User talk:Le Marteau

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Thewinrat (OS of this day: Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warhog) (talk) 00:46, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 2018

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Guy (Help!) 22:50, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Marteau's appeal

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Le Marteau (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am Marteau and am appealing my block for socking. It has been nine months since I was blockend, and during that time I have in no way edited Wikipedia. Why I am requesting this appeal using one of my sock accounts During a moment of frustration and in an attempt to enforce a Wikiretirement, prior to my being blocked for socking I removed the email address associated with my "sockmaster" account ("Marteau") and set the password to a random string. That was effective in locking me out of my "Marteau" account. It was obviously ineffective in enforcing a Wikiretirement, I love the project too much for that to happen any time soon. I am therefore unable to post my appeal to my sockmaster talk page as specified in WP:APPEAL. As specified in WP:APPEAL I therefore opened a UTRS ticket and entered my appeal there. UTRS is intended for accounts who are blocked from editing their talk page. Because I am not blocked but simply unable to edit my talk page, appealing using UTRS was deemed inappropriate. After some back and forth there, administrator @5 albert square set this account ("SaltySaltyTears") so that I could edit this talk page for 72 hours, and indicated that I could try appealing here. 5 albert square also asked that I explain to all why, hence this. Appeal Besides my bright-line violation of policy by socking, I am guilty of using a sock (this one; "SaltySaltyTears") to taunt @Volunteer Marek and @Guy. Besides that taunting, and besides my per se violation of policy by socking, never have I on any account or IP vandalized or used a sock to feign consensus, cast a !vote or otherwise damaged the project. Although I demonstrated my contempt for Guy and Marek and used a sock to do it, I revere the project and its content and treating it in any way but with the highest of respect would be contrary to all that I value. Remedy My block is due to my socking and my using one of those socks (this one) to taunt Guy and Marek. It is not due to my behavior in the article space per se. Should my editing privileges be restored, I would therefore object to any restrictions being placed which would inhibit my activity in the article space. My point is, my editing of articles was not why I am blocked. My editing of articles and talk pages as a sock was. That said, I do realize that I have sometimes become heated in my talk page discussions on political and ideological issues. My involvement on those talk pages is what preceded my taunting of Marek and Guy. Therefore, should I be granted edit privileges again, I propose the following restrictions: a lifetime ban on interacting with Guy and Volunteer Marek. To those, I will add two others I have found particularly challenging to my equanimity, namely SPECIFICO and Jytdog. In addition, for a year I am not to participate in talk page discussions on political articles or on articles involving people or things associated with the Intellectual Dark Web (including !votes) unless I am responding to a direct question from another editor to me, and then I will briefly answer the question without any unnecessary commentary and then disengage from the talk page. And I will, of course, edit only under one account.

Decline reason:

As you have indicated below that you wish for your appeal to be withdrawn, I am closing this as a procedural decline. I will also revoke TPA again for this account. If you wish to make future appeals, I would suggest that you lodge an appeal at WP:UTRS to get your TPA restored. 5 albert square (talk) 13:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

This sock account was blocked by Guy. However, the admin who blocked the sockmaster account needs to sign off on this, and that was Bbb23, so pinging @Bbb23: SaltySaltyTears (talk) 16:28, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very unusual unblock request. I somehow doubt that others would agree with you that your edits in article space were okay. You edited in one of the more controversial areas of the project. But I'm not an expert on your edits before socking. That said anyone who needs four interaction bans to edit successfully at Wikipedia shouldn't be editing Wikipedia at all. You may think it's big of you to offer up those bans, but administrators will have to enforce them and why should we do that just so a disruptive user can edit? You also appear to agree to other restrictions on your editing, making the conditions of any unblock that much more complicated and difficult to enforce. I would not consent to unblocking you.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:55, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So be it. Withdrawn. Peace out. - Marteau 01:21, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

restoring TPA per UTRS

Please see UTRS appeal #39563

I was blocked in June 2018 for using sock puppets to harass admin JzG (AKA "Guy") on talk pages. My "Sock Master" account was "Marteau" but I don't have the password and cannot access the email account for "Marteau" to reset the password. So I can never again use "Marteau" as an account. I have the password for one of my socks, "SaltySaltyTears" and want to use if for the appeal of my ban. I did appeal so on March 2019 and admin Bbb23 denied it. It has been two and a half years since I was banned for harassing Guy on talk pages using socks, and I would like to appeal now. Access to my talk page is blocked. I am requesting the ability to use my talk page to appeal my block. Thank you, Marteau, as "SaltySaltyTears" for the purposes of appealing my ban.

