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Not cited sentence

The sentence, "The often unpleasant feeling of hunger originates from the hypothalamus releasing hormones that target receptors in the liver," is not cited. For good reason: there is no evidence to support the statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.14.211.190 (talk) 03:02, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a study that is often cited in support of the claim you are referencing. ^[1] However, more recent research, has shown that the conclusions drawn from the study are not valid. ^[2] Craigjclemson (talk) 13:19, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

^ Teitelbaum, P., & Epstein, A. N. (1962). The lateral hypothalamic syndrome; Recovery of feeding and drinking after lateral hypothalamic lesions. Psychological Review, 69, 74-90.
^ Powley, T. L., Opsahl, C.A., Cox, J.E., & Weingarten, H.P. (1980) The role of the hypothalamus in energy homeostasis. In P. J. Morgane & J. Panksepp (Eds.), Handbook of the hypothalamus, 3A: Behavioral studies of the hypothalamus (pp. 211-298). New York: Marcel Dekker.

How interesting! However, your source can hardly be called recent research. Do you have access to yet more recent sources about where the feeling of hunger originates from? Lova Falk talk 14:36, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have now removed this sentence because it is not an accurate summary of the article. Lova Falk talk 18:11, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Munchies

"Munchies" redirects here, but there is nothing in the article explaining why drinking beer makes you hungry when you aren't, nor does it seem to link to anything explaining the topic. 86.131.98.38 (talk) 22:02, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hunger is an..... emotion?

In the first sentence of the article, it says hunger is a feeling, and the word feeling is linked to the article "emotion". Is hunger considered an emotion? I've never heard it considered as one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Kytan Apprentice (talk • contribs) 20:32, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So I fixed it! Now hunger is just a feeling; although the link is now less chocolaty. Vadmium (talk) 15:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Organism

I question the use of the word organism on this page in junction with adipocytes and other characteristics of animals. It is doubtful that plants and fungi feel hunger in the generally accepted use of the word. Questionable as well for bacteria, archea and protists, yet these are all organisms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.243.175.19 (talk) 08:39, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

APS Editing

I am an undergraduate psychology student at Clemson University and will be working with my instructor Dr. June Pilcher and the APS Wikipedia Initiative to improve this article over the next couple of weeks. Any suggestions or input along the way would be greatly appreciated. Craigjclemson (talk) 14:54, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll keep an eye on it. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 17:20, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome! Please remember that Wikipedia is not an academic paper or essay! Wikipedia articles should not be based on WP:primary sources, but on reliable, published secondary sources (for instance, journal reviews and professional or advanced academic textbooks) and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources (such as undergraduate textbooks). WP:MEDRS describes how to identify reliable sources for medical information, which is a good guideline for many psychology articles as well. With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 18:08, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone is interested in my proposed contributions to this article, I have them here in my sandbox, shown in red text. Craigjclemson (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:13, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well-written and interesting to read! Lova Falk talk 20:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictory?

In the lead section the article states that "The sensation of hunger typically manifests after only a few hours without eating" yet in the hunger pangs section the article says "Hunger pangs usually do not begin until 12 to 24 hours after the last ingestion of food." A few hours would typically be considered to be around 2-4 hours not the 12-24 hours later mentioned in the article. Can someone clarify this? Neither of the two statements are sourced. 131.251.252.33 (talk) 00:23, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Full vs satisfied

Can we change "full" to "satisfied?" "Full" implies the opposite of hunger is fullness, rather than being satisfied, and it contributes to the false idea that you're supposed to feel full rather than satisfied (aka "sated," as in "satiety") after you eat, which contributes to the obesity problem in Western (particularly English-speaking) countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.101.45 (talk) 17:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Hunger (primordial feeling)

Hunger is both a sensation and a motivation. In hunger, we feel not only the motivation, the urge to eat, but we also feel that sensation unique to hunger that distinguishes it from, say, nausea, itch or unirary urgency. The present disambiguator (motivational state) excludes the sensation. The term "feeling" can include both sensation and motivation. Antonio Damasio uses "primordial feeling." Derek Denton uses "primordial emotion." "Emotion," too, can mean both sensation and motivation but readers are used to referring to hunger, nausea, etc. as feelings, not emotions, so I think "primordial feeling" is more reader-friendly than "primordial emotion" and just as accurate. Bud Craig uses "homeostatic emotion", which tells the reader something about the function of the feeling, but I still prefer the reader-friendliness of "primordial feeling." For sources please see Homeostatic emotion. May I make the move? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 13:55, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking Hunger (physiology); that misses the psychological component so is not great, but is better than this or "primordial feeling".... What would be best in my view would be to merge the contents of Hunger >> Malnutrition and move or merge this to Hunger. Complicated. Jytdog (talk) 16:13, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support titling our coverage of the motivation/sensation Hunger. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 17:49, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This page should be moved to "Hunger" and the existing article at Hunger should be "Hunger (politics)". But similar to @Jytdog:'s suggestion, which I would support, especially the second part. Bod (talk) 20:01, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The original proposal to move the article on the motivational state to Hunger (primordial feeling) makes sense and I support it. I'm taken a back though that you guys have moved and then merged the original Hunger article down to a redirect. To be fair, there is some logic to what you've done; dictionaries for example tend to give the motivational state as there no 1 definition under 'Hunger'. But if we google Hunger, there is over half a billion hits, and sources treating Hunger as a sociological problem out number those treating it as a motivational condition by about 99:1. Hunger as a sociological problem is something that causes suffering to about a billion people, with tens of millions working for its alleviation in the hunger relief field. Whereas I think you’d find that only a few hundred scientists currently work on hunger as a motivational condition, and those are mainly focussed on the dieting aspect, which the article doesn’t even mention. Hundreds of hours had gone into researching and editing the original article on the vital topic of hunger as a sociological problem. Before moving the original topic, it would have been better to start a discussion on the talk page of the original hunger article, which compared to this page, had over 100x the page views and many times the watchers. As you did not do this, I'm going to request this move is reversed as insufficiently discussed. Then I can undo Jtydogs harmful merge into Malnutrition. FeydHuxtable (talk) 22:17, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What does this article need?

