User:Puddleglum2.0/NPP School: Difference between revisions
Line 1,382: | Line 1,382: | ||
::{{ping|Rosguill}} I really didn't (and don't) think that that article was much of anything after the copyvio had been removed - it seemed pretty bare bones to me. I'm really sorry, copyright policy for some reason is really not clicking with me. I wonder if they're is something I'm missing, I'm going to go through the copyvio pages again and just review. Thanks for putting up with me. {{smiley}} Cheers. -- [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:navy;"><b>puddleglum</b></span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:silver;"><sup><i>2.0</i></sup></span>]] 22:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC) |
::{{ping|Rosguill}} I really didn't (and don't) think that that article was much of anything after the copyvio had been removed - it seemed pretty bare bones to me. I'm really sorry, copyright policy for some reason is really not clicking with me. I wonder if they're is something I'm missing, I'm going to go through the copyvio pages again and just review. Thanks for putting up with me. {{smiley}} Cheers. -- [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:navy;"><b>puddleglum</b></span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:silver;"><sup><i>2.0</i></sup></span>]] 22:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC) |
||
:::{{u|Puddleglum2.0}}, no need to apologize, if this stuff was easy to pick up there wouldn't be a need to teach it. As for the article itself, my general standard for copyvio removal vs. deletion is that if an article is about a subject that stands a chance of being notable and is not totally incomprehensible or blatantly promotional after you remove the copyvio content, it's better to keep the article and ask for a revdel rather than tagging it for deletion. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 23:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC) |
:::{{u|Puddleglum2.0}}, no need to apologize, if this stuff was easy to pick up there wouldn't be a need to teach it. As for the article itself, my general standard for copyvio removal vs. deletion is that if an article is about a subject that stands a chance of being notable and is not totally incomprehensible or blatantly promotional after you remove the copyvio content, it's better to keep the article and ask for a revdel rather than tagging it for deletion. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 23:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC) |
||
::::{{ping|Rosguill}} Thanks - that's a good standard to keep in mind. I've gone through the policies you've linked at the beginning - how do we want to progress from here? Thanks again, -- [[User:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:navy;"><b>puddleglum</b></span>]][[User talk:Puddleglum2.0|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:silver;"><sup><i>2.0</i></sup></span>]] 23:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC) |
Revision as of 23:17, 4 August 2020
Hello, welcome to your New Page Patrol School page! Every person I instruct will have their own page on which I will give them support and tasks for them to complete. Please make sure you have this page added to your watchlist. Your NPP School page has been specifically designed according to you and what you have requested instruction in - for that reason, please be as specific as possible when under my instruction, so that I know the best ways to help you (and do not be afraid to let me know if you think something isn't working).
- How to use this page
This page will be built up over your time in the School, with new sections being added as you complete old ones. Each section will end with a task, written in bold type - this might just ask a question, or it might require you to go and do something. You can answer a question by typing the answer below the task; if you have to do something, you will need to provide diffs to demonstrate that you have completed the task. Some sections will have more than one task, sometimes additional tasks may be added to a section as you complete them. Please always sign your responses to tasks as you would on a talk page.
Notability
Extended content
| |||
---|---|---|---|
PART 1 Notability may be the single most important concept for new page patrol, so your instruction will start with making sure that you have a solid understanding of what notability is and how to apply it. The primary relevant guideline for notability is WP:N: please review that carefully before answering the following questions. General questions
In your own words, how is notability defined on Wikipedia? Notability in Wikipedia can be defined as that which has garnered attention by the world overtime, and can be verified and cited from multiple and various reliable sources.
Would step by step instructions on how to "Change a car tire" be considered a notable topic in Wikipedia? Why or why not? No; it falls under WP:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia is not a manual. You could go to a site like Wikihow for something like that. What are the differences between the WP:GNG and the subject-specific notability guidelines? How do we determine which one to use when patrolling an article? GNG offers the basic requirements for notability; even if an article meets those requirements it might not meet more specific requirements. Because of this, an article should first be checked for GNG, if it meets that, it should be checked for the specific requirements.
Subject-specific notability guidelines primarily include two types of information: they may include alternative criteria that a subject may meet that indicate that it is highly likely that the subject meets notability, and they may include specific considerations about what kinds of coverage comprise "significant coverage" in a reliable source for that subject. You could split hairs and argue that this second category of information does in a sense overrule GNG because it may narrow the field of sources that can be used to establish notability, but the key takeaway here is that if you have significant coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources, then notability has been demonstrated. signed, Rosguill talk 21:32, 26 November 2019 (UTC) @Rosguill: Answers above. Puddleglum2.0 Have a talk? 20:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Subject-specific notability guidelines1. Please categorize the subject-specific notability guidelines (listed at WP:SNG) into the following three categories
2. Virtually all SNGs that provide additional notability criteria specify that these criteria may indicate that the subject meets notability guidelines. How would you interpret this caveat as a new page reviewer? may means that these criteria must also be used along with the GNG requirements. Just because an article meets the SNG requirements doesn't mean it meets GNG; if it doesn't meet GNG rules, it is not notable.
ScenariosFor scenarios 1-6 review just based on "subject notability guidelines" (SNG) "alone" for sake of the exercise. Do not consider any sources or other policies. Please answer if the subject meets the SNG guidelines based on the given content below, and specify which notability criteria they meet or fail. For scenarios 7-11 specify which SNGs would establish the subject's notability.
An editor creates an article about "2024 Summer Olympics" in 2019 without providing any sources, is the subject considered not notable and why?
