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Request addition of new section

Edvarcl (talk) 09:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Altamel

I note your point on the importance of notability when it comes to Popular Culture sub-header. Thank you for the clarity ;p

Can I follow what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapitaSpring did by using this line "The building appeared "in the background" of the third season of the television show Westworld." instead of identifying the appearance as a cultural event. Edvarcl (talk) 04:49, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request addition of new section

In order to create a skyline with buildings that could be imagined as 3D printed [1] , Oasia Hotel Downtown Singapore was one of the buildings scouted and appeared [2] [3] [4] in season three of HBO’s Westworld_(season_3) alongside other notable Singaporean buildings such as Marina_One Residences and the National_Gallery_Singapore.

Besides local architecture, Singapore-based actor Bobby_Tonelli had a speaking role in the Westworld Singapore episodes. Edvarcl (talk) 05:54, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Edvarcl, and thanks for your suggestion. Although there is room for disagreement, I do not believe Oasia Hotel's appearance in Westworld was significant enough to merit a mention in the article. Considering the frequency with which well-known buildings in large cities make passing appearances in television shows, if Wikipedia were to mention every appearance of, for example, the Chrysler Building, the article would be overwhelmed. That's why the Chrysler Building's article only mentions significant appearances and cites an article that is about only the Chrysler Building's building's cameos. Because I'm not seeing the same depth of coverage for Oasia, I am declining this request. Best, Altamel (talk) 03:21, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Altamel (talk)

I understand your point. I was inspired by how other Singaporean buildings such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapitaSpring and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_One made the same Westworld reference in their Wikis.
Would it help if I reduce the verbiage for this section?
To your point on the Chrysler Building, New York is a popular location for US film/TV productions, so it is understandable the Chrysler Building has high cameo frequency.
Singapore, on the other hand, is rarely featured in US film/TV productions so it is notable when a Singaporean building has a cameo in a US film/TV production. The notability has been well articulated in the cited national and cultural media. Edvarcl (talk) 10:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Altamel (talk) Hi Altamel, please let me know. Thank you. Edvarcl (talk) 03:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Edvarcl. Sorry for not responding to you sooner. I have given further consideration to your points, but I'm still not convinced. The issue that none of the four sources you provided give any deep coverage of the role Oasia Hotel played in Westworld, other than merely mentioning the hotel's appearance and the fact that it did appear.
Architect's Newspaper does not mention Oasia at all. GeekCulture only mentions that Oasia appears and that it "blends in" with the CGI-generated buildings. Timeout is limited to mentioning Oasia's appearance and that it has three swimming pools. CNA only mentions the fact that Oasia appeared. None of these sources tells me anything about when Oasia appeared in Westworld, the role it played in the plot, why the filmmakers chose to feature Oasia instead of another Singapore building, or if there was any special characteristic of Oasia that was important for the episode. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the hotel. But the difference between a well-written "In popular culture" section and a poorly-written one is being able to explain the impact a cameo had on pop culture, more than just listing appearances in the media. I just can't add this to the article if I can't explain to readers why Oasia's cameo was significant.
The other Wikipedia articles you mentioned probably shouldn't mention Westworld either. I will be reverting the mentions.
I'm sure that you want this article to have the highest quality possible. Have you thought about how a pop culture section could affect future quality? The problem is, in my experience, once a pop culture section is posted, it tends to attract fans to post more and more passing mentions, and the page becomes harder for Wikipedia editors to maintain. If you strongly disagree with my assessment, you could seek a third opinion or start a request for comment. I hope this explanation is useful for you. Best, Altamel (talk) 16:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Reiner-Roth, Shane (2020-04-02). "Westworld's production designer drew from global architecture to realize 2058". The Architect's Newspaper. Retrieved 2021-02-26.
  2. ^ Frayna, Marion (2020-02-21). "Can You Name All The Singapore Locations In The Westworld Season 3 Trailer?". geekculture. Retrieved 2021-02-26.
  3. ^ Khalid, Cam (2020-04-05). "11 places in Singapore featured in Westworld Season 3". Timeout. Retrieved 2021-02-26.
  4. ^ Loh, GENEVIEVE SARAH (2019-07-11). "Why Singapore was chosen as a filming location for HBO's hit series Westworld". Channel News Asia. Retrieved 2021-02-26.
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