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"Edits to Wikipedia pages on Bell, Garner, Diallo traced to 1 Police Plaza". Capital New York. 13 March 2015. Retrieved 13 March 2015.
"Edits of Wikipedia Pages for Eric Garner, Stop-and-Frisk Were Made From NYPD Headquarters". Slate. 13 March 2015. Retrieved 13 March 2015.
"NYPD Caught Editing Eric Garner Wikipedia Pages, Along With Other Police Brutality Victims (IMAGES)". Addicting Info. 13 March 2015. Retrieved 13 March 2015.
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Federal judge recommends Pantaleo be fired

Per the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49200240--2600:6C51:447F:D8D9:58CC:C983:EAB3:71FF (talk) 04:22, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Already done: "Two months later, it was reported that the administrative judge presiding over the disciplinary hearing recommended to New York Police Department Commissioner James O’Neill that Pantaleo should be fired." General Ization ^Talk 04:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, the administrative judge here is not a federal judge. Dyrnych (talk) 04:56, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. "US judge" in the BBC report referred only to a judge in the US, not a judge presiding at a US (federal) court. The judge in question was NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Trials Rosemarie Maldonado. General Ization ^Talk 14:37, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of death

There is a disagreement about the cause of Mr. Garner's death. I believe that the cause of death should be quoted from the autopsy (via the NYT) as follows: "Compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police".^[1] Mindbuilder believes the article should use the medical examiner's 2019 testimony as follows: "The medical examiner indicated that Garner's death resulted from an asthma attack caused by an officer's chokehold".^[2] Right now, the article says slightly things in different places, which makes it confusing. SunCrow (talk) 01:18, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be happy to make the different parts exactly the same if you prefer. The original autopsy cause of death was highly questionable by itself due to the shortness of the chokehold and him still being conscious afterwards, whereas the ME's current theory clarifying the asthma factor, especially after Garner's daughter's asthma death, makes perfect sense. It's very important that we make the asthma factor clear. Do you have some reason you don't want to mention Garner's asthma as the cause of death as currently stated by the medical examiner? Mindbuilder (talk) 01:31, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mindbuilder, I want the article to be accurate and consistent. There is no other agenda. Why do you describe the original autopsy cause of death as "highly questionable?" Is there a source for that, or is it your opinion? SunCrow (talk) 02:10, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mindbuilder, this comment sounds like original research. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely OR. "Highly questionable" is not something a Wikipedia editor decides. Dyrnych (talk) 07:34, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hearing no further discussion, I have restored the cause of death set forth in the autopsy to the lede. The article is now clear and consistent on this point. The medical examiner's 2019 testimony regarding asthma is still included in the section on the Pantaleo administrative proceeding. SunCrow (talk) 16:09, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Goldstein, Joseph; Santora, Marc (August 1, 2014). "Staten Island Man Dies From Chokehold During Arrest, Autopsy Finds". The New York Times. Retrieved June 27, 2015.
^ Winston, Ali (15 May 2019). "Medical Examiner Testifies Eric Garner Died of Asthma Caused by Officer's Chokehold". The New York Times. Retrieved 16 June 2019.

Maintaining chokehold on the ground. Cause of firing by Police Commissioner James O'Neill

This is currently not in the article. 19 Aug 2019: Eric Garner: NY officer in 'I can't breathe' death fired. BBC News. From the article (emphasis added):

In explaining his decision, Mr O'Neill said mobile phone video of Garner's death clearly shows the officer used a chokehold, which is banned by the New York Police Department (NYPD). ... Mr O'Neill said Mr Pantaleo's decision to maintain the chokehold on the ground is what led to his firing. ... A city medical examiner ruled the chokehold contributed to Garner's death. ... The firing comes as California enacts one of the strictest laws limiting police force in the US.

-- Timeshifter (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Non-free photos of Eric Garner are not banned by Wikipedia guidelines

This box at the top of the talk page is inaccurate.

In fact, it is flat out ridiculous to say that a "biographical image of Garner" can not be used in this article. Whether free or non-free.

We had this discussion before, and it was settled in another article: Emmett Till.

There are 2 non-free images of Emmett Till (while alive and deceased) in that article:

See the talk archives of that article for more info. -- Timeshifter (talk) 22:52, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Repeated source

Sources 23 and 27 (both from The New York Times by Goodman) are the same, they were repeated. Could anyone fix this please? Thanks in advance. 177.225.172.224 (talk) 00:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[NYTimesChokehold-1] Goldstein, Joseph; Santora, Marc (August 1, 2014). "Staten Island Man Dies From Chokehold During Arrest, Autopsy Finds". The New York Times. Retrieved June 27, 2015.

[NYTAsthmaChoke-2] Winston, Ali (15 May 2019). "Medical Examiner Testifies Eric Garner Died of Asthma Caused by Officer's Chokehold". The New York Times. Retrieved 16 June 2019.

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 See the talk archives of that article for more info. -- [[User:Timeshifter|'''Timeshifter''']] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 22:52, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
+== Repeated source ==
+Sources 23 and 27 (both from The New York Times by Goodman) are the same, they were repeated. Could anyone fix this please? Thanks in advance.
+[[Special:Contributions/177.225.172.224|177.225.172.224]] ([[User talk:177.225.172.224|talk]]) 00:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)