A follow up question we'll go over this more in detail later, but say that the article was 2040 Summer Olympics. What would be the correct action to take, assuming that you can't find any sources online? I think I would nominate it for speedy deletion under A7, no indication of importance.
A New York city based 2019 start up software company , specializing in data mining, has just received a USD 200K investor fund.
Maycee Barber who is a female Ultimate Fighting Championships fighters with the undefeated mixed martial arts record of 7-0 and she is currently ranked #12 in the women's flyweight division.
An upcoming action drama title "Suleiman the Great" based on the the life of Suleiman the Magnificent, was reported will be in production in December 2019 and to be released on August 2020 in the cinemas. No, it has not yet started principal photography, according to WP:NFF it must have started principal photography.
A political candidates, without any previous or current political position, who is running for November 2019 election for a Senator position in United States with multiple local newspapers coverage of his candidacy. No, because according to WP:NPOL
A singer who self produced his first album in May 2019 and his songs are listed in Spotify. No, I don't see that he meets any of the 12 criteria listed at WP:SINGER.
The closest I could find is WP:GEOLAND, I didn't find anything that was directly related to cities.
@Rosguill: OK, answers above. Can you please ping me when you are done checking the answers? I have a large watchlist due to counter-vandalism. Thanks! Puddleglum2.0 Have a talk? 18:11, 29 November 2019 (UTC) @Puddleglum2.0: done grading this section and the extra follow up question about the summer Olympics. signed, Rosguill talk 18:53, 29 November 2019 (UTC) |
Sources
Extended content
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Exercises
@Rosguill: Answers + Problem above. Thank you for your time, Puddleglum2.0 Have a talk? 20:08, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
![]() Frank Lloyd Wright (June 8, 1867 – April 9, 1959) was an American architect, interior designer, writer, and educator. Wright believed in designing structures that were in harmony with humanity and its environment, a philosophy he called organic architecture. His creative period spanned more than 70 years. He works includes The Guggenheim, swirling, snail-shaped museum in the middle of Manhattan.[1][2] Fallingwater, which has been called "the best all-time work of American architecture."[3] This is one of Wright's most famous private residences (completed 1937), was built for Mr. and Mrs. Edgar J. Kaufmann, Sr., at Mill Run, Pennsylvania. Constructed over a 30-foot waterfall, it was designed according to Wright's desire to place the occupants close to the natural surroundings. The house was intended to be more of a family getaway, rather than a live-in home.[4]
References
Frank Lloyd Wright grading
New page patrol is a triage process: the goal is not to find every little flaw with an article, but to assess the state of an article, determine whether it belongs in the encyclopedia, and move on. This does not mean that we can be sloppy, but rather that we can prioritize checking easy to evaluate sources, and only moving on to obscure ones if necessary. If you were actually evaluating an article on the basis of these four sources, you could conclude that GNG was met just from the NYPost and BusinessWeek coverage and you wouldn't necessarily have to look up the book (although you should still follow up on sources being used to support controversial or dubious claims). If you have an article where you see 3 garbage sources followed by an inaccessible source, it may be acceptable to go straight to AfD on the basis that even if that last source is solid, it still isn't enough to meet GNG (although if a book source appears to have the subject as its primary topic and is published by a reputable publisher and/or author, you should make an effort to request the source rather than going to straight to deletion, because that is a lot of coverage and additional coverage almost certainly exists if it is legitimate). If you have an article where an inaccessible source would make the difference in whether the article meets GNG, then it's better to not review the article and leave it to someone else if you don't have the time or ability to retrieve the source yourself. signed, Rosguill talk 07:39, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
![]() Jordan Lennon (born February 22, 2000), is a British film producer and actor. [1] Lennon is currently a member of BAFTA.[2] He continues to work aside 20th Century Fox, Warner Bros, Wicked Wales, Capture Studios, Cineworld, Paramount Pictures, and Rockefeller Foundation.[3] At age 16, the Vice President of 20th Century Fox, Paul Higginson. Who previously worked on Star Wars, Titanic, and Independence Day took on Jordan and Rowan Snow as a mentor.[4] In December 2018, Jordan and Rowan finished British Film Academy.[5] Jordan lived in Skelmersdale for 10 years before moving to Rhyl, North Wales. He's currently writing 'Stranger in the Night' scrreenplay for Warner Brothers.
