than what is already there?

The most elusive element is NPOV. I thought I was there, but clearly not, so thank you again.

See if you can find more news sources that aren't coming directly from Honest Mum or Brit Mum. We're trying to get the article to stand on WP:GNG and WP:ORGCRIT They should give an objective description of the blog site, even some criticism, and aren't press releases connected to the site, and not be passing mentions. If Honest Mum extends beyond UK you can find some news sources from those countries as well. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

If there are some notable women's websites (ones with Wikipedia articles) that discuss Honest Mum, that would be helpful too. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:23, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lordmancer_2

Hey,

Sorry for bothering you, it is the first time when I'm trying to create a topic.

Yesterday I created a topic and sent it to a review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lordmancer_2

You rejected it, I fixed the issue and sent it once again. And now I don't understand what is happening now. I see that you have removed one of my references. But what is now? Have you rejected it once again or is it still under review?

Could you explain me? Thanks in advance.

Thanks, Anton — Preceding unsigned comment added by SittingOnTheSeat (talk • contribs) 12:44, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

SittingOnTheSeat, basically you can't cite other Wikipedia articles as a reference as that would be WP:CIRCULAR. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:41, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, you wrote " Comment: See if you can find more reviewers that are on WP:VG/RS Pocket Gamer is one of them but it appears to be a very brief article. Need some in-depth ones. " But I also used a reference to Kotaku.com. It is the whole article dedicated to Lordmancer 2. Do you think that two reliable sources are not enough?

Pocket Gamer doesn't go into depth on the game; it's only a passing mention. Kotaku is better. Can you find another one like Kotaku that is qualified under WP:VG/RS? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:52, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft: PEI-Genesis Submission on 11/1 by Snydej

Hi AngusWoof. I'm trying to clean up my submission that was rejected on 11/2 in terms of providing more reliable sources and by changing the tone of the article. I have changed a good bit and feel like it reads very similar to a company's page in the same industry called "Mouser Electronics" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouser_Electronics). They use a few citations from their website as well that was not rejected. Just looking for a little more guidance on if the tone of my article is better, and how many more sources deemed reliable it would take to be accepted. Thank you for your help. Snydej (talk) 14:53, 2 November 2018 (UTC) Snydej 11/2

Snydej Can you find sources that aren't press releases? It needs to meet WP:ORGCRIT with secondary sources independent of the subject. Getting press releases from Amphenol or PEI itself is still connected to the subject. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:37, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Creation on New Article Draft:Liu Guodao

Hi @AnguWoof:, could you please help me to review another article I created here: Draft:Liu Guodao? I tried to take all your previous comments in consideration. Your advice will be highly appreciated. Many thanks.--Hongkongneteyes (talk) 02:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I would apply the same advice as recommended on the Wang Yan article as a starter, and as long as it has plenty of WP:GNG sources, you can submit it. Doesn't have to wait for me to review. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:29, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@AnguWoof: Thanks. I think the sources are in compliance with WP:GNG, I've submitted it for quite a few days, could you please accept it? --Hongkongneteyes (talk) 15:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft for Sole DXB

I added the information you requested in a comment at the top of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trea4521 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Trea4521, it looks like the article has been approved. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:24, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Matthew S - I followed your directions

Hi AngusWOOF, thank you very much for your support! I followed your directions to create my article. Are they okay now? I hope so! If it's not ok... Can I ask you for help in creating my article? I'm writing an article about a famous Italian artist. Best, KIODOS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiodos (talk • contribs) 19:11, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

I have adjusted the whole structure of my article about Matthew S I hope now it's ok. Please let me know. This is my first article! I hope to make many others. Thank you so much for your work. Kiodos (talk)

I have adjusted the whole structure of my article about Matthew S. I hope now it's ok. Please let me know. This is my first article! I hope to make many others. Thank you so much for your work. Kiodos (talk)

Please indicate on the draft which articles enable it to meet WP:MUSICBIO requirements. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

