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This entire article reads like an advertisement.

"His book, which has helped many of the nation's most successful entrepreneurs reach and exceed their goals..."

The article seems rather adulatory of this individual. HedgeFundBob (talk) 18:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously this article was written by this guy, who is using it to promote his business. Someone should take it down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.0.89 (talk) 19:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The writing in this article strikes me as very self-serving. It is written much like a huckster's advertisement and it seems to clearly violate the living person biography criteria. It is actually remarkable that it hasn't been removed. Much of the references seem to be circular in nature and there seems to be very little independent validation.Wraythe (talk) 18:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article was recently revised and sigificantly trimmed, and doesn't appear problematic anymore. Mannpark (talk) 04:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mannpark, I am not sure what your relationship to the subject is but I am sorry, I don't see that it was "revised and sigificantly trimmed." I still respectfully think that the article is just an advertisement and not a valuable biography and it should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wraythe (talk • contribs) 18:29, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm referring to all of the changes that were made on June 8th.Mannpark (talk) 19:51, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I think the article could use a rewrite for tone. Deletion is probably not appropriate. Once someone's work becomes a subject for The Wall Street Journal, he is probably pretty well discussed in the literature although not necessarily in a format that describes his complete biography.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:20, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. in addition to being mentioned in the WSJ, note that the Chicago Tribune mentions him often (google search for "Marc Lane site:Chicagotribune.com").--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:25, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that deletion is not appropriate -- removed the proposed deletion tag. Mannpark (talk) 01:57, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I saw that you reverted this page to a previous version, and I was recently notified that I was in violation of Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest. However, I have updated my user page with the Paid-contribution disclosure to comply with the requirements. Please undo the revert or let me know if I missed any further requirements. Mannpark (talk) 17:03, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Collaborative Edit

Hello all. I am affiliated with the Law Offices of Marc J. Lane. I recently attempted to restore a substantial amount of text that had been deleted by editors who believed it to be too self-promotional. The text had been previously deleted on the grounds that it was written by someone who inadvertently failed to disclose their affiliation with the Law Offices. So in restoring the text, I disclosed my affiliation. That apparently made no difference to the editors. I respectfully disagree with their assessment as to the self-promotional nature of the article, but as there is no higher power to appeal to, it seems the article will need to be rewritten.

I am willing to do that, but I don't have the time to do a complete rewrite only to have the article chopped down again. So I'm proposing to whomever might edit my work that we collaborate in advance of a re-write to identify what's acceptable and in line with Wikipedia's editorial standards, which I fully support. I just don't want to waste my time.

Can anyone who would be monitoring and/or editing my work please respond to discuss my proposed collaboration?

All the best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plutarchos21 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested Edit

Hello. I am affiliated with the subject of this Wikipedia article and am being paid for this work. I would like to begin a discussion here about 1) restoring text to the article that has been deleted or, in the alternative, 2) restoring at least the content of the text but writing the text anew, if that is more agreeable to those who edit this page.

To begin with, I'll be referencing the 20:56, 20 August 2019‎ version of the article. That version contains a section with the heading "Social enterprise" that has been deleted in its entirety. I disagree with the deletion, especially of the first sentence, which simply conveys information that is factual, important, and supported by two articles published by third parties (i.e. not anyone in the employ of the subject of this article).

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"By appointment of Governor Pat Quinn, Lane served as Chairman of the State of Illinois' Task Force on Social Innovation, Entrepreneurship, and Enterprise,[41] an initiative that seeks actionable recommendations on how to further social enterprise in the state and advises the General Assembly, the Governor, and agency heads on how to strengthen the capacity of Illinois to work cooperatively to create, scale, and sustain innovative social programs; build the capacity of nonprofit organizations and government to pursue entrepreneurial ventures; and attract funding to Illinois to support these ventures.[42][43]"

Citation 43 does have Marc J Lane as an author, but it will be easy enough to find an alternative source. Can someone identify the specific objections they have to this sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.251.109.1 (talk) 17:02, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