References
Jordan Lennon gradingI'm resetting answers for this question, as some appear to have been written in error (information clearly about BAFTA was listed in the entry for the LinkedIn profile). However, other answers were just plain wrong. I would suggest heeding the words of footnote #5 at WP:N as an example of coverage that falls short of significant: @Puddleglum2.0: please try answering this question again. signed, Rosguill talk 21:45, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Actual grading
@Puddleglum2.0:, You seem to have a decent grasp on identifying when a source is and isn't independent of a subject, but you haven't quite grasped what it means for a source to have significant coverage of a subject. We should work on that a bit more. In the meantime, read over my feedback carefully, then explain in your own words what it means for a source to have significant coverage of a subject signed, Rosguill talk 05:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
![]() Sonny William Williams (born 3 August 1985), who is a Muslim[1], is a New Zealand All blacks rugby union footballer,[2] Williams was a Marist Saints junior when he was spotted playing in Auckland by Bulldogs talent scout John Ackland.[3] In 2002 he was offered a contract and moved to Sydney (as the youngest player to ever sign with an NRL club) to play in the Bulldogs' junior grades.[4]
References
Sonny Bill Williams grading
You seem to have had some difficulty evaluating source reliability. This is an important part of being a new page reviewer, and we'll do some more practice on that later. For now, here's an abbreviated list of steps to take when evaluating sources:
In the case of the Sydney Morning Herald, you would have found discussions treating SMH as a reliable source by searching on RSN in step 3. I took a citation to one of these discussions and added an entry to NPPSG, so it's listed there too now (generally a stronger citation would be preferred, but the SMH has a strong reputation and the only reason it wasn't already listed is that its reliability has rarely, if ever, been formally challenged on Wikipedia). signed, Rosguill talk 08:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC) 7. David Petraeus![]() David Howell Petraeus AO (/pɪˈtreɪ.əs/; born November 7, 1952) is a retired United States Army general and public official. He served as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency from September 6, 2011,[1] until his resignation on November 9, 2012[2] after his affair with Paula Broadwell was reported.[3] Petraeus was born in Cornwall-on-Hudson, New York, the son of Sixtus Petraeus (1915–2008),[4] a sea captain from Franeker, Netherlands.[5]
References
David Petraeus grading
8. Martina Hingis![]() Martina Hingis is a Swiss former professional tennis player.[1] She won five Grand Slam singles titles.[2] Hingis was one of the highest-paid female athletes in 2000.[3] She retired in November 2007 after being hampered by a hip injury for several months and testing positive for a metabolite of cocaine during that year's Wimbledon Championships,[4] which led to a two-year suspension from the sport.[5]
References
Martina Hingis gradingRefresher: sources and notability guidelinesPuddleglum2.0 Ok, now that you've more or less got the hang of identifying whether or not a given source contributes to meeting GNG, can you apply your knowledge of GNG and SNGs? For each of the above subjects assessed in the previous section, please identify whether they meet notability guidelines (and how/why), based solely on the sources included on this page (i.e. don't go looking for more sources) signed, Rosguill talk 21:51, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@Rosguill: Answers above. Puddleglum 2.0 03:38, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Anyway, good job! I'll put up more questions shortly. signed, Rosguill talk 03:54, 14 December 2019 (UTC) How to identify a reliable sourcePuddleglum2.0 I was looking through various WP spaces trying to find a guide on how to evaluate whether a source is reliable or not in the wild, and while I was able to find some essays and guidelines about specific topics that require special care when assessing reliability (WP:MEDRS, WP:SCIRS, WP:HISTRS), I wasn't able to find one for sources in general. I'm going to ask around to see if I missed anything, but if that fails then I'm probably going to end up writing such a guide myself. In the meantime, let's move on to the next section of the course. signed, Rosguill talk 04:19, 14 December 2019 (UTC) |
Content Policy
Extended content
|
---|
Article titles
Hannibal Barca was a Carthaginian general and statesman who is widely considered one of the greatest military commanders in history. His father, Hamilcar Barca, was a leading Carthaginian commander during the First Punic War (264–241 BC).[1][2][3] References
Answer: Needs to be changed; per this policy, the article title should display what the subject is known as. Hannibal Barxa is generally known as simply Hannibal; the page "Hannibal Barca" could be a redirect or something. Puddleglum 2.0 04:43, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Earvin "Magic" Johnson Jr. (born August 14, 1959) is an American retired professional basketball player and former president of basketball operations of the Los Angeles Lakers of the National Basketball Association (NBA). He played point guard for the Lakers for 13 seasons.[1][2][3][4] References
That name is good; again, per the same policy, the title should be what the subject is popularly known as; the less should contain the full name; this does, the title is good.
Biographies of living persons
Conor Anthony McGregor (born 14 July 1988) is an Irish professional mixed martial artist and boxer. His is a former Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) featherweight and lightweight champion.[1] On 15 August 2019, TMZ Sports published a video that appeared to show McGregor punching a man at The Marble Arch Pub in Dublin.[2] The incident happened on 6 April and was originally reported by Irish media, although without the video that showed the attack. Irish police stated in April that they had opened an investigation.[3] McGregor was charged with assault and first appeared in court on 11 October 2019.[4][5][6] In April 2019, McGregor is the father of Terri Murray's son, Clodagh. Murray bedded McGregor in 2017 at his hotel after the Aintree Grand National just four weeks bofore McGregor's girlfriend Dee Devlin gave birth to their son. References
Diana Nyad (née Sneed; born August 22, 1949) is an American author, journalist, motivational speaker, and long-distance swimmer who lives in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW in Washington, D.C. and could be contacted at +0-202-456-6213.[1] Nyad gained national attention in 1975 when she swam around Manhattan (28 mi or 45 km) and in 1979 when she swam from North Bimini, The Bahamas, to Juno Beach, Florida (102 mi (164 km)). In 2013, on her fifth attempt and at age 64, she became the first person confirmed to swim from Cuba to Florida without the aid of a shark cage, swimming from Havana to Key West (110 mi or 180 km).[2] References
I can't see any policy that explicitly forbids it, but I know it isn't good to list phone numbers. Besides that, it's ok, in would simply remove the number, even if it's incorrect. Puddleglum 2.0 17:18, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
@Rosguill: answers above. Puddleglum 2.0 17:20, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Images copyright
Answer- Explanation: Yes, it complies with policy.
The website the image is found at is listed here.
Answer- Explanation: Yep
Answer - link/guideline: The website is a Public Domain Site, the policy says that is OK.
Answer- Explanation: Yes- the website is full of images that are in the Public Domain.
Website listed here.
