Talk:Pepe the Frog

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2020

EDIT: I tried for a long time to find a more reliable source, but ultimately couldn't find one. Why does the previous text get to stay without a source? Could I put my source as [original research?]— Preceding unsigned comment added by CyberdemonE2M8 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

EDIT 2: A source I found: https://theconversation.com/how-an-ancient-egyptian-god-spurred-the-rise-of-trump-72598

Please could I get an answer to my previous question? I would like to know in future when requesting edits and editing, when you need a source and when you don't. I do not see the difference between what was there (without a source) and what I wrote (with an unreliable source).— Preceding unsigned comment added by CyberdemonE2M8 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

In the "Kek" section, change

"Kek is associated with the occurrence of repeating digits, known as "dubs",[original research?] on 4chan"

to

"As 4chan is an anonymous image board, all posts are assigned a post number for reference. These post numbers are almost random due to unpredictable board traffic. Posts ending with double digits (dubs), triple digits (trips) all the way up to eight repeating digits are known as GETS. A post with a GET is said to be the voice of Kek, and is considered prophetic in nature."

Source: https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com/ Search the page for the word "dubs"

I've used 4chan for non-political discussion, so am familiar with the post number system and concept of GETS. CyberdemonE2M8 (talk) 06:12, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The link above is not considered reliable by Wikipedia's standards. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:30, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

@CyberdemonE2M8: when adding new comments, please do so at the bottom of a section. Also, please remember to sign your comments on talk pages. Thanks. Seagull123 Φ 22:23, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

 Note: I'm closing this requet as  Not done. The mess of modified comments and replies inserted willy-nilly make this impossible to follow. If you want to make another request, please do so in an organized fashion, and if it gets rejected and you want to reply, do so as stated above rather than going back to edit comments after they're responded to (see Help:Talk for more info). I'll note though, that trying to source stuff to blogs isn't going to fly; see WP:SPS. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:26, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Weird that Matt Furie redirects to Pepe the Frog?

Seems strange that instead of a stub article for the creator of Pepe the Frog, his Wikipedia page redirects to his creation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.110.160 (talk) 01:43, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Not weird, just wrong. The Pepe page shows that there has been enough published about Furie. His page should be about him, not Pepe. I would like to know about him! Find non-Pepe stuff too!71.230.16.111 (talk) 21:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

The only reason that Furie redirects to Pepe is that no on has yet written an article about Furie. If you have access to published articles about Furie, and feel able to contribute to an article about the man, then here is your chance to do so. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 21:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Dubious claim about the Hong Kong protests

"Hong Kongers were generally unaware that Pepe the Frog had been appropriated by the alt-right and white supremacists in the United States." Excuse me? To assume that the Hong Kong protesters didn't know anything about Pepe and its history and just used him because he was a popular character or something is nearly an insult. Even the article itself later contradicts itself (“It has nothing to do with the far-right ideology in the [States]. It just looks funny and captures the hearts of so many youngsters. It is a symbol of youth participation in this movement.”) on the assumption that they didn't know anything about Pepe as a hate symbol, now they claim that they knew about his history, but didn't care as this was a symbol they could interprete however they wanted to. A second source is needed (the two sources seem to link to the same article) or this is not a verifiable claim. XXShrekPurpleXX (talk) 19:20, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't see the problem here. We can only go by what reliable sources say. The body of the article includes several sources on this. For example, the New York Time source also mentions this: The question confuses many protesters, many of whom had no idea about the symbol’s racist connotations elsewhere in the world. They just like him. Hong Kong's protest movement's attitude about a meme that started in the US in a different context is... nebulous, to put it mildly. Expecting precision will lead to frustration. Hong Kong protesters either don't know or don't care or somewhere in between, but I don't see this as insulting. From the body of the article, neither does Matt Furie, the character's creator. Grayfell (talk) 21:01, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

The problem is that the usage of the image as a white supremacist symbol has no relevance to the use in the Hong Kong protests. It also awkwardly implies the Hong Kong protestors are a single unit. How many protestors need to be "unaware" of other groups "appropriation" of the image for it to be representative of all protestors in such a statement? The sentence sticks out as an oddity that doesn't really belong.

You don't seem to get it

The whole thing is a joke, yet you claim it is an alt-right symbol of white supremacy. It simply isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.202.176 (talk) 20:32, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2020

Please change the omission of "Pepe the frog is a common emoji seen during twitch streams used to express surprise, sadness, or excitement" to include "Pepe the frog is a common emoji seen during twitch streams used to express surprise, sadness, or excitement" in the As a Meme section. Source: https://www.polygon.com/2018/5/14/17335670/twitch-emotes-meaning-list-kappa-monkas-omegalul-pepe-trihard Edit: I believe that this is not a trivial mention because Twitch is a huge outlet for the younger demographic similar to Youtube, and Pepe represents how they express themselves in a new way. The young audience use pepe to communicate with twich streamers, who they look up to, so leaving this information out means leaving a big part of young culture. The young will grow to control society when we are older after all, and they are influenced by this emoji, Pepe, as much as any other part of culture. I thought that this source that I provided explains this but obviously no one has read it yet.Unknowut (talk) 00:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Please provide a reliable source that supports this addition. Even then, it sounds like a rather trivial mention. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:28, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

(Noting that a source has been added to the original request) – Thjarkur (talk) 09:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

how did legal moves against Richard Spencer etc go?

Glad the article includes Matt Furrie's victory against Eric Hauser (wikipedia article doesn't mention his name for some reason)(no sign of Eric's book at Post Hill Press's website). So The Forward has an article saying Matt Furrie and associated lawyers had served "cease and desist orders to a number of far-right sites and personalities, including Richard Spencer, Baked Alaska, Mike Cernovich and the Reddit channel the_Donald, ...". They won against Baked Alaska (see Baked Alaska (activist)). But what happened with other battles?? (ie. can this Pepe article include the results of those battles). --EarthFurst (talk) 05:37, 20 October 2020 (UTC)