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More negative opinions on the last season

There should be more than one short negative opinion on the ending since it is of significant importance for the evaluation of the whole show: During almost all episodes of Lost, the creators used a very cheap trick to keep their viewers hanging on: They just put up, in a fractal manner, more and more open questions, implying that all of these are going to get resolved at some point - which wasn't the case at all. As we all know, now, the writers didn't have the slightest clue at any point beyond season 1, where the story would go. And so the only thing they could do to prevent this huge bubble of unsolved mysteries to inevitably implode onto them - leaving nothing more than the revelation of utmost incompetence to write a coherent story - was by putting the ending plot in a purely religious environment in which nobody is allowed to get any questions answered, at all, by definition. I am convinced that this aspect should be given far more weight in order to present an accurate view on the this TV-series. --Felix Tritschler (talk) 20:51, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, the heavy thumb on the scales is pretty obvious here. Damon Lindelof is STILL defending himself in interviews about how the series ended, and yet you'd never know it by the article. The general consensus, as time as has passed, is that the series had a very disappointing conclusion, and many viewers (not all, but significant number including many, many critics) felt that the writers had essentially presented a "purgatory" scenario after explicitly denying that this was where the show was heading. This feeling was so strong that many fans have had negative feelings towards Lindelof's The Leftovers because they no longer trust him as a writer. Lindelof has defended himself against these feelings in interviews, and yet all this is left out of the article. (And I say all this as a huge fan of LOST and The Leftovers.). The critical view of the arc of the show is mostly missing, and that is a huge omission -- I would even venture to say that in the years since the show has ended, it's generally accepted that the plot arc of the show was a disappointment to most fans and critics (and if not "most," let's say "a significant portion."). Regardless of how editors personally feel, this is an important part of the factual story of how LOST played out in the culture. 104.162.126.140 (talk) 06:59, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Mythology of Lost

Mythology of Lost should be a section of the article Lost (TV series), as Mythology of Lost is just an expansion of the article Lost. Ethanlu121 (talk) 23:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ethanlu121: Disagree , the two subject have totally different bases: Mythology of Lost is an "about" opinion for Lost (TV series), whereas Lost (TV series) is a factual article about the TV series. ^∞😃 Target360YT 😃^∞ (talk · contribs) 16:09, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Subheadlines

Because this article is particularly extensive, I added subheadlines to the overview section as well as to the critical reception section, in order to facilitate browsing. --Gonzalogallard (talk) 18:14, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Episode Lists

A list of each episode from a season should be attached to the season along with any significant plot development from that episode in order to provide more context with the season descriptions. Giggleshack603 (talk) 00:54, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB user ratings

IMDB user ratings are not normally allowed. WP:UGC and MOS:TVRECEPTION both make it clear that audiences scores such as those from IMDB are user voted web polls and not reliable. The seem to have been included for quite a while (definitely back at least as far as January 2019.)

It is not clear if there was a discussion about this or a WP:LOCALCONSENUS to allow it or not (nothing like a hidden comment in the wiki source to suggest there was). Someone might argue that since these scores came from a secondary source, The Hollywood Reporter, then it is acceptable to use them.[1] If an exception is being made it should be more clearly indicated.

There is also the problem of WP:LEAD, these scores are included in the LEAD but the intro is supposed to summarize not supplant the contents of the article. The IMDB scores are not mentioned anywhere in the article body. If people want to bend the rules to include these IMDB scores then the Reception section should mention them, and the intro should only mention them if people believe it absolutely necessary to give them that much extra emphasis (which at the moment seems WP:UNDUE).

I would recommend against making any exceptions (if there wasn't an existing consensus) and suggested removing these IMDB scores entirely. Instead as the Project TV Guidelines recommend it would be better to use the TV ratings as the best way to show audience reaction to the series was positive. -- 109.78.194.120 (talk) 21:12, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fan reactions are generally acceptable if they're cited from a secondary reliable source, such as in this case; and The Hollywood Reporter is a top tier source, different story if it were just sourced from a blog or something. Other examples off the top of my head that talk about fan reactions include, Watchmen (TV series) which talks about its review bombing on Rotten Tomatoes, and Ozymandias (Breaking Bad) that covers its 10/10 IMDb score. I do agree though, the content should be moved out of the lede and possibly into the "Fandom and popular culture" subsection. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:28, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It stills the same issue: "these scores are included in the LEAD but the intro is supposed to summarize not supplant the contents of the article", what makes it so important to be mentioned in the lead section, but it is not mentioned later? (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So we're agreed it doesn't belong in the lead. I think it would be better not to include it all, but we can at least agree it should not be in the lead. I understand making an exception when there is a good reason such as an apparent split between critics and audiences, but I don't see a good reason in this case. It seems to be redundantly stating that a very popular show was very popular on IMDB. -- 109.78.194.120 (talk) 22:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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- i.e. replace it with nothing, delete/remove the sentence (and the reference to the Hollywood Reporter) from the intro entirely.

If other editors have suitable place to add it in the article body later that is a separate matter. I'd like to see WP:UGC and WP:TVRECEPTION applied consistently and the IMDB scores removed unless there is a clear consensus to make an exception. -- 109.79.73.154 (talk) 12:40, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:52, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and removed it myself.[2]

Don't know how I missed that the article was only partially protected and not locked, my mistake. Apologies and thanks for your time. -- 109.79.73.154 (talk) 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the profile picture

Hi everyone. I suggest to change the profile picture into the one of the title of the latest episode, because it suits better and the word "Lost" shows up much clearer. Could someone please do this? Thanks