Answer- Explanation: No; it is not released to the Public Domain. Answer - link/guideline: From the Public Domain image Resources Page: "Public Domain resources should have either the Public Domain Mark 1.0 or the CC0 1.0 Universal (CC0 1.0)" I could find no such tag on the website or for the image.
@Rosguill: answers above... Puddleglum 2.0 22:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Neutral point of viewPlease read WP:NPOV and MOS:PUFF. Point out the WP:NPOV words/phrases and rewrite the paragraph in Questions 9& 10 from a neutral point of view.
Answer: A professional boxer, she earned her status as a proffesional at age 19 after winning an amateur fight. This won her such acclaim that she was able to fight under XXX promotion for her next fight a year later.
Answer: He is an acclaimed Bulgarian actor who was born in Veliko Tarnovo. He began acting at age 14, and since then has been featured in over forty films
Answer: <s>It is importnat to provide balance because Wikipedia is intended to be an encyclopedia, where a neutral point of view is important. If there is no nuetrality, it will be impossible to actually gain knowledge from Wikipedia articles.</s> WP:DUE is an important policy because it prevents undue weight from being given to minority sources that do not have prominent supporters. All sources should be major or have prominent supporters, to prevent fringe theories and stuff like that.
@Rosguill: OK, answers above. Puddleglum 2.0 23:04, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Extra neutrality practiceFor the following paragraphs, identify if they need any edits for neutrality, and if so, draft a corrected version of the paragraph. 1. Goessling is member of the Cancer Genetics Program and the Gastrointestinal Malignancies Program, both at the Dana-Farber/Harvard Cancer Center.[1] He is also advisory dean of the Irving M. London Society for HST students.[2] He has been hailed for his accessbility, compassion and knowledge and his remarkable patient care, even while he has had to fight against his own aggressive malignancy.[3][4] References
Goessling is a member of two cancer research programs at the Dana-Farber/Harvard Cancer Center. He also advises HST students at the Irving M. London Society. His accessbility, compassion, and knowledge has been praised, even as he fought against his own cancer.
2. Nathaniel Coleman (born January 1, 1997) is an American sport climber. He became the first American male climber to qualify to compete in the Olympic Games after advancing to the final at IFSC Combined Qualifier Toulouse 2019 in November–December, 2019.[1] Coleman won three straight USA Climbing Bouldering Open National Championships, from 2016 to 2018, and finished 2nd in the 2019 competition. He also finished second in the 2019 Combined Invitational.[2]
References
I think this one has NPOV.
References
The Disque Foundation is a nonprofit organization created by Dr. Karl Disque in 2012. It was founded as a response to the 2010 Haiti earthquake. Its mission is to improve education and healthcare to impoverished communities.
4. Patrick John Harrington, QC is a Welsh criminal law barrister and Queen's Counsel.[1] He has acted in more than 250 homicide trials,[1] and has been noted for work on some of "the largest and most complex fraud cases in the UK".[2] He has been referred to as one of Wales' "most prominent" lawyers.[2] References
I believe this is NPOV.
References
I don't know if this is even a notable topic, but it is ridiculously WP:PUFF , so much so I'm not sure how to rewrite it...
@Rosguill: Answers above. Puddleglum 2.0 16:58, 21 January 2020 (UTC) Puddleglum2.0 Good work! signed, Rosguill talk 19:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC) No original research
Answer: Because it is hard to verify if it is true, and because an encyclopedia is a place to get reliably sourced information on a topic.
Answer: this article only cites one source, but I'm sure it combines some sources with original research without actually citing anything.
@Rosguill: Answers above, thanks for your patience. Puddleglum 2.0 20:10, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Verifiability
Answer: No, we couldn't, because there is no way to verify that the subject has three sons. We would do best to bring it up on the subject's article talk page.
@Rosguill: How does one go about finding Original Research? Puddleglum 2.0 03:55, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
|
Filtering - Criteria for speedy deletion
PART 2
- We have looked at the requirements needed for a page to meet notability guidelines, content policies and the types of sources needed to merit a page in Wikipedia in Part 1 (Assignment 1, 2 & 3). In assignment 4, we look at what type of articles need to be filtered out from our system when reviewing a page. There are many criteria of WP:Criteria for speedy deletion. Here we discuss (1) General criteria (G1-G14), (2) Article criteria (A1-A11) and R2.
- Please do the following
- Please set up your CSD log by installing MYCSD so that I can review your CSD nominations. After saving, you have to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes - see instruction at Wikipedia:Bypass your cache.
- Bookmark Earwig's Copyvio Detector in your computer.
- Download CV-revdel and after saving, you have to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes - see instruction at Wikipedia:Bypass your cache.
General criteria
- 1. Please review (G1-G14) at General and answer the following questions in your own words.