JzG seems unavailable. AmandaNP said O.K. as CU. 5 albert square said O.K. as a blocking admin. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 07:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Marteau's Appeal

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Le Marteau (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am editor 'Marteau' and I was blocked in June 2018 for editing using sock puppets, and for harassing two editors on talk pages using those sock puppets. I am unable to edit or appeal using my sock master account, 'Marteau', because in an attempt to enforce a Wikiretirement, I set the password and recovery email address to random strings, so I can never again use 'Marteau' as an account. I do have the password for this sock, 'SaltySaltyTears' and am using it only for the purposes of appealing my block.

I did use sock puppets to harass two editors, 'JzG' and 'VolunteerMarek', and also violated policy by using sock puppets to edit Wikipedia in general. However, beyond my harassing those two editors, I have never vandalized any article or talk page, nor have I ever used any sock puppet anywhere to feign consensus, to cast a !vote, or to otherwise 'game the system'.

I realize that what I did was not only in violation of policy, but also lead to interventions needing to be taken by administrators and check users. Admin time in general and check user time in particular is in short supply, and having added to their burden due to my actions is something I deeply regret. Should my editing privileges be restored, I will make it my top goal to follow policies and guidelines, edit using only one account, and should I become frustrated with other editors, I will deal with those frustrations in more acceptable ways.

- 'Marteau' appealing using my 'SaltySaltyTears' account for the purposes of this appeal. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 13:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Accept reason:

I have accepted this on the conditions below that you do not interact with JzG and VolunteerMarek. This will be registered with WP:IBAN and is indefinite. 5 albert square (talk) 22:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The decision is not mine to make, but unless I see someone objecting I support an unblock per WP:ROPE. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:49, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe unblock with WP:IBAN on JzG' and 'VolunteerMarek'. Maybe just a clear understanding of zero tolerance. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that could work Deepfriedokra. SaltySaltyTears would you be willing to be unblocked if we imposed an interaction ban on you interacting with JzG and VolunteerMarek?-- 5 albert square (talk) 22:07, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - @5 albert square: Yes, absolutely. It was my intention to not interact with them ever again, even without an interaction ban, but yes, absolutely. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - I see that you have been unblocked. Maybe I am wrong, but I have a good feeling about you and look forward to seeing many productive edits in the future. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:20, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - Thank you for the kind words! SaltySaltyTears (talk) 01:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rename

Per Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple#SaltySaltyTears → Le Marteau, SaltySaltyTears (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has requested a rename to Le Marteau (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I support allowing this change. SST, you need to follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:29, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your support! I'm just going to drop the issue, though. Perhaps in the future. But as I intend to limit my editing to fixing the random error I incidentally come across, I'll just retain this cringe-worthy name. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 01:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Would you like me to put in the name change request in your name? --Guy Macon (talk) 03:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Guy Macon:Well, if you're offering assistance, I'm accepting! Thank you : ) SaltySaltyTears (talk) 12:56, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have been trying to figure out how to do this, and I keep getting a "All requests must be made while logged in to the account that will be renamed" error, :(

All you have to do is go to Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations, click on the page edit button, and paste the following at the bottom of the page.

{{subst:usurp|Le Marteau|reason=Lost password to account "Marteau".}}

I am watching that page, and when I see your post I will add a comment saying that I support the usurpation. Probably not needed but just to be safe. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:50, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, again, for following up, and for your support. This, though, took the proverbial wind out of my sails: "Please do not request usurpation of another account if your own user account is less than several months old, or barely used." So I am again compelled to explain myself and make my case. Which is fine... I certainly do deserve such a fate, and the process is justified, and I've no one to blame but myself. It's just that I'm not into Wikilawyering ATM. Soon, though. Just not today. In the meantime, I'll do the ol' signature razzle-dazzle and sign this as Marteau (talk) 15:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

February 2021

Hello, I'm Maylingoed. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Giuoco Piano have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. Maylingoed (talk) 22:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Maylingoed: My edit[1] was good, and reverted vandalism. You have restored the vandal's edit. Please review. Marteau (talk) 22:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maylingoed, what the heck are you talking about? Marteau's edit was entirely correct. Did you accidentally notify the wrong editor? Giuoco Piano (Italian for "quiet game") is the name of the chess opening. Gucci is a fashion brand founded by Guccio Gucci in Florence in 1921. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

F.P.

First, thank you for fixing my overbroad deletion to the lede. You are, of course, right. I was careless. I have self-administered a trout-slap. Second, thank you for accepting my undueness edit, for now. As the story progresses, I suspect the topic my loom larger and may merit inclusion in the lede. Happily, there's no deadline. Third, I started a thread on the talk page, right after the story first surfaced. As it progresses, this may prove useful. Cheers. David in DC (talk) 18:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 2021

Hello, I'm Pupsterlove02. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Grant Williams (basketball)—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thanks. Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 20:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pupsterlove02: My edit was good. You restored vandalism. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Carol Jarecki Death

Since you have asked for a source, I provided a Source for her death.