" Can someone identify the specific objections they have to this sentence? " The WP:BURDEN lies with the editor who adds or restores the material, not those who omit it. It is up to the adding editor to demonstrate that the item is verifiable via reliable, independent sources. Furthermore, the omitted information appears to describe the initiative's goals and ideals, which is not the purpose of the article. Regards, Spintendo 17:43, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Some proposed changes

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I am an employee of the subject of this article. Therefore, I am proposing on the talk page that the following changes be made to the article:

°Information to be deleted and added: Under the "Biography" section, delete "By the year 2002, Marc J. Lane Wealth Group included The Law Offices of Marc J. Lane, an investment advisory, a broker-dealer and a merchant banking affiliate." Replace with "By the year 2002, Marc J. Lane Wealth Group included The Law Offices of Marc J. Lane, P.C.; Marc J. Lane Investment Management, Inc., an Illinois-registered investment advisory firm; Marc J. Lane & Company, a FINRA-registered, full-service general securities firm; and Marc J. Lane Risk Management, Inc., an insurance agency."

°Explanation of issue: The issue with the text as it stands is that insofar as it omits the names of each business, and instead chooses to refer to the businesses categorically, it lacks specificity.

°References supporting change: https://northwesternbusinessreview.org/summer-spotlight-marc-j-lane-wealth-management-5d5fd8b0bff1

https://www.marcjlane.com/index.php?src=news&submenu=media&srctype=detail&category=In%20the%20News&refno=92 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plutarchos21 (talk • contribs) 23:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As the subject of the article is Marc J. Lane and not the Marc J. Lane Wealth Group, a lack of specificity in this regard is acceptable. Regards, Spintendo 08:18, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Beyond the issue of specificity, there is the issue of accuracy. As presently formulated, the sentence at issue mentions only the law firm, an investment advisory, a broker-dealer, and a merchant banking affiliate. It leaves out the insurance agency. Would you be amenable to this: Under the "Biography" section, amend the sentence at issue to: "By the year 2002, Marc J. Lane Wealth Group included The Law Offices of Marc J. Lane, an investment advisory, a broker-dealer, a merchant banking affiliate, and an insurance agency." That formulation finds textual support in the citations listed above. Plutarchos21 (talk) 16:08, 15 January 2020 (UTC)Plutarchos21[reply]

Reply 15-JAN-2020

Edit request declined

As the insurance agency is an entity created by the subject, an argument for its individuality and thus its reason for inclusion as a unique, separate affiliate of the Wealth Group — where that separateness requires specification in order to represent accuracy — is not substantiated.

Regards, Spintendo 21:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Could you rephrase? I'm not sure what you mean by "separateness requires specification in order to represent accuracy" and "reason for inclusion as a unique, separate affiliate ... is not substantiated." Because certainly you'll agree that someone who is not an employee of the firm and in a Northwestern University blog post verified the existence of four separate business entities constituting the Wealth Group: https://northwesternbusinessreview.org/summer-spotlight-marc-j-lane-wealth-management-5d5fd8b0bff1 68.251.109.1 (talk) 20:53, 17 January 2020 (UTC)Plutarchos21[reply]

Suggested Change II

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—Information to be added or removed:

Under the "Entrepreneurship" section:

Lane is the author of Advising Entrepreneurs: Dynamic Strategies for Financial Growth, John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 2001, along with a number of other titles published in the past 30 years.[9] The book promotes prudent risk taking and provides an approach to starting a business, locating sources of financing, lowering taxes, shielding assets, compensating the entrepreneur and employees, preparing for an IPO, and building wealth. Thomas Morsch, Director of the Small Business Opportunity Center at the Northwestern University School of Law commented that "Marc J. Lane has done a wonderful job of addressing all of these in one very readable and sensible book;" while Harvard Business School Working Knowledge remarked that "the book maintains a useful middle ground between the superficial and the highly technical."[10]

—Explanation of issue: If the book is to be mentioned in this section, along with its critical reception, it would be incomplete to not also summarize what's in the book.

—References supporting change: https://www.powells.com/book/-9780471389477