No | Criterion | Application | Mentor comments |
---|---|---|---|
1 | G1 | Deleting articles that only contain inexplicable nonsense. | ![]() |
2 | G2 | Deleting test pages (i.e. obvious editing tests or Sandbox subpages) | ![]() |
3 | G3 | Deleting articles that are only obvious vandalism and/or obvious hoaxes. | ![]() |
4 | G4 | Deleting articles that were remade after being previously deleted. | ![]() |
5 | G5 | Deleting articles that are created in violation of a block by the blocked user. | ![]() |
6 | G6 | deleting articles for maintenance reasons. | ![]() |
7 | G7 | Deleting articles by request of the author. | ![]() |
8 | G8 | Deleting articles that rely on other deleted articles | ![]() |
9 | G9 | for WMF action. | ![]() |
10 | G10 | Deleting articles that are only made to disparage and attack the subject. | ![]() |
11 | G11 | Deleting articles that contain only pure advertising and promotion | ![]() |
12 | G12 | Deleting articles that are a clear copyright infringment. | ![]() |
13 | G13 | Deleting abandoned drafts (that have been sitting in the draft queue for six months. | ![]() |
14 | G14 | Deleting unnecessary disambiguation pages | ![]() |
- @Rosguill: Ok, answers above. Did you want more explanation? I know my explanations are pretty bare bones, so I could expand if you want. Anyway, thanks! Puddleglum2.0 03:35, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Puddleglum2.0: graded, and added a new section. The general level of detail for these answers has been fine, although for some of them being slightly more precise is important. signed, Rosguill talk 04:13, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Article criteria
- 1. Please review A1-A11, R2, and R3 criteria at WP:CSD#List of criteria and answer the following questions in your own words.
No | Criterion | Application | Mentor comments |
---|---|---|---|
1 | A1 | For articles with no context, or not enough to establish the subject of the article | ![]() |
2 | A2 | For foreign language articles that are on another WikiMedia Project | ![]() |
3 | A3 | For empty articles with no content. | ![]() |
4 | A4 | A4 is no longer used as a CSD criteria. | ![]() |
5 | A5 | For articles that have been copy-pasted from a different WikiMedia Project. | ![]() |
6 | A6 | A6 is no longer used as a CSD criteria. | ![]() |
7 | A7 | For articles that do not establish importance and are about of animals, people, organizations, web stuff, and/or events. | ![]() |
8 | A8 | A8 is no longer used as a CSD criteria. | ![]() |
9 | A9 | For articles that do not establish significance that are about musical recordings. | ![]() |
10 | A10 | For recently created articles that cover a subject that already has an article. | ![]() |
11 | A11 | For articles about stuff that is obviously invented and a hoax. | ![]() |
12 | R2 | For cross-namespace redirects. | ![]() |
13 | R3 | For recently created redirects that cover an implausible typo. | ![]() |
Scenarios
For scenarios 1-3, 9, 11-13, and 15-19 all names are made-up and should not be looked at outside of the training environment. These can be broken up into multiple practice sets so as to not overwhelm the trainee.
- Scenario 1
A user with the username "BobSucks" creates an article called "John Smith" that contains solely the following text:
John Smith is the worst elementary school teacher on the planet.
- I would use G10, although G3 would also apply.
- Scenario 2
A user with the username "GoodTimesLLC" creates a user page with the following text
'''Good Times LLC''' is an organization dedicated to helping your children get the highest quality education at an affordable price. Visit our website at goodtimes.info and contact us at 123-456-7890.
- I would use G11.
- Scenario 3
A user creates an article titled "Edward Gordon" with the following text:
'''Edward Gordon''' (born July 1998) is an aspiring American actor and songwriter. So far, he has starred in many school plays and has published two albums on SoundCloud. He has over 500 subscribers on YouTube.
- I believe A7 would apply.
@Rosguill: Answers above. Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 18:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Fix ping, sorry: @Rosguill: Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 18:36, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Puddleglum2.0:, graded and added more questions. signed, Rosguill talk 19:17, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
More scenarios
- Scenario 4
A user creates an article titled "Bazz Ward" with the following content:
Bazz Ward was a Hall of Fame roadie and I wish he was as well known as Lemmy. Cheers Bazz.
- I would redirect this to The Nice. A7 and A1 are probably the closest criteria, but they don't quite apply.
- Scenario 5
A user creates an article Marks v. Shoup with the following content:
Under the law of Oregon which was in force in Alaska when the seizure and levy of the plaintiff's goods were made by the defendant as marshal of Alaska under a writ of attachment, that officer could not, by virtue of his writ, lawfully take the property from the possession of a third person, in whose possession he found it.
- I believe A1 would apply here.
, if you search for "Marks v. Shoup" online you can find relevant results, so A1 does not apply. This is actually text from a US district court case, and is thus 1) public domain and 2) likely notable. I would either mark the article as approved and tag for improvement, or nominate it for AfD if you don't think it has received enough coverage following a BEFORE search. signed, Rosguill talk 19:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Scenario 6
A user creates an article, but you can't understand any of it because it's in a foreign language.
- First I would put it through a translator. If it was copied, I would nominate it for G12, otherwise I would simply flag it for translation. (After also checking for G11, G10, and perhaps A2.)
, the general procedure described is correct, but G12 is the wrong CSD code for an article copied from another Wikimedia project. A2 is the most likely CSD code for this case, although if you do find that it was copied from a source with an incompatible copyright then G12 would apply. signed, Rosguill talk 19:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Scenario 7
A user creates an article, but shortly after creating it, the same user blanks the article by removing all of its content.
- I would wait a bit and if it remained empty nominate it for A3.
- Scenario 8
A user creates an article which is an identical copy of another article on Wikipedia.
- Assuming the duplicate is on enWP, I would nominate it for A10.
, first check if the title could be a valid redirect. If not, then A10 is correct.
- Scenario 9
A user with the name "WikiRockers" creates the following article
Phabricators are Fabulous is the debut single of an exciting new group called the WikiRockers.
- Clear G11 nomination.
- Scenario 10
A user creates an article and 5 minutes after it was created the article only has a single category with no other text.
- I would wait and watch the article for a bit longer, and if it remained like that I would nominate it for A3.
- @Rosguill: Thanks; see more answers above.