Up, above and Over! 14:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

A late notification

Hi SaltySaltyTears, it's been a while since the short multi-user edit war in the article COVID-19, but I'm currently making sure that as many editors as possible are formally "aware" of WP:COVIDDS.

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in and edits about COVID-19. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

You probably know about this already anyway. Feel free to remove this message after reading.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 09:17, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § Shibbolethink

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § Shibbolethink. Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 22:57, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DRASTIC RfC

FYI, typically the custom in a situation like this would be to use Template:Strikethrough. Of course you are welcome to do whatever you think is best, I just wanted to give you a head's up of what I would do if I were you. Thanks for your input. --Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 20:30, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As no one had replied to or mentioned my !vote elsewhere, simply removing it did not seem improper to me. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 20:56, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Ali

If deleting all flagicons in one record to create consistency is inappropriate, go out and add them all back to Larry Holmes' record and every other record affected by opponents with disputed or unknown nationalities. There's already no consistency in boxing records, so why even try to have any resemblance of it, right?CaPslOcksBroKEn (talk) 22:49, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@CaPslOcksBroKEn: It's a messy world and insisting everything be consistent, even when there is an exception or an unusual occurrence, is a recipe for madness. As you are a sports fan, I am sure you are familiar with the practice of putting an asterisk next to entries in records books which are special cases. I suggest we do something similar for the boxer in question, as a footnote. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 22:53, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This sort of consistency is not too much too ask for as I am and have been dedicated. I want every fighter to have ages next to them, however, not all fighter's ages are known. Flags are unnecessary and asking for one record to be consistent within itself is not madness as many others do this.CaPslOcksBroKEn (talk) 23:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We obviously have different senses of aesthetics and how information should be presented, and I am sure we're never going to agree on this issue. I think the best we can do is await the opinion of others, and work off consensus.SaltySaltyTears (talk) 23:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And not including ages, because some fighters ages are not known, is again something I do not at all agree with. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 23:11, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I add ages to every record I create in which the age is known.CaPslOcksBroKEn (talk) 00:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget that able sighted people aren't the only people on the planet. Consistency of ease of view is important. Flag icons alone can make it very difficult for the visually impaired to view careers so just imagine how hard it would be for someone to view a record where we "inappropriately" make a record a viewing mess with some fighters having flags and others not.CaPslOcksBroKEn (talk) 21:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As I said before, I think it's perfectly clear we are not going to come to agreement on this issue, and that the logical course of action would be to wait for consensus. You seem to be highly invested in this issue... perhaps you should start an RfC. But anyway, for example, some people have verifiable birthdates, and some don't, that does not mean we remove the birthdates from everyone else in the name of 'consistency'. We work around them, understanding that there will be special cases, an that those can be handled, perhaps with a footnote. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 21:47, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I don't agree with your scenario about how a missing flag is going to throw off a visually impaired viewer, and even if it were an issue, it can be worked around with a footnote. But if that is the objection, perhaps put a blank image the size of a flag where the flag is supposed to be, with some "alt text" (MOS:ALT) briefly describing the issue. My point is, the world is an inconsistent place, and sometimes, representing our inconsistent world requires some exception handling in it's presentation in the encyclopedia. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 22:05, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

User: 108.18.178.27 Burger cites the a Roman law which homosexuality a capital crime in his examples of moral teaching which he used to uphold the law. Technically, he does not say he approves of this, but it would be absurd to cite a law which you do not approve of in this context. I assumed this did not require sourcing because I had already cited the concurrence (which is what this came from) in the concurrence. I thought it was worthwhile to Falwell and Rushdoony to show how mainstream his views were, although I understand that you might believe this to be irrelevant on its face. Rushdoony's views can be found with a simple google search. Falwell was a leading figure in the conservative movement- If he had said anything like this, other sources would have noted it. None do (n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell_Sr. , n.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell). With regards to the issue of separate section, I think it is noteworthy that as late as the 1980's, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, one of the most powerful men on the country, believed that gays should be killed. Again, I understand where you were coming from though.

@108.18.178.27: Inserting a comparison between Falwell and Rushdoony, and Burger without citing a source, is WP:SYNTHESIS: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources.. We can't just go making comparisons and drawing conclusions on our own... it is up to a reliable source to do so, then we can include them in the encyclopedia.

You say, regarding his allegedly supporting executing homosexuals, "Technically, he does not say he approves of this, but it would be absurd to cite a law which you do not approve of in this context." Again, you are drawing conclusions unsupported by sources. It is not unto us to draw conclusions.

I am not saying you are wrong in your conclusions, per se. I am also not opposed to having a separate section for his views on homosexuality. But your edits had so many issues that they warranted being removed entirely, and not massaged into compliance with Wikipedia policies and guidelines by me or others. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 13:36, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will concede your point about the unsupported comparison, but I am not drawing a conclusion here. Burger writes in his concurrence "As the Court notes, ante, at 192