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WP:ICON

I completely understand that Wikipedia does not promote inserting icons in Infobox, but these icons make the task informative and easier to understand. I have seen your recent edits on article "Roy Bucher" and you removed the ribbon icons of the awards in the Infobox. They are just to bring uniformity to all the appointees of Chief of the Army Staff (India). All the other to hold COAS post have icons next to there awards. I hope you will understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UlaBrita 838 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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Hi - Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 18:41, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Atholl Highlanders

Hello Dormskirk, I am the archivist at Blair Castle and represent the Atholl Highlanders. Thank you for editing our page but I am having some difficulty with text you have deleted. The text has been provided by the Atholl Higlanders themselves and they have asked me to it add to the page. Please can you add the edited information back to the page. If you would like to contact me directly my email is archive@blair-castle.co.uk.

Hi - If you represent the Atholl Highlanders or Blair Castle you have a conflict of interest (see WP:COI) and should not edit the article. Any text needs to be properly cited using independent published sources in accordance with WP:V, WP:CITE and WP:RS. If you can provide such sources then please propose the additional material and related citations at Talk:Atholl Highlanders. Thank you. Dormskirk (talk) 10:06, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

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Commander UK Strike Force removal of text

Did you check the reference when you removed the detailed list of ships etc regarding the 'Green Eagle' deployment? The list is *fully* cited, though I admit I clearly did not cite the second paragraph which I'll have to re-source before I readd. Please check references more carefully in future.

With the thousands of litres of metaphorical printers' ink which WP editors have spilled over the Royal Navy since the Armada, anything about 'very dated' in regard to anything since 1700 or so sounds a bit hypocritical as well. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 14:44, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

If you and maybe others believe that the COMUKMARFOR history from 2001-2010 ish is dubious with the Strike Force article, I will split UKMARFOR to reduce the chances that somebody thinks it's dated enough to just remove. Buckshot06 (talk) 14:50, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Apologies if I removed something I should not have. My intention was really just to clean up the article following the change of name. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 15:34, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

13th Signal History

Can you help work on the history of 13 Signal Regiment (United Kingdom), clean it up further and when was it disbanded exactly?

Thanks

BlueD954 (talk) 05:17, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

I have cleaned it up a bit. It appears to have been disbanded sometime in 1995. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 08:39, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

NHS trust / board navboxes

Hi,

I noticed that you have been editing some navbox templates that I have created for NHS trusts and boards (e.g. Template:Aneurin Bevan University Health Board) by adding the word "hospitals" to the titles, and moving some others from "Template:XXX" to "Template:Hospitals in XXX".

Personally, I do not agree with this. For example, I have added these navboxes to the articles for the trusts/boards, and not just the hospitals, so it is better if the title is just the name of the trust/board as this means it can be used for both trust articles and hospital articles.

Furthermore, some of your moves do not make sense to me from a grammatical point of view. For example, you moved a template I created from Template:NHS Highland to Template:Hospitals in NHS Highland. I don't think this is correct as "NHS Highland" is not a geographical area, but rather an organisation, so the hospitals are not "in" the organisation but rather run by them. Template:NHS Highland hospitals would make more sense, but as I said, since I want to use these templates on the trust articles as well it would be better if they were at Template:NHS Highland.

Please let me know what you think of this.

Best wishes Elshad (talk) 18:18, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi - I actually don't have strong views on this. I am trying to achieve consistency. If you look at "Category:Hospital templates" you will see that the Scottish ones are now all "Hospitals in NHS ...". I don't think it matters as long as we have consistency. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 18:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I see what you mean by the original NHS Scotland templates, some of which date back to 2007, and were created by an editor who is no longer active. Since you don't have a strong opinion on this, would you mind if I moved them all to my preferred name, so long as it is consistent? Elshad (talk) 18:29, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I am referring to the earlier templates. I am fine for you to change them all to your preferred name. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 18:44, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Create article on ACNS People Transformation

This person is going to be important for Royal Navy reform. Ought to place him in the Organisation section. What do you think?

See https://issuu.com/navynews/docs/nn_issuu_march_2020 page 21 Rear Admiral Philip Hally.

