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According to declassified CIA records, page 13, <ref>https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85T00875R001100030003-0.pdf</ref> It states that "Pakistan's military capabilities remained largely in tact after the conflict." This is a much more reliable and authoritative source then a random Russian blog. Also, I could not find any other authoritative source for PAF "hiding" in Iran. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/133.175.178.17|133.175.178.17]] ([[User talk:133.175.178.17#top|talk]]) 12:13, 25 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
According to declassified CIA records, page 13, <ref>https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85T00875R001100030003-0.pdf</ref> It states that "Pakistan's military capabilities remained largely in tact after the conflict." This is a much more reliable and authoritative source then a random Russian blog. Also, I could not find any other authoritative source for PAF "hiding" in Iran. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/133.175.178.17|133.175.178.17]] ([[User talk:133.175.178.17#top|talk]]) 12:13, 25 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::{{tq|Although Pakistan's military capabilities remained largely intact following the conflict, the countries leaders recognize that their armed forces are no match for India's}}, only this full sentence has a logical meaning. Also this sentence isn't portraying the immediate situation after the war. {{tq|With nearly one-third of its army in captivity, clearly established India's military and political dominance of the subcontinent}},<ref name="time27Dec1971">{{cite magazine |title=India: Easy Victory, Uneasy Peace |url=http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,905593,00.html |url-access=subscription |magazine=[[Time (magazine)|Time]] |date=27 December 1971}}</ref> this was the condition immediate after the war. The declassified documents of CIA is not declassified in true sense, {{tq|All PIA aircraft are out of service and parked in Tehran or Jidda.}}<ref>{{cite web |title=CIA|url=https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85T00875R001100100149-1.pdf#page=3}}</ref> the upper sentence of this is still classified, may be to shelter PAF's shelter in Iran, many sentence of related Pakstan's situation during war were still classified in CIA's report.'''<i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><font color="#AC9F06">❯❯❯</font>[[User:Pravega|<font color="#F93B12">Pra</font><font color="#098922">veg</font>]]<sup>&nbsp;[[User talk:Pravega|A=9.8]]</sup></i>''' 17:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
::{{tq|Although Pakistan's military capabilities remained largely intact following the conflict, the countries leaders recognize that their armed forces are no match for India's}}, only this full sentence has a logical meaning. Also this sentence isn't portraying the immediate situation after the war. {{tq|With nearly one-third of its army in captivity, clearly established India's military and political dominance of the subcontinent}},<ref name="time27Dec1971">{{cite magazine |title=India: Easy Victory, Uneasy Peace |url=http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,905593,00.html |url-access=subscription |magazine=[[Time (magazine)|Time]] |date=27 December 1971}}</ref> this was the condition immediate after the war. The declassified documents of CIA is not declassified in true sense, {{tq|All PIA aircraft are out of service and parked in Tehran or Jidda.}}<ref>{{cite web |title=CIA|url=https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85T00875R001100100149-1.pdf#page=3}}</ref> the upper sentence of this is still classified, may be to shelter PAF's shelter in Iran, many sentence of related Pakstan's situation during war were still classified in CIA's report.'''<i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><font color="#AC9F06">❯❯❯</font>[[User:Pravega|<font color="#F93B12">Pra</font><font color="#098922">veg</font>]]<sup>&nbsp;[[User talk:Pravega|A=9.8]]</sup></i>''' 17:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

No one is denying that the air force in East Pakistan surrendered, but the quote from the Russian blog saying that entire air force, especially in west Pakistan, surrendered. This is not true and unless we have different meaning for "largely intact following the conflict" this clearly shows that PAF was not "blown out of the sky and hiding in Iran"
India never established air superiority in West Pakistan.