- @Puddleglum2.0:, graded, more questions below. signed, Rosguill talk 19:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Rosguill: just wanted to let you know I haven't forgotten - will try to answer tonight or tomorrow morning. I'm sorry I'm not the most active editor - RL keeps me busy. =) Thanks, Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 01:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Even more scenarios
- Scenario 11
A user creates an article Larry Footy with the following wikisource (in other words it properly displays in the article):
{{Infobox football biography |name = Larry Footy |birth_place = [[Leeds, England]] |currentclub = [[Oxford City]]}}
A1.
, claiming that the subject plays for Oxford City is enough to research the subject, which takes us out of A1 territory. G3 could apply, since you can quickly verify that no player by this name is listed on Oxford City's rosters, or failing that BLPPROD. signed, Rosguill talk 17:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Scenario 12
A user with the name Gamerfan123 creates the following article:
GamerCon is an annual event held in the garage of Shelly Sony. Last year 10 people attended - a record. This year's event will be held October 19-21.
A7.
- Scenario 13
A user creates the article HomeTown Pizza with the following content:
HomeTown Pizza is a local pizza maker. It has been open since 2004. Its most popular topping, according to the local paper, is pepperoni.[1] References 1.^ localalnewspaper.com/hometownpizza/profile.html
A7.
, and you should follow up by reporting them to WP:UAA since their username implies shared use (as well as a COI). signed, Rosguill talk 17:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Scenario 14
A user Someguy54321 makes the following article and 3 days later gets community banned for repeatedly operating a bot without approval.
Cecilia Rich is a state senator in the New Hampshire House of representatives.
It's not created in violation of the block, so I would mark it as a stub I think.
, you're right that G5 doesn't apply, but as an unsourced BLP article, you need to either find a source or mark it for BLPPROD. Given that the article makes a claim that meets WP:NPOLITICIAN, putting in a few minutes effort to find a source is probably the way to go. signed, Rosguill talk 17:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Scenario 15
User:PhilHDoct creates the following article at Solar Panel 2.0:
Phil Doct has created a new solar panel which will increase energy output from existing solar panels by 30%. He was granted a patent on this invention on May 15.
A11.
, while this is clearly a COI, a 30% increase in solar panel output is both significant and credible claim so A11 doesn't apply. Assuming that no sources have been provided, you should quickly see if anything pops up when searching online and Google Scholar, and if not then nominate for PROD. signed, Rosguill talk 17:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Scenario 16
A user converts a redirect Tayo into an article with the following wikisource. How, if at all, would it be different if a user made this as a new article?
[[Tayo the Little Bus|<span style="color: #0088ff;">You: Kill Tayo!!!!!!!!!!! </span><span style="color: #33ff0a;">Rogi: Nooooo You!!!!!!! </span><span style="color: #00a2ff;">Tayo:Help!!!!! Blood, this is my sad</span><span style="color: #ff2600;"> Gani: Call Emergency!!!!! <span style="color: #0088ff;">You: Kill Gani!!!!!!</span><span style="color: #eeff00;"> Lani:321! Bomb you!!!</span>]]
If the first scenario I would nominate it for G2, but with the second scenario I believe it could be G3.
, in the first scenario you should just restore the redirect. G3 could be appropriate for the second scenario. signed, Rosguill talk 17:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Scenario 17
A user named John from Acme Inc creates the following article. Assume that there is secondary sourcing present for all statements.
Acme Inc is a Mumbai based widget company with 1200 employees and 10 million (US) in revenues. They were founded in 2015 by Wiley C Oyote. Their first product was a one inch widget. Acme have won several awards for quality.
This would be OK I think.
, depending on the depth of coverage, it may still not meet GNG (esp since WP:NCORP encourages us to be quite strict with businesses), but we've left CSD and even PROD territory. You should also warn the initial editor about COI if they haven't already declared one. signed, Rosguill talk 17:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Scenario 18
A user named John from Acme Inc creates the following article. Assume that there is sourcing to the company's website present for all statements.
Acme Inc is the premier award-winning Indian widget company. Located in beautiful Mumbai, the company has 1200 hard-working dedicated employees who have powered the company to over 10 million (US) in revenues. In a flash of inspiration brilliant inventor Wiley C Oyote started the company in 2015. Their first product revolutionized widgets and amazingly each new product has been even more impressive. Acme has shown themselves to be the best in the business and only has the greatest things ahead of them. "If you want widgets, you want Acme," Chief Marketing officer John Roadrunner said.
G11.
- Scenario 19
A user named John from Acme Inc creates the following article.
Acme Inc is an award-winning[1][2] Indian widget company. The company has 1200 hard-working dedicated employees[3] who have powered the company to over 10 million (US) in revenues.[2] We were founded in 2015 by Wiley C Oyote.[3] Our first product was a one inch widget.[4] Acme has become an important widget manufacturer.[3] "If you want widgets, you want Acme," Chief Marketing officer John Roadrunner said.[4] ==References== 1.^ Indian company customer reviews. http://www.indiancustomers.com/Acme 2.^ Reporter, A. "Acme Wins Award". Mumbai Newspaper. October 20, 2018. 3.^ "Why Acme" acmewidgets.com 4.^ "Acme brings Widget to Market" www.pressreleases.com
G11 still I believe.
@Rosguill: OK, answers above, sorry for the wait. Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 16:39, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Puddleglum2.0:, graded, added more below. signed, Rosguill talk 17:44, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Redirect scenarios
- Scenario 20
An editor creates a redirect titled "Sittin Chapel" pointing at Sistine Chapel
R3.