As articles you say Reference link? I answered you directly in the draft. I have read the "Criteria for musicians and ensembles". From how I wrote in the article He respects all the points. Kiodos (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:29, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Kiodos Thanks for listing those articles; editors can now review those for MUSICBIO. I don't see where he meets #2 "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." or #3 "Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country." or #8 "Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.". So can you clarify what you mean by he meets all the points? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:42, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much for this clarification, then as I wrote in the article Matthew S was named "MTV best new generation", I added some reference links, and this summer was in the Top 10 MTV Dance Chart, with Many international artists like David Guetta, Tiesto, Bob Sinclair (also here I have inserted the reference link). He also participated with Benny Benassi and Robin Schulz at the MTV digital days(also here I have inserted the reference link). Can this be enough or do you need more information? I've been as complete as possible. Kiodos (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Kiodos, MTV isn't really the country's national music chart or a major national award, so maybe other articles per musicbio. I found one by Alto Vincentino Online that I just added to the lead paragraph, which could help with secondary sources. Can you rewrite the timeline section into prose? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:07, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your edit, What meaning in prose? sorry :-) Kiodos (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Kiodos convert the listings of what he has done into paragraphs. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Done, I corrected. Now it's ok? Thank you for all! Kiodos (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF what should I do now? Do I still have to make changes to the article? I have not received any news from you. You are very kind! Kiodos (talk)

AngusWOOF I have no more changes to make in this article. Do I have to wait for your confirmation of publication? What I have to do ? Thank you! Kiodos (talk)

You can resubmit it if you want and maybe another editor can take a look. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:44, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF I've seen many artists on wikipedia with articles written by local newspapers. I hope this goes well! You could not confirm my article now? How can I resubmit it ?? Kiodos (talk)

Kiodos, it appears to be resubmitted. I left a comment on the article for someone else to review the sources. To me, it's very borderline as most of them are still interviews or primary, and the ones that are not are passing mentions / insignificant coverage. But another reviewer may beg to differ. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF I wrote on kiwi IRC, they gave me support for the correction of the article. I have corrected some points. Now it's OK. Could you confirm the publication of my article? --Kiodos (talk) 17:54, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Hi, I have implemented the sources. Can you see if everything is ok? All the best, --Kiodos (talk) 17:33, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Kiodos, the only change since last time was that there was an additional article on Canadian Beats that has a passing mention of Matthew S's name on one of the remix tracks. Someone also tried to undo the commented out birthday, but did not provide a source. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:40, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF in this link there's his birthday, 4 Feb, 1989. Is is right? --Kiodos (talk) 17:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Kiodos, the Alto articles only mention 1989 not 4 Feb. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF ,Here you can find the birthday: https://www.rockit.it/MatthewS --Kiodos (talk) 18:12, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Super Snake HD

You recently rejected this page for not having the right resources. I agree with that, so I removed the random YouTubers, and tried to find reviews on Metacritic or GameRankings. However, the first has the game listed but no reviews are available, and the second doesn't have the game listed at all. Now you may ask, why want to include this game at all? Well, since this is the only game published by YoYo Games's original author Mark Overmars himself. The app's popularity has on its peak in 2013 been ~50.000 downloads as far as I'm able to track that, so I would like to include this page not based on it's popularity but rather on the fact Overmars created it. It has recently (after some discussion) been added to the List of GameMaker Studio games and I was wondering how and if it would be possible to create this Wikipedia page. Thanks for answering!HollandMill (talk) 10:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

HollandMill, if you have game reviews supported by reliable sites as listed by WP:VG/RS, then try to use those. Same with academic papers and news articles that might have discussed his work. If this is Overmars's only game, then why not create a section on the game in his article? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:18, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, several sites in the list mention the game or have a page about it, but most of them contain zero reviews, e.g. Metacritic: https://www.metacritic.com/game/ios/super-snake-hd The only one I found to show a review is Pocket Gamer: https://www.pocketgamer.com/articles/046847/free-apps-of-the-day-x-runner-super-snake-hd/ As far as I can find, it is his only game, but it was made together with Jochem Schut (designer). Therefore I didn't want to just make a small mention of the game on Overmars's page. I don't have too much experience on Wikipedia, so I wish to ask: what do you think? What would be the best to do? HollandMill (talk) 14:58, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

nl:Mark Overmars has a brief paragraph about the game and collaboration with Schut. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Thanks, I'll incorporate it in Overmars's page instead. The Draft page on Super Snake HD can therefore be removed.

Submission rejected

Dear AngusWOOF, you declined my article submission, however I disagree with your assessment. You indicate that my sources are not reliable, however BoardGameGeek is the most famous blog about board games and an authority in the field and it is listed as source of all board games and board game designers article on WikiPedia (it is in some cases the only source provided for this class of articles); AIAA is a peer-reviewed scientific journal and KU Leuven is a top European University. If you have any suggestion for me, I would really appreciate it in order to improve my article before re-submission. Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstroEmy (talk • contribs) 11:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

AstroEmy, Board Game Geek is user-generated WP:USERG and KU is connected to his work as a primary source. Please find secondary sources indepenent of the subject that will meet WP:GNG and WP:NACADEMIC AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:14, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand why admins always decline my article. AngusWOOF reviewed my article and said that it is a single line. Explain me why there are tons of articles that have a single line but are accepted? For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_Hourtin-Ducasse

