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Does Barnes & Noble count as a reliable source for which of Covington's books are bestsellers for them: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/%22H.%20A.%20Covington%22?Ntk=P_key_Contributor_List&Ns=P_Sales_Rank&Ntx=mode+matchall ?

Should the sentence be amended to cite a similar result at every major online bookseller that offers his books?

Can an experienced Wikipedian help with this?

What to do about editors who restore misinformation?

It is not true that Harold Covington ever operated a blog specifically devoted to Holocaust Denial. Whoever posted this claim relies on a source that does not even say it. Read the source carefully!

The "Ministry of Truth" blog is operated by somebody calling himself Winston Smith, but it was not Harold Covington. Metapedia indicates that the "Winston Smith" who operates Ministry of Truth also calls himself Black Rabbit of Inle. This is a well known participant in the CODOH forum who resides in the UK. This Winston Smith is definitely not Harold Covington.

Covington's blogs were well known: Down With Jugears.blogspot.com and NorthwestFront.org. Neither is specifically devoted to Holocaust Denial.

In fact, Covington used the pseudonym Winston Smith for his Resistance newsletter in the 1990s. I am very familiar with Covington and am not aware of any instance of his using Winston Smith online.

People who don't know anything about the subject, please stop editing!

Your Buddy Fred Lewis (talk) 07:38, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what your complaint is about. Are you splitting hairs by stating that the blog was not specifically about Holocaust denial (i.e. it included other topics), or are you saying that the Ministry of Truth blog was not ran/authored by Covington?

I am conducting an in depth study of Covington, so I have an academic interest in this question - and you present yourself as someone who knows the truth. Yes, I am very interest in what you might have to say Your Buddy Fred Lewis. I look forward to your clarification. 47.137.184.131 (talk) 05:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dylann Roof

The sentence indicating that Roof was influenced by Covington needs a source. What I remember from the manifesto is that he was critical of Covington's Northwest Front objectives. I will give 2 weeks for someone to provide a reference that Roof was "influenced" by Covington. After that I am correcting the record (with cites). Ramhorbronc (talk) 04:02, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ramhorbronc has been permanently blocked for sock puppetry and block evasion. - SummerPhD^v2.0 02:34, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

47.137.189.77/47.137.189.72 blocked for recurring sockpuppetry

This article is semi-protected based on the then fact that the subject was a living person. According to the article, this person is deceased. 47.137.185.72 (talk) 21:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, the page was not protected due to WP:BLP concerns, it was semi-protected due to sockpuppetry. This prevents unregistered and recently registered users from directly editing the article.

It looks like much of the problem was the typical white supremacist whitewashing: attempts to remove well-sourced labels in favor of the subject's preferred labels, burying Holocaust denial, attempts to remove ADL as a source, etc.

You are free to suggest changes. - SummerPhD^v2.0 22:17, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, perhaps the semi-protected tag should be modified to reflect the reasons you have stated above, because currently it is based upon WP:BLP. 47.137.185.72 (talk) 23:07, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, the request to the Wikimedia OTRS Team specifically cites violation of WP:BLM, not WP:Sockpuppet. 47.137.185.72 (talk) 23:13, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page was protected May 20, 2013 because of "Violations of the biographies of living persons policy: Outing and vandalism."[1]

The article was protected July 20, 2011 because of "Persistent sock puppetry."[2]

Someone who was or claimed to be the subject was blocked and filed the OTRS. They also socked a whole lot, tried to out various editors and made repeated legal threats after being repeatedly blocked for same. A couple of other editors dug up some pretty ugly dirt on Covington's legal and mental health history as well.

I don't know what the OTRS was, but the person claiming to be the subject wasn't happy about some of the content and wanted the article deleted. That's not how it works. If you are a notable public figure -- especially of your own making -- what comes out about you comes out about you. The press covers it. Wikipedia covers the coverage. At that point, whether you are a "white supremacist", a "white nationalist", a "neo-Nazi", a "racial realist", a "racialist" or just an ordinary, run-of-the-mill "racist bigot" is probably the least of your concerns. - SummerPhD^v2.0 01:56, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In any case, WP:BLP still applies - it can apply up to about 2 years after the subject dies. If I can sort out the OTRS issue I will. Doug Weller talk 10:27, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. WP:BLP being the cited semi-protection tag is my main issue. I know that the article subject (isn't that a terrible way to describe a deceased person, no matter what you might think of his work) is controversial. That in itself warrants some article protection. The terminology should be accurate. 47.137.185.72 (talk) 11:17, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The article was semi-protected due to sock puppetry, not BLP. The talk page was semi-protected but obviously isn't anymore. I'm inclined to unprotect the article and am discussing that with someone who can see the ticket. I should be able to but can't. Doug Weller talk 15:23, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

47.137.189.77/47.137.189.72 has been blocked for recurring sockpuppetry. - SummerPhD^v2.0 23:47, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]