- Scenario 21
An editor creates a redirect titled "Bornio" pointing at Borneo
I would keep; this seems like a possible typo.
- Scenario 22
An editor creates a redirect titled "St Augustine," pointing at St. Augustine
Keep.
- Scenario 23
An editor creates a redirect titled "New Joyzee" pointing at New Jersey
R3 -- spelling out of phonetic pronunciation, I don't think anyone would spell it tha
while you're entitled to think that this isn't a valid redirect, there's a plausible enough explanation for its creation such that it should be taken to RfD rather than marked for speedy deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 02:34, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- Scenario 24
An editor creates a redirect titled "Caltary" tagged with {{R from misspelling}} pointing at Calvary Keep.
, this should be taken to RfD because it is a spelling mistake that is also likely to refer to Calgary as Calvary. signed, Rosguill talk 02:34, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Puddleglum2.0, graded, now time for some practice with real articles. signed, Rosguill talk 02:38, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Live G11 practice
- 3. Please review WP:PROMOTION and WP:G11 and provide 5 successful CSD 11 articles you have nominated from Special:NewPagesFeed (New Page Patrol or Article for Creation section). Please provide the article names and I will check them at your CSD log.
Answer i:
DroidIn
Answer ii:
RedTacton
Answer iii:
Dominick P. Purpura
, I see that this one was actually just moved out of mainspace by a WikiEd facilitator and now lives at User:Miralex0209/sandbox1. That aside, I don't think this was a case of G11 and would have declined it had I come across it. While the article does need significant copy editing for neutrality, I wouldn't say that it has nothing usable, or that it is clearly and unambiguously promotional spam. Various claims made in the article are also strong indications of notability, provided that they're backed up by reliable sources. signed, Rosguill talk 00:41, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Answer iv:
Brea Olinda Unified School -- admin initially deleted but restored at creators request.
Answer v:
Mapúa University School of IT
, I think that some of the content in the lead would have been salvageable, but there's a secondary issue which is that redirecting to the parent organization is a preferable alternative to deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 00:41, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
@Rosguill: answers above. --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 23:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Puddleglum2.0: graded above, on to the next section. signed, Rosguill talk 00:44, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Copyright violations
- Please read WP:COPYVIO, WP:REVDEL, WP:COPYPASTE, WP:DCM and WP:G12 and answer the questions below.
Answer: G12 is for pages with unambiguous copyvio problems, when the article history is so corrupt it is not possible to restore a previous version with proper attributions. Revdel can be used to hide revisions that bring in copyvios; it Can only be used if it does not harm the edits of non-infringing editors.
- 4. What constitutes copyright infringement/violation.
Answer: Anything that is not freely redistributable under the CC-BY-SA license and the GNU Documentation License. Close paraphrasing and copy pasting text also counts as a copyvio.
, the above definition doesn't cover public domain material, which can also be reused without violating copyright signed, Rosguill talk 01:31, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- 5. What are some examples of cases where it is ok to have exact copies of text from sources in an article? Please provide three examples.
Answer i: If the text is a very short quote.
Answer ii: If the text is freely licensed and available for redistribution.
Answer iii: If the text is licensed under a compatibile licensing scheme.
these answers are correct, but iii is a subset of ii. One example that's missing here is content that cannot be rephrased in any way other than how it's presented at a copyright protected source, such as bibliographies of references to academic papers. Articles about academics will regularly cause the copyvio tool to go off due to the inclusion of such references, so you need to be careful when evaluating a copyvio report to make sure that it's actually a violation (in addition to checking if the content is released under a compatible license or itself copied from Wikipedia). signed, Rosguill talk 01:31, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- 6. Why do copyright violations need to be removed from Wikipedia and who determines when a violation is lawfully taking place?
Answer: Copyvios must be removed for a couple reasons: Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, so cannot contain non-free material, and it is against the official law of most every country to violate copyright laws. It's up to the admins to determine and take care of copyroght violations, but normal editors can report it.
- Puddleglum2.0, Follow up question: what about content that is not free-use, but is instead released as "free for Wikipedia use" or "free for non-commercial use"? signed, Rosguill talk 01:31, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Rosguill: Yes, you could use that, but I believe it just be mentioned in the source. --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 03:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Puddleglum2.0
. While such use would be legal, Wikipedia's mission of providing free content means that we can't include non-free text, because the idea is that readers should be free to copy and reuse content from Wikipedia without fear of breaking the law. The relevant guideline is WP:Non-free content, which also details when non-free content can be used (largely just exceptions provided by US law). signed, Rosguill talk 03:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- I see, thanks Rosguill. I think I missed the difference between legal and allowed. Thanks, --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 04:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Puddleglum2.0
- @Rosguill: Yes, you could use that, but I believe it just be mentioned in the source. --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 03:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Rosguill: most answers above, do you want real examples of those cases of hypothetical? Thanks, --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 01:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Puddleglum2.0 hypothetical is fine. signed, Rosguill talk 01:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Rosguill: answers above. --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 01:17, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Puddleglum2.0 hypothetical is fine. signed, Rosguill talk 01:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Copyright violations live practice
- 7. Please provide 5 successful CSD 12 articles you have nominated from Special:NewPagesFeed (New Page Patrol or Article for Creation section). Pls provide the article names and I will check them at your CSD log. You can use Earwig's Copyvio Detector tool to check if an article is in violation of COPYVIO.