Regards, Vardges — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aredit85 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Aredit85 Please read WP:OSE and WP:WITHIN AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Article on Flying Theaters

Many thanks for your comments, Woof. For reference I copy it here: Comment: This reads more like a brochure. Need more formalized section headers. Need to connect descriptions to references. there are whole paragraphs that are unreferenced. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:23, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I understand that I was too enthusiastic when I said that something is "a perfect fit for museums". I also understand that I need to connect descriptions to references more thoroughly. But what do you mean by "more formalized section headers"? Thanks for your help. Cheers, Andreas Entertainmentpro (talk) 10:02, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Entertainmentpro The header "One goal - different concepts" is more like a brochure header for advertising rather than something for an encyclopedia article. Maybe you can look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Standards for structure recommendations and Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Featured Content for examples of some of the top articles? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:41, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject Amusement Parks/Standards is very helpful - thx! Entertainmentpro (talk) 08:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC) I also looked at the sources on the Wikipedia article on "Soarin'" and saw that there are also no articles or publications on the original ride in Anaheim (there seems to be nothing on the internet). One question: can an article in the Washington Post from November 2017, which is now behind a paywall be used as a reference? Entertainmentpro (talk) 08:15, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Paywall sources are okay to include (WP:PAYWALL). If it's an agency-based (e.g. Associated Press, Reuters) article, then other papers might have available for free. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

stub tags

Please take care not to add {{stub}} to an article which already has a specific stub tag, as you did here.

And why do you think it needs more or better references? The two provided look reliable and seem to support the entire text of this stub.PamD 19:05, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

PamD, I was stubbing it from the Page Curation / New Pages Feed. Should it just be checkmarked as good then? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:51, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

PamD, if that's all that can be found about the subject, should it be marked as a WP:PERMASTUB then? It's a really flimsy dictionary definition of a notable person. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:00, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

It's a stub, but was already tagged as {{UK-artist-stub}}, so there's no point in adding {{stub}} which does nothing except to bring it to the attention of stub-sorters, whose time you will be wasting. She's notable, she has material in national collections. A stub needs expansion, by definition. Just accept this harmless article and move on to those which are damaging the encyclopedia. PamD 20:20, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 01:08:45, 11 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by RealityTVfanatic

• RealityTVfanatic (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Joan Kelley Walker (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

hi, I need help with getting the proper non biased sources for this article so it can get approved. I used some sources from the production of her show, namely corus entertainment that produces real housewives of Toronto and also a convention bio, which I guess isn't a proper source. Can someone help me fix up the citation sources of this page. WE can delete the quote. that's fine. Please help.

RealityTVfanatic (talk) 01:08, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

RealityTVfanatic The only one that's kind of a decent source is the King Weekly Sentinel article. Everything else is just passing mentions or primary sources / press releases. Hello! Magazine is mostly interview so that's primary. Can you find more like the King Weekly, where the writer has done research on her career? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:53, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 04:20:09, 11 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Vrsanelamat

• Vrsanelamat (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Sadia Khan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Baru

Vrsanelamat (talk) 04:20, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Vrsanelamat, please see my comments at the draft. You need to connect the references you found to the article, also indicate which references will enable him to meet WP:GNG AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:17, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

I need help with Joan Kelley Walker

Hi, I need a editors hand to clean up this article for re submission, can you please help. Or tell me how I can engage volunteers to help with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joan_Kelley_Walker

RealityTVfanatic (talk) 11:04, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

New article declined

I saw you rejected the new article about "Kate Manne" on the ground not sourced and not notable. I disagree. I properly sourced both her book and her assistant professorship. The Book has hundreds of reviews so definitely notable.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickensparta (talk • contribs) 19:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

You should cite the reviews from the major critics then to show she meets WP:NACADEMIC or WP:NAUTHOR. Like I said before if she is only an "assistant professor" she won't be able to meet WP:NACADEMIC #5: "The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon)." AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Zig programming language article

I added a `Design` section to the article, in hopes that it would make it seem like less of a manual page.

The examples aren't meant to mirror manual pages, but instead give a brief view into how common tasks are written in the language. I did this in lieu of finding other programming languages that do the same (e.g. Nim programming language, Haskell programming language). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benji is me (talk • contribs) 20:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Benji is me, can you find some news articles that discuss the language? That would give it more notability than shared repository sites like Github. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:23, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

The only articles I could find were the ones from "Infoworld.com," "Sdtimes.com," and "Jaxenter.com". The language is somewhat new, but has gained a lot of attention recently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benji is me (talk • contribs) 20:27, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay, keep those new ones coming then. The more mainstream (has wikipedia article), or is a reputable computer programming magazine/journal, the better. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:30, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 07:38:13, 13 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by 105.231.171.252

• 105.231.171.252 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Victor Mochere (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I need help on getting the article creation, as per your guidelines.

