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What does this mean?

Postmodernism is a broad movement that developed in the mid-to-late 20th century across philosophy, the arts, architecture, and criticism, marking a departure from modernism. The term has been more generally applied to describe a historical era said to follow after modernity and the tendencies of this era.

This is incomprehensible to someone who doesn't speak in social-science language. What does this mean **exactly**? It's a philosophical term? It deals with architecture? It's "critical" of something (what, exactly is the "criticism"?). It's a whole "movement"? Who are the participants in this "movement"? What does this soup salad ultimately mean?

Please be **precise** when you define this.

This is one of the few encyclopedia articles that has left me more confused after reading it. Please re-work this so a simple engineer can understand it, given this term is used in common English vernacular now, every day (ie. - an accusation is leveraged against an individual, concept or lifestyle for being "postmodern", which IMHO, should probably be hyphenated).

When someone is accused of being postmodern, what exactly does it mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.138.6.121 (talk • contribs) 05:15, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I fear the incomprehensibility is the very core of this thing - it's a bag of wind camouflaged by verbal lace doilies. But the sentence you quoted just says it is a way of thinking which disagrees with another way of thinking called modernism. It's like describing an animal by saying "well, it's different from a horse." But you can't expect anybody to describe something like that in one sentence. The text after that has more details.

Postmodernism seems to be basically an instance of the adolescent attitude "I am smarter than those who came before me", and thus without much substance. The main property is described in one of the other sentences of the lead, in contrast to modernism, [..] which generally regards the promotion of objective truths as an ideal form of discourse. That means postmodernists don't care whether what they say is right or wrong, and therefore make no effort to check. See also Bullshit. When someone accuses you of postmodernism, this is what they mean.

Philosophy often suffers from being described like one huge undividable lump where, before you can understand one specific philosophy, you need to understand all older philosophies first. So, have fun with modernism. And everything before it. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That means postmodernists don't care whether what they say is right or wrong, and therefore make no effort to check.

That's an interesting definition, because that accusation has been leveraged against people who deny COVID-19, or certain scientific principals, for example, but I don't feel those individuals actually fit the definition of post-modernist (which seem to fall on the left of the political spectrum whereas the various deniers seem to fall to the right). This is a term, to me, that seem to describe something related to hipsterism or being "artsy". 139.138.6.121 (talk) 15:57, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did not say it is the definition of postmodernism. There are a lot of other impostors and bullshitters out there. At the moment I think of one windbag who certainly does not use "verbal lace doilies".

But all this does not contribute to improving the article, and therefore does not belong here. Sorry I went on that tangent. Can we please stop it? --Hob Gadling (talk) 17:27, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't mean to annoy -- honest. I just encounter this term used as a slur (more often than not), and I'm trying to understand it better. That's all. 139.138.6.121 (talk) 17:37, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]