BlueD954 (talk) 11:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree that he is going to be important for naval reform. However he does not hold any of the key posts listed in the Organisation section so my current view is that it would not be appropriate to include him there at this time. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 12:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Aw.BlueD954 (talk) 14:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Check my latest edits both officers holding the post of Navy Secretary and Flag Officer Seat Training have recently retired - links added to their pages/profile. Quite sure based on the Navy News article, RADM Philip Hally has assumed their responsibilities. Create article? BlueD954 (talk) 02:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I will create one. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 07:30, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

See Philip Hally. I now agree with you that as Assistant Chief of the Naval Staff (People Transformation) he should appear in the Organisation section. Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 08:29, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Good one but I don't agree with Colin Mackie that Hally's title is Navy Secretary. He is just ACNS People Transformation but takes upon the responsibilities of FOST and NS.BlueD954 (talk) 13:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I see from Hally's linked in page, he is claiming to be Naval Secretary. See Linked-in. Unfortunately we cannot use that as a source. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 16:30, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

You are correct. BlueD954 (talk) 03:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thank you for your hard work on the Chatham Dockyard article, I greatly appreciate you taking the time to re-source the whole article so thank you for doing that, Take care, Thanks, Regards, –Davey2010Talk 17:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Very many thanks for that! Dormskirk (talk) 17:49, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

You're very welcome, It's the least I could do :), Take care, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 17:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

New Commander Joint Helicopter Command

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Helicopter_Command#Senior_Commanders

5TH JULY 2019 Air Commodore N J Colman OBE to be promoted Air Vice-Marshal and to be Commander Joint Helicopter Command in March 2020 in succession to Rear Admiral J P Pentreath CB OBE. https://www.raf.mod.uk/our-organisation/senior-appointments/

FYI

BlueD954 (talk) 02:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Now done. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 09:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

To remove?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistant_Chief_of_the_Naval_Staff#Director_Naval_Support_(DNS)

Matthew S Harrison is not a Royal Navy Officer but a civil servant working in Navy Command see, https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/872218/Navy_Mar_19_senior_data.csv/preview. Remove?

BlueD954 (talk) 11:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. There are plenty of other civil servants we could include here but it would be inappropriate to include them. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

List of Hospitals

Hi, Yeah I would like to help and expand, I am guessing it is more a list of current hospitals rather than ones that have closed, as I did remove the 2 Bristol ones that are now closed, Bristol General and Frenchay. I have found a good source for bed numbers is CQC reports, which tend to list bed numbers by trusts and hospitals, so could add them as references. Mark999 (talk) 20:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi - Thanks for that. I confirm that this list is a list of current hospitals. I have been removing defunct ones as I go through the list. I have now removed the London tables in the list as I am convinced the bed numbers there were unreliable. Some Trusts do publish their total bed numbers but do not publish a breakdown and I find that the information in the CQC reports is inconsistent (sometimes they give bed numbers and sometimes they don't). I don't think this list is the right place to insert the bed numbers. It is probably best to focus on inserting reliably sourced bed numbers in the infoboxes of the articles on individual hospitals. Otherwise we are going to have a lot of gaps in the list. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 21:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough, I am going to try something in my sandbox with South West hospitals and see what you think. Mark999 (talk) 17:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I think we need to do it for England as a whole and, ideally, for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as well. The key is obtaining properly sourced bed numbers by hospital and so far I have been unable to find them for the country as a whole. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 17:24, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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Southampton Civic Centre

Good work. Cassianto^Talk 08:25, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for that. Dormskirk (talk) 10:46, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Dene Barton Community Hospital

Just in case you care, I have proposed Dene Barton Community Hospital for deletion. As the only one of 12 community hospitals in Somerset to have its own article I don't see what is so special about this one. Either we have none, or we look to create the others. Thoughts? --2A00:23C6:FA04:0:14CA:6231:B479:FD4E (talk) 10:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Normally, I would say that if the hospital has any real history to it then it should be retained. But this one was only established in 2002 and we do not even have a picture of it. So I agree with you. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 10:54, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

A goat for you!