My initial thoughts are these: I'd like to see a good description of hunger's functional neuroanatomy, from the chemo- and baroreceptors through to the frontal lobes. Hunger's role in homeostasis should be made clear, as should its impact on mood and the higher cognitive functions like attention and memory. We should describe the physiological effects of food deprivation that trigger the hunger receptors but should probably leave the health and social impacts of food deprivation to Starvation and Malnutrition. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 13:28, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I take it you mean Growth hormone secretagogue receptor and if so yes; also Ghrelin and it should describe the mechanisms by which hunger is terminated; in other words satiety, and discuss Leptin.

I just found Appetite which has a lot of overlapping content to what we are discussing here.

Other articles that should be meta-edited along with this one are Energy homeostasis, as well as Orexigenic (which has its own navbar at Template:Appetite_stimulants) and Anorectic (which has its own navbar at Template:Antiobesity preparations)... Jytdog (talk) 14:04, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. I think there's a baroreceptor in the GI somewhere that plays a role in supressing hunger and I thought there was more than one hunger-evoking chemoreceptor type that responds to changes in cerebrospinal fluid. It's been a decade since I looked at hunger, and then I was focussed on the psychology. So, I could be very wrong. For now, I'm just looking for a broad brush outline of what the scope of this article is. I agree satiation is an important part of the picture. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 14:42, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What should we do with Appetite? Jytdog (talk) 15:18, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a fascinating topic. Thank you for raising it. I have a lot more reading to do before I can contribute much more to this thread. I just wanted to begin the conversation and point out some inclusions and exclusions that make sense to me. I really appreciate you mapping out Wikipedia's coverage of this and related topics. I'm now going to exolore appetite. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 09:20, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I requested, and it is now done, to have the old "hunger" page moved to Hunger (malnutrition) over a redirect, and to have the old "Hunger (motivational state)" page moved here, over the redirect that was left behind. Over the next week or so I will merge "Hunger (malnutrition)" into Malnutriion and will start integrating the content about physiological hunger as discussed above. Lots of work to get done on this important topic. Jytdog (talk) 12:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Teitelbaum, P., & Epstein, A. N. (1962). The lateral hypothalamic syndrome; Recovery of feeding and drinking after lateral hypothalamic lesions. Psychological Review, 69, 74-90.

[2] Powley, T. L., Opsahl, C.A., Cox, J.E., & Weingarten, H.P. (1980) The role of the hypothalamus in energy homeostasis. In P. J. Morgane & J. Panksepp (Eds.), Handbook of the hypothalamus, 3A: Behavioral studies of the hypothalamus (pp. 211-298). New York: Marcel Dekker.

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 ::I'd support titling our coverage of the motivation/sensation [[Hunger]]. --[[User:Anthonyhcole|Anthonyhcole]] ([[User talk:Anthonyhcole|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Anthonyhcole|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Anthonyhcole|email]])  17:49, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 :This page should be moved to "Hunger" and the existing article at Hunger should be "Hunger (politics)". But similar to {{ping|Jytdog}}'s suggestion, which I would support, especially the second part. [[User:Bodhi Peace|Bod]] ([[User talk:Bodhi Peace|talk]]) 20:01, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
+The original proposal to move the article on the motivational state to [[Hunger (primordial feeling)]] makes sense and I support it. I'm taken a back though that you guys have moved and then merged the original Hunger article down to a redirect.  To be fair, there is some logic to what you've done; dictionaries for example tend to give the motivational state as there no 1 definition under 'Hunger'.  But if we google  Hunger,  there is over half a billion hits, and sources treating Hunger as a sociological problem out number those treating it as a motivational condition by about 99:1.  Hunger as a sociological problem is something that causes suffering to about a billion people, with tens of millions working for its alleviation in the hunger relief field. Whereas I think you’d find that only a few hundred scientists currently work on hunger as a motivational condition, and those are mainly focussed on the dieting aspect, which the article doesn’t even mention.  Hundreds of hours had gone into researching and editing the original article on the vital topic of hunger as a sociological problem.  Before moving the original topic, it would have been better to start a discussion on the talk page of the original hunger article, which compared to this page, had over 100x the page views and many times the watchers.  As you did not do this,  I'm going to request this move is reversed as insufficiently discussed. Then I can undo Jtydogs harmful merge into Malnutrition. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 22:17, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 ==What does this article need?==
 My initial thoughts are these: I'd like to see a good description of hunger's functional neuroanatomy, from the chemo- and baroreceptors through to the frontal lobes. Hunger's role in homeostasis should be made clear, as should its impact on mood and the higher cognitive functions like attention and memory. We should describe the physiological effects of food deprivation that trigger the hunger receptors but should probably leave the health and social impacts of food deprivation to [[Starvation]] and [[Malnutrition]]. --[[User:Anthonyhcole|Anthonyhcole]] ([[User talk:Anthonyhcole|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Anthonyhcole|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Anthonyhcole|email]])  13:28, 22 August 2018 (UTC)