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Recent cases/ supremacists?

The article almost entirely mentions groups, events and people who are approx. 100 years or more old. Also, the list of "White Separatists" are not necessarily "White Supremacists". 

The idea of a person believing their race should not intersect with other races is not the same as believing that their race is superior to other races. Why is that category in a wiki for supremacists? Jared Taylor for example has said many times that he would prefer the races be seperate but has never said even one word about superiority. This is very misleading and is 2 entirely different subjects.

Also, listening to the main stream media - the current newsycle is constantly driving home the idea that "white supremacy" is responsible for almost everything negative in the world today. I'm sure there must be hundreds or thousands of examples and people that can be cited as "white supremacists" that are current, yet again I'm only seeing a few names here that haven't been deceased for decades, and of even those names - most are seperatists and not supremacists.

Ultimately, I'm proposing the white seperatist group be removed from this wiki (and either filed under it's own wiki or not), and also add more names of current people that are actual white SUPREMACISTS and haven't been dead since before the Civil Rights movement. Yashamaga (talk) 12:29, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, older stuff has more coverage, and is generally less controversial, so it's easier to write about it. And when dealing with living people WP:BLP requires that we be cautious - we can only mention them here if the sourcing is very high-quality. We'd also want to avoid having this become a dumping ground for everyone who has been widely-described as a white supremacist - listing the most important / influential white supremacists of the 21st century here makes sense, but it shouldn't be an indiscriminate list. Still, some possible sources regarding modern white supremacy: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]

References

  1. ^ Inwood, Joshua (2020). "White supremacy, white counter-revolutionary politics, and the rise of Donald Trump". Environment and Planning C: Politics and Space. 37 (4): 579–596. doi:10.1177/2399654418789949. ISSN 2399-6544.
  2. ^ Jones, Hannah (26 October 2019). "More in common: the domestication of misogynist white supremacy and the assassination of Jo Cox". Ethnic and Racial Studies. 42 (14): 2431–2449. doi:10.1080/01419870.2019.1577474. ISSN 0141-9870.
  3. ^ de Gibert, Ona; Perez, Naiara; García-Pablos, Aitor; Cuadros, Montse (12 September 2018). "Hate Speech Dataset from a White Supremacy Forum". arXiv:1809.04444 [cs].
  4. ^ Mott, Carrie; Cockayne, Daniel (11 September 2020). "Understanding how hatred persists: situating digital harassment in the long history of white supremacy". Gender, Place & Culture. 0 (0): 1–20. doi:10.1080/0966369X.2020.1816920. ISSN 0966-369X.
  5. ^ Kindinger, Evangelia; Schmitt, Mark (4 January 2019). The Intersections of Whiteness. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-351-11277-2 – via Google Books.
  6. ^ Bhat, Prashanth; Klein, Ofra (2020). Covert Hate Speech: White Nationalists and Dog Whistle Communication on Twitter. Cham: Springer International Publishing. pp. 151–172. doi:10.1007/978-3-030-41421-4_7. ISBN 978-3-030-41421-4 – via Springer Link.
  7. ^ Brooks, Marcus A. (31 August 2020). "It's okay to be White: laundering White supremacy through a colorblind victimized White race-consciousness raising campaign". Sociological Spectrum. 0 (0): 1–17. doi:10.1080/02732173.2020.1812456. ISSN 0273-2173.
  8. ^ Daniels, Jessie (19 October 2017). "Twitter and White Supremacy: A Love Story". Publications and Research.
  9. ^ Sanchez, James Chase (2018). "Trump, the KKK, and the Versatility of White Supremacy Rhetoric" (PDF). Journal of Contemporary Rhetoric. 8.
  10. ^ Perry, Samuel (2018). "President Trump and Charlottesville: Uncivil Mourning and White Supremacy" (PDF). Journal of Contemporary Rhetoric. 8.
  11. ^ Huber, Lindsay Perez (2016). "Make America Great again: Donald Trump, Racist Nativism and the Virulent Adherence to White Supremecy Amid U.S. Demographic Change". Charleston Law Review. 10: 215.
None of the sources you have cited give any examples of 21st-century white supremacists, just the usual case of Marxist "academics" smearing Donald Trump and conservatives in general as racist and far-right without any evidence, which is part of the Left's agenda to dilute and render the terms "racism," "white supremacy," and "far-right" meaningless. This very Wikipedia article itself briefly mentions how modern-day far-left academics deliberately misuse the term "white supremacy" in order to sow confusion and conflict, and to demonize their political opponents. If you were being serious and not hyperbolic, actual 21st-century white supremacists would be people like David Duke (yeah, looks like he's nearing 100 years old), Robert Spencer (younger, Millennial version), groups like Atomwaffen Division, and Web sites like Stormfront and The Daily Stormer. Actual white supremacists are quite rare, fringe, and powerless in this century, despite what you may have heard from the left-wing media or blue check mark celebrities on Twitter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by McCoySWAT (talk • contribs) 11:34, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nation of Islam should be included in "See Also" following Black Supremacy as it is the same & a direct opposite group to Christian Identity sharing the same belief system/ structure. 82.71.230.181 (talk) 09:52, 20 November 2020 (UTC)Cd[reply]

Then if anything you're saying the Nation of Islam should be included in the "See Also" of the Black Supremacy page not this one? The opposite of Christian Identity would arguably be Black Identity or Black Supremacy? The see also section is not necessarily meant to include all major organizations adhering to the opposite ideology of a specific page. Would you include all of major political parties that promote democracy on a page about Royalism? Additionally, it should be noted that while in the past the Nation of Islam embraced Black Supremacy and the first incarnation of the organization's teachings inspired much if not most organized modern day Black Supremacists, the group that now calls itself the Nation of Islam as well as its comparatively Liberal direct successor organization-the American Society of Muslims both reject Black Supremacy. When the Nation of Islam was re-instituted in 1977, the new group kept many of the original incarnation's extreme beliefs, including several a reasonable person would find hard not to consider racist; but officially rejected Black Supremacy and continues to teach racial equality and acceptance.