Hey, I am trying to figure out how I can make changes my company page. because there are some updates but it is not showing in the Wikipedia Page

BlackcodeX (talk) 05:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi - If you work for the company you have a conflict of interest so you should not be making changes yourself per WP:COI. Instead you should be proposing any essential changes on the talk page of that article. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 08:02, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	for your improvement of the lead at Deloitte. Doug Weller talk 11:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Great. Many thanks - much appreciated. Dormskirk (talk) 11:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

James Gordon

Hi Dormskirk. Please see here: [1] Anne (talk) 00:36, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dormskirk. I am trying to deal with revisions for the James Gordon page. I have prepared a new paragraph for Military Service and it is in my Sandbox ready to go. As always I have at least two references incorrectly formatted. Would you be kind enough to correct any mistakes I have made and then copy and paste it into the JG page, in place of the paragraph already there? Much appreciated if you would. There's much more to come, but the edit pages do terrify me, so I will have to prepare the next bit in the sandbox too. The link here [2] sates that the 80th Regiment arrived in America in August 1779, so is there any way of including the ‘August’ in the prepared paragraph too, because the newspaper only states 1779? Thank you. Anne (talk) 00:50, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi - Done. I think. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 09:28, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much Dormskirk. Much appreciated. Could you just change the Huntley Express references to read "James Gordon" rather than "Andrew Gordon"?! Otherwise I am pleased to have more detail in there for JG. There is more to follow in Early Life, but I have to find the courage to attempt it. I will put it in my sandbox when ready.Anne (talk) 09:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Done. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 09:44, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

As always I appreciate everything you do to help me. Thank you. Reference 21, (to the Mayo book), has a much better source here: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015009310916&view=1up&seq=24 All the references to "Mayo", "Samuel Graham" and "Vanderpoel" have far far better sources on the Hathitrust links, which are all listed on Cinderella157's sandbox5, under Source Material. It would be a big job to improve all three reference sources on both the James Gordon and Charles Asgill pages, but if done, then direct links to the passages in question would be immediately visible. Do you feel up to it? It sounds daunting to me, but perhaps not to you? Anne (talk) 10:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I think I have changed all the citations now for those three books although it take a bit of time! Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 10:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I am sure anyone looking at the page will appreciate going direct to a full printed version so easily. Anne (talk) 11:02, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, but reference [1] doesn't link to page 105! Would be grateful if you could please change.Anne (talk) 11:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorted. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 11:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I've done the easy bit, JG's mother. I'd be grateful if you could delete the 'mother' entry completely and replace with what is in my Sandbox please. First, though, there are a couple of other minor amendments listed. What comes later, for the 'father' entry, will not make sense unless those amendments are made. There are too many James Gordons - our one was the Third Laird of Ellon - and final Laird, Anne (talk) 13:27, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I think I have sorted it. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 13:52, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, thank you! Just a query on this: We know from The New York Gazette and Weekly Mercury, Monday 20 October 1783 that James Gordon died on 17 October 1783 - two places at top of page need adjusting to include this information don't they? And does JG being the third Laird need this reference? [Huntly Express 7 Dec 1906 https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0002658/19061207/135/0007#] Anne (talk) 14:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Done. Best wishes, Dormskirk (talk) 14:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Don't you think someone will remove the d.o.d. without the reference I gave? Seems a shame to run that risk to me!Anne (talk) 14:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

It was referenced in the main text so it probably would have been OK but I have referenced it anyway. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 15:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Dormskirk, the section on 'Gordon's father' is now ready in my sandbox. It needs to be inserted as the first item on "Early Life". I have temporarily removed everything that was there on the father, to avoid confusion with what comes next. I have prepared it as best I can but know you will titivate where needed. Please note the bit about his father's date of death too. There is more to come, but I can only cope with all this in small bites. The next bit is the final bit. Anne (talk) 16:00, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I have added it. I hope that's OK. Best wishes, Dormskirk (talk) 16:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

My nightmare day is over Dormskirk! The final section is waiting for upload to the main page! Today's edits have been rather "Outlander" haven't they?! My very sincere thanks for all your superb help today. Thank you so much. Anne (talk) 16:47, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

All done, I think. And many thanks for your kind comments. Dormskirk (talk) 17:02, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

50,000 Destubbing Challenge Focus of the Week

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FOST appointment will cease to exist

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/657879/response/1564086/attach/2/2020%2004357%20Davis%20Response.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

WEF 1 May 2020. FYI

BlueD954 (talk) 04:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Interesting. Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 08:30, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Me and my "citing"!