105.231.171.252 (talk) 07:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

105.231.171.252, please see my comments on that draft. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Please change my drafts name [ Joon gotra ] to Joon (Indian Surname)

Translafive (talk) 19:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

A beer for you!

thanks Translafive (talk) 19:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Jaime Mendez draft page

AngusWOOF, thank you for input on my page. I have several questions, things I don't understand, and I'd like to understand for the purposes of not only this page I'm working on but also any Wiki work I do in the future. Regarding this specific Mendez page, I definitely want to proceed with the page because this person IS a real, notable public figure worthy of mention in Wikipedia...so I want to make whatever changes are needed to get the page published.

1) So you're saying NOT to use Wiki articles as references? I have seen other pages that do this...I figured if Wiki articles are thoroughly checked over for accuracy, they should be good reference sources. But you're saying NOT to use them? You also said to take out the LinkedIn reference...I know of a published page that has ONLY 2 LinkedIn references...how was her page Ok'd/published? I'm just confused about the process. But anyway, I can change the Wiki and LinkedIn refs.

2) I thought if I used a variety of reference sources, that would look better overall than using fewer references which are all the same type of reference...but it sounds like you'd rather potentially have fewer references if it means every reference will be of higher quality/verifiability?

3) You suggested redoing the lead paragraph to say that Mendez is a news anchor and reporter. But the lead paragraph already states that, so I'm not understanding why you suggested to include that. Did you mean something else?

4) There's mention that a major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with the subject and a neutral point of view is needed. What is this referring to? The KUNS TV reference, because that is his employer? If so, why wouldn't this be considered reliable? To me, his employer, who has done checks on him as to his background and experience, is in essence a source of confirmation of his status, background, and experience...right? It's not exactly a neutral point of view, but it's not a questionable, controversial source/point of view either. Please just further explain this comment as it pertains specifically to this article, not just in general.

Thanks AngusWOOF, I look forward to your further clarification. JaiMen95 (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2018 (UTC)Lydia

Okay I will try to answer these questions:

• 1) Regarding wikipedia articles as references, do not use as that is circular. Read WP:CIR. Instead, use the references on those Wikipedia articles that refer to the subject. Linkedin should be sparingly used WP:SELFPUB, like if there are no other sources to verify that he was employed with a certain company.

• 2) I'd prefer higher quality sources that detail the subject and not just mention his name in passing. See WP:GNG and WP:V

• 3) The lead sentence should say what he is, not that he was born in (place). Being born in that place doesn't make him notable. Saying he is a (nationality) news anchor for (channel) will be clearer. See MOS:LEADSENTENCE and MOS:OPENPARABIO

• 4) If you're his employer you probably have a conflict of interest (WP:COI) in writing up the biography for the person. It might be better to just write up his bio in your website, and then cite the website, making sure to reword it so it is not a copy-paste of the writeup there. This would still be considered a primary source or even a press release, so it would be better to find secondary sources (news websites that aren't connected to the subject) that cover his career and life.

Hope that helps explain things. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:59, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

FURTHER RESPONSE: Thank you, yes that does clarify. Especially on #3...you meant to suggest that I change the lead SENTENCE in the lead paragraph...this makes sense.

I don't know if I can just add response to you like this or if this is not the correct way to go about it ( I assume I don't create a new topic)...hoping you can help with this additional topic: HOW do I access the draft page easily now so that I can continue editing the page? Meaning how do I get back to it? And if I get signed out or something, how do I retrieve it? Because the username is in red and I just get messages that my page doesn't exist...but it does cuz we've come this far, it does exist...what does it mean that it doesn't exist? In the userpage tab there is a sandbox heading area and beneath there is now a red link redirecting me to Draft: Jaime Mendez, but when I click on it, I don't know what to do next, and then when I try to navigate it asks if I want to leave the page cuz I might lose work I've done. I've never quite understood this whole process of creation, and in the past I seemed to have lost previous work and had to start over again...can you explain HOW it all works and how I navigate easily and properly from here? I'm really afraid of somehow losing all of the work I've done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaiMen95 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

JaiMen95, You can access it at Draft:Jaime Méndez; it's still there. The thing about the page not existing is your user page. The sandbox is still there. I changed it so that if you go there it will have a message saying to click over to Draft:Jaime Méndez. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:18, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, I've been working on the page per your suggestions and clarifications, thank you! Oh I'm not his employer. I've added high quality sources that detail the subject and his career/life, changed some content/wording including the lead paragraph. I'm going to continue working on it and will hopefully resubmit it soon. Thank you for the guidance! JaiMen95 (talk) 16:56, 15 November 2018 (UTC)Lydia

A kitten for you!