"Its purpose is the maintenance and defense of a system of wealth, power, and privilege"

@Binksternet: Per Special:Diff/996929463, could you point me to the text in the body that this summarizes? I'm afraid I don't quite see it. The claims about purpose and wealth do not seem supported by the cited text in the body. [P]rivilege and power do seem supported. A sentence like:

White supremacy denotes a view favoring the maintenance and defense of white power and privilege.

would seem better supported by the sourced text in the article at present. Again, I don't doubt that "wealth" and "purpose" could be sourced, but I don't see them sourced at the moment. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 06:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't let me stop you from improving the summary, making it better reflect the article body. Binksternet (talk) 16:17, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Captain America vs alt-right/Nazis comment

I noticed the revised comment in the sentence about Captain America and Nazis in the 'effect of the media' section has been reverted back with a request to bring the talk discussion between myself and @Binksternet: about it onto this page. Therefore, I am doing so below:

I'm glad we managed to work together to sort things out on the BLM article, so I was hoping we'd be able to do likewise on the line in the White Supremacy article. In short, our dispute revolves around this line, "The comic book super hero Captain America was used for dog whistle politics by the alt-right in college campus recruitment in 2017, an ironic co-optation because Captain America had always battled against Nazis in the comics, and was created by Jewish cartoonists", and I just don't think using the term 'Nazis' when the first half of the sentence talks about "alt-right" promoting is accurate, since the alt right does not necessarily mean Nazi. In fact, neo-Nazis are said to be a minority in the alt-right groups https://www.usatoday.com/story/college/2016/11/23/the-difference-between-alt-right-and-neo-nazi-explained/37424923/. Plus, Captain America fights actual Nazis, whereas any Nazi ideology in the alt right spectrum would in fact be neo-Nazi, and that's not QUITE the same thing. And your added wording of "had ALWAYS battled Nazis" isnt quite accurate as he only fights against Nazis for a part of his comic run, not even a majority of it.

I thus propose the wording "The comic book super hero Captain America was used for dog whistle politics by the alt-right in college campus recruitment in 2017, an ironic co-optation because Captain America had been known to battle against far-right ideologies including white supremacists and Nazis in the comics, and was created by Jewish cartoonists." This most accurately addresses the comparison itself as well as the character's comics run.

What do you think? Davefelmer (talk) 19:25, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, that'll work. Thanks for keeping the word Nazis with regard to Captain America's opponents. Binksternet (talk) 19:28, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As you can see @Pengortm:, we found a suitable version between us on what to use, so your revertion back to one of our previously discussed wordings based on your personal preferences is flawed. As is your argument about the content being a misportrayal of the source, which says, "Captain America was created by writer Joe Simon and artist Jack Kirby—both of whom were Jewish—in 1941. In the superhero's first appearance, he can be seen punching Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in the face. Despite his overt anti-Nazi overtones, his origin story, which involves a physically weak man gaining superpowers after being injected with a super-soldier serum, has become a dog whistle for white supremacist ideology." Nowhere does it say that he "ALWAYS" fights Nazis at all, and considering the topic of this article and that white supremacists are not synonymous with Nazis, it doesn't make sense to have the phrasing as you've put it.
If @Binksternet: can confirm that he's still happy with the phrasing we agreed on, and if @Pengortm: has no further questions, I suggest that Pengortm please revert the version back to the agreed one unless you have any further questions. Otherwise I would be happy to do so. Davefelmer (talk) 14:54, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Davefelmer appears to be worried about the equation of white supremacists and Nazis, because the two are not exactly the same thing. But Professor Leslie Madsen-Brooks makes the connection explicit in the cited article from Idaho Statesman. Madsen-Brooks points out the irony of white supremacists adopting a superhero who fought Nazis, because white supremacists are considered the modern Nazis.
This trimming job by Pengortm correctly removes the unreferenced stuff about far-right ideologies and white supremacists, even though it inserts the word "always" which is not supported. I would fix the problem by removing "had always". Binksternet (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. Considering the above, I too would accept removing "had always". Davefelmer (talk) 22:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the collegial discussion and bringing this to the talk page. I also agree with removing "had always". I'll go do this momentarily. -Pengortm (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Captain America was born of Irish parents and was therefore an Irish-American. Erin go bragh!78.17.21.207 (talk) 22:42, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Human Genetic Branching" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Human Genetic Branching. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 18#Human Genetic Branching until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hog Farm Talk 04:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Black people think of white supremacy as including USA laws

Can it be included that black people view USA laws as central to white supremacy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.235.133.211 (talk) 18:45, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All we need is a reliable source. deisenbe (talk) 18:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should be "White supremacism" instead of "White supremacy"

Saying "[X] is White Supremacy" implies that [X] is an area where whites are superior. "White supremacism" only implies that there are people who believe in white supremacy in [x]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.155.131 (talk) 20:23, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why no mention of Donald Trump

I guess Donald Trump paid Wikipedia alot of moneey to remove his name from this article since he is a well known supporter of white supremacy

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