Revision as of 16:03, 26 July 2020

Please edit the casualties correctly

It says that Pakistani Army suffered only 2,200+ deaths which is wrong as it's what they suffered in the eastern front. Indian casualties on eastern front were just over 1,200 deaths. Actually, Pakistani army suffered 8,000 military deaths and 12,000 wounded and 90,000+ captured on eastern and western fronts combined. Please re-edit the casualties on the main summary. Hard654 (talk) 07:49, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Libaration War of Bangladesh 1971

In 1971 which war was held in subcontinent that not Indo-Pakistani War at all. It was the glorious libaration war of Bangladeshi Freedom-Fighter against Pakistani invading forces. Indian force join with Bangladeshi Freedom Fighter at end of the war. So it is a completely false and distorted history that the war of 9 was between Pakistan and India. Learn the right truth and go with the truth. Md. Mahabubur Rahman Razib (talk) 14:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2020

I want to edit a date. Sardaraliabbas572 (talk) 09:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Kautilya3 (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable and inauthentic sources

"The IAF was able to conduct a wide range of missions – troop support; air combat; deep penetration strikes; para-dropping behind enemy lines; feints to draw enemy fighters away from the actual target; bombing and reconnaissance.[120]:107 The PAF, which was solely focused on air combat, was blown out of the subcontinent's skies within the first week of the war.[120]:107 Those PAF aircraft that survived took refuge at Iranian air bases or in concrete bunkers, refusing to offer a fight.[123]"

This quote was copy pasted from a Russian blog with dubious authenticity. This needs to be changed to a proper citation or deleted. It is well established that Indian Air force did not have air superiority in West Pakistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 133.175.178.17 (talk) 16:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It would be worth seeing what is said about the PAF and air operations in:
  • Cohen, Stephen P. (1998) [First published 1984]. The Pakistan Army (2nd ed.). Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-577948-6.
  • Praval, K. C. (1987). Indian Army After Independence. Lancer. ISBN 9788170620143.
  • Krishna, Ashok (1998). India's Armed Forces: Fifty Years of War and Peace. Lancer. ISBN 978-1-897829-47-9.
  • Cloughley, Brian (2006) [First published 2000]. A History of the Pakistan Army: Wars and Insurrections. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-547334-6.
  • Cheema, Pervaiz Iqbal (2002). The Armed Forces of Pakistan. New York University Press. ISBN 978-0-8147-1633-5.
  • Nawaz, Shuja (2008). Crossed Swords: Pakistan, its Army, and the Wars Within. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-547660-6.
What other suggestions of WP:HISTRS sources are there for the section? --Worldbruce (talk) 18:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]


According to declassified CIA records, page 13, [1] It states that "Pakistan's military capabilities remained largely in tact after the conflict." This is a much more reliable and authoritative source then a random Russian blog. Also, I could not find any other authoritative source for PAF "hiding" in Iran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 133.175.178.17 (talk) 12:13, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Although Pakistan's military capabilities remained largely intact following the conflict, the countries leaders recognize that their armed forces are no match for India's, only this full sentence has a logical meaning. Also this sentence isn't portraying the immediate situation after the war. With nearly one-third of its army in captivity, clearly established India's military and political dominance of the subcontinent,[2] this was the condition immediate after the war. The declassified documents of CIA is not declassified in true sense, All PIA aircraft are out of service and parked in Tehran or Jidda.[3] the upper sentence of this is still classified, may be to shelter PAF's shelter in Iran, many sentence of related Pakstan's situation during war were still classified in CIA's report.❯❯❯Praveg A=9.8 17:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No one is denying that the air force in East Pakistan surrendered, but the quote from the Russian blog saying that entire air force, especially in west Pakistan, surrendered. This is not true and unless we have different meaning for "largely intact following the conflict" this clearly shows that PAF was not "blown out of the sky and hiding in Iran" India never established air superiority in West Pakistan.

  1. ^ https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85T00875R001100030003-0.pdf
  2. ^ "India: Easy Victory, Uneasy Peace". Time. 27 December 1971.
  3. ^ "CIA" (PDF).
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