Answer i:
Answer ii:
- Wentworth Park, Nova Scotia
, while there was a copyright violation, there was enough original prose to make deletion of the article unnecessary. The proper procedure in this case is to remove the offending content and file for WP:REVDEL. You can look at the revision history of the article, where Moneytrees has carried out the appropriate redactions step by step. signed, Rosguill talk 20:28, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Answer iii:
- GNSS Service Centre
, this is a weird one. The original page that tripped the copyvio detector, [10], appears to have been released as "free for non-commercial use". While such content is still not welcome on wikipedia, per WP:Non-free content, it isn't grounds for speedy deletion. Rather, you should tag it with {{copypaste}} and raise the issue on the talk page. The initial editor also chimed in on the talk page saying that they translated this from the German Wikipedia article. This seems plausible, as the text is not a perfect match of the original. In this case, a translation is sufficient permutation of the content to avoid copyright issues, so the final result is no violation. signed, Rosguill talk 20:28, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Answer iv:
Answer v:
- Lia Epperson
, this was a false positive, essentially none of the prose content appears to be a copyright violation. Articles about academics and lawyers often generate false positives because of their bibliographies, and the rather long names of the institutions that they often work at. signed, Rosguill talk 20:00, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Rosguill: answers above -- I apologize for the wait; for some reason Earwig rarely works when I log on; its really slow and I've had less time recently. Anyway, thanks as always! --Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 19:34, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Puddleglum2.0, graded. You had some trouble here, so please try tagging three more articles that you think are valid CSD cases. Copyright violation policy is really tricky, and for what it's worth I had to consult policy pages half a dozen times while grading this section. As far as the copyvios tool, it went down entirely recently, then was unreliable, and has only been back to full capacity recently. If the copyvio tool isn't working, you can try to search for copyvio manually by copying suspicious snippets of text into Google search, but usually when the tool is down I take that as motivation to go do something other than NPP (unless it goes down for more than several days). A final thing to watch out for when using the tool is that while it may register violations across multiple pages, it will only highlight matches against one page at a time. For articles that appear to have non-offending text, you're going to want to refresh the copyvio page after you remove each chunk to verify that the rest is kosher. Also, there's a known issue that the tool doesn't run properly on articles that have & in the title. signed, Rosguill talk 20:28, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Nebraska Equal Opportunity Commission
- I'm actually not sure that I agree with this one. As it was copied from [11], a subsite of the Nebraska government site. Its https://www.nebraska.gov/policies/ policies state that the website's content is free for noncommercial use. That's not ideal, but it doesn't need to be deleted. Rather, it should be flagged with {{non free}}. That having been said, with half the article having been copied from the subject's website and the other half comprising a totally unsourced attack against the subject, I don't think we've suffered a great loss in this article's deletion and am not going to intervene to retrieve it. signed, Rosguill talk 05:43, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- It was recreated - it looks like the exact same content, should it be deleted again? (Though not under copyvio, that makes sense.) -- puddleglum2.0 23:02, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- Josias Welsh
- Turns out, I got that one wrong too, per User_talk:Rosguill#Speedy_deletion_of_copyrighted_page_Josias_Welsh. signed, Rosguill talk 17:17, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- I think the declaration was malformatted or something - at least for me, the notice didn't pop up in Earwig. Can't see the deleted version though, so can't be too sure. Thanks for restoring! Cheers -- puddleglum2.0 23:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- Can't say I remember ever seeing a notification about public domain or compatible licenses come up in Earwig's detector. In this case, the disclosure appears to have been included in some of the actual footnotes, which is appropriate (although it's better form to also mention it in the edit summary). signed, Rosguill talk 23:04, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
That's what I have for now - New pages feed is slow. =) -- puddleglum2.0 01:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
@Rosguill: OK, there's the third. -- puddleglum2.0 23:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- Puddleglum2.0, could you clarify why you thought G12 was appropriate for this article, rather than just redacting the offending content? signed, Rosguill talk 23:12, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Rosguill: I really didn't (and don't) think that that article was much of anything after the copyvio had been removed - it seemed pretty bare bones to me. I'm really sorry, copyright policy for some reason is really not clicking with me. I wonder if they're is something I'm missing, I'm going to go through the copyvio pages again and just review. Thanks for putting up with me.
Cheers. -- puddleglum2.0 22:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Puddleglum2.0, no need to apologize, if this stuff was easy to pick up there wouldn't be a need to teach it. As for the article itself, my general standard for copyvio removal vs. deletion is that if an article is about a subject that stands a chance of being notable and is not totally incomprehensible or blatantly promotional after you remove the copyvio content, it's better to keep the article and ask for a revdel rather than tagging it for deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 23:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Rosguill: Thanks - that's a good standard to keep in mind. I've gone through the policies you've linked at the beginning - how do we want to progress from here? Thanks again, -- puddleglum2.0 23:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Puddleglum2.0, no need to apologize, if this stuff was easy to pick up there wouldn't be a need to teach it. As for the article itself, my general standard for copyvio removal vs. deletion is that if an article is about a subject that stands a chance of being notable and is not totally incomprehensible or blatantly promotional after you remove the copyvio content, it's better to keep the article and ask for a revdel rather than tagging it for deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 23:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Rosguill: I really didn't (and don't) think that that article was much of anything after the copyvio had been removed - it seemed pretty bare bones to me. I'm really sorry, copyright policy for some reason is really not clicking with me. I wonder if they're is something I'm missing, I'm going to go through the copyvio pages again and just review. Thanks for putting up with me.