Hello! I see you've had to tidy up after me again. Sorry about that. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong when I'm citing sources - it seems to work OK sometimes and then it doesn't, but I'm doing exactly the same thing. What am I getting wrong? Please advise. --DSQ (talk) 22:40, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi - No problem. Just take a look at WP:CITE and it shows you how to fill out the citation template. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 22:46, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank-you for your work

Dear Contributor,

Firstly Thank you for updating our Wikipedia and keeping us stimulated on every single account. I am an employe in Rentokil initial's and as terms & condition says I can't update our Wikipedia. So I am here to give you some information about our company so that you can add some articles in our Wikipedia and make it up to date.

Rentokil Initial is a Company working in more than 183 countries. And this company also having subsidiaries one of them is INITIAL HYGIENE which is not mentioned on Wikipedia page.

Can you please create a section on our company Wikipedia page with little information on "Initial Hygiene Global" & "Initial Hygiene India"?

Please let me know if you have any questions, and below I am adding all references and official links where you can gather information and update accordingly.

I am grateful for your support and contribution.

Thanks & Regards, Shalini Suman

<ref> http://www.initial.com/ http://www.initial.com/in https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prospect-of-a-cleaner-future-lifts-rentokil-initial-jffcmcg8d https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rentokil-plans-to-clean-up-after-lockdown-6dm3pzdsj — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shalinisuman29 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi - The article should be about the group rather than the subsidiaries. Are there any notable issues or controversies at group level which are not already picked up? Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 15:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

HMS Audacious

Hi can you add HMS Audacious (S122) to the [[3]] table; I'm not sure how to and I don't want to spoil the table. The source is https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Lords/2020-04-29/HL3735/ though it sounds strange.

Thanks

BlueD954 (talk) 13:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Done. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 14:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks !BlueD954 (talk) 15:18, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

help with table

Hi again.

Can you help me remove Audacious from the table here; I keep messing it up. [4] Thanks.

BlueD954 (talk) 16:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Done, I think...it is quite tricky! Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 16:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. BlueD954 (talk) 02:35, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Richard Costain for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Richard Costain is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Costain until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. JTZegers (talk) 19:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I have made my comments on the relevant page and on your talk page. Dormskirk (talk) 21:56, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For showing the quality of an AfD nomination JTZegers (talk) 22:01, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for that. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 22:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

RAF 1 Group history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._1_Group_RAF#Battle_of_Normandy

Ever heard of "No.11 Base", "No. 12 Base" etc? Also are the references here appropriate?

Thanks

BlueD954 (talk) 10:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

My understanding is that these were bases which were created on an ad hoc basis and then just allocated a number. e.g. No. 1 Base at Shaiba in Iraq in 1942 and No. 1 Base at Feltwell in Norfolk after the war. I believe that Niehorster is a good source; raf.web is also pretty good and is extensively used but in this case the link does not lead to a working web page. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 10:31, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks, thought it sounded weird. BlueD954 (talk) 11:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

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Lower Case vs Proper Nouns.

Hi Dom, you should use lower case for improper nouns such as a commanding officer in general. In this case, it is the job title of that specific role, I.e. he was the Commanding Officer of RNAS Yeovilton not a commanding officer in general. These rules need to be applied in context. Cosywafu (talk) 13:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi - WP:JOBTITLES states that job titles are capitalized only in the following cases: (i) When followed by a person's name to form a title..., (ii) when a title is used to refer to a specific person as a substitute for their name during their time in office..., (iii) when a formal title for a specific entity (or conventional translation thereof) is addressed as a title or position in and of itself, is not plural, is not preceded by a modifier. I don't believe any of these three apply here. Dormskirk (talk) 13:27, 16 May 2020 (UTC)