): so I cant create my first wikipedia page

Translafive (talk) 03:41, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Salina Vortex Corp

AngusWOOF,

Thank you for your help with edits to Salina Vortex Corp. Please note that although I have been reading through all of the Wikipedia materials as thoroughly as possible, I am still new to the uploading process. In the past, I have focused more on the editorial, instead of the creation process. I believe I have taken necessary steps to gather quality sources, but if any are beyond the scope of Wikipedia, please let me know which specific sources those are, so that I can make the necessary revisions. I am currently in discussions with the company, Salina Vortex Corporation, to see if I can obtain image licensing to supplement the wiki page.

Thanks again for your mentorship as I learn the Wiki upload process and I hope you have a nice day.

Ltc1993 (talk) 21:44, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

The main part of sources is that they meet WP:GNG, which means no primaries (website material, press releases, connected trade magazine articles), or passing mentions. Picture licensing is a different beast, if they can submit some freely licensed pictures via OTRS/email to get them approved by commons, that would be good. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:41, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, for the additional information, AngusWOOF. After reviewing your description and the Wikipedia guidelines, I am still a bit fuzzy on sourcing for the topic I'm discussing. As I understand it, you are saying community news sources (such as CNN) are credible sources, but industry-related sources (such as a trade magazine) are not acceptable because the written content was likely submitted by the company itself? Thank you for the additional description. Sorry I am having trouble getting my head around the sourcing complexities. Ltc1993 (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Ltc1993, you can check out WP:RS on what's considered a good reliable source. Trade magazines are okay if they aren't written by the company or interview heavily with the company. In other words, if the journalist did the research on the company and summarized that, then it's okay, but if the journalist rehashed what the company told the person then not so much. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:34, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

{u| Ltc1993}}, please also note that if you are associated with the company or were paid by the company to create the page, you need to disclose that on the talk page of the draft as it would be a conflict of interest. Read WP:COI. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Anina Pinter

Thanks for taking a look at my submitted page. I had gone through guidance for resubmission with User talk:K.e.coffman and was hoping that the main reference being in Hungarian language didn't get it rejected again. This draft wiki article has a link to a 15-page article in the Hungarian national magazine Szemle, here is the link: https://issuu.com/mzsk.hu/docs/szemle15_2_netre/75 It is a print magazine that has reproductions available online. The article focusses solely on the subject of Anina Pinter. Yes its in Hungarian :) But it can be translated looking through Google Translate video etc if it is not apparent that the article is about Pinter. These are the different issues online, I think its a quarterly magazine. http://www.mzsk.hu/szemle/ 67.201.9.50 (talk) 03:25, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

If it's google translatable then we can check if it has significant coverage on Pinter. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry that’s what I meant by Google Translate video. You would have to hold an iPhone up to a computer screen with the Google Translate app running, translating thru camera vision. Because the magazine is a printed one, the link I provided doesn’t give selectable text. It is searchable text so you can see how many times the name Pinter comes up through the article, if doing the translate app approach isn’t your thing! Thanks for taking a look and I could always find a way to share screen grabs witb translated text if needed?67.201.9.50 (talk) 07:04, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 17 October 2018 for assistance on AfC submission revived

Hey Angus,

We couldn't finish talking about my last request, so I'm reviving it in this new discussion. I'm copying below an excerpt of our last back and forth to give you some context.

"I've corrected the buzzwords and other edits you made. My only question is: We don't have any articles or links about the inauguration of our LATAM offices. Do we have to provide a citation for this? The only sites we can provide as "proof" are the job searches we carry out on each country where we have an office. Can that count as a citation? Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdaLovelaceDev (talk • contribs) 18:06, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Do you have any news articles written about the company? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)"

To answer your last question: we don't actually have news articles about the inauguration of our LATAM offices. The only sources we have are job searches on each country that we are based in. Does that count as citation? Thanks Angus. AdaLovelaceDev (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

The question is more whether you have any citations that will meet WP:GNG / WP:ORGCRIT standards. It's okay for some of the citations on the article to come from primary (company website), but there needs to be significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that are independent of the subject in order for it to be Wikipedia notable. Can you identify any of those citations? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:07, 16 November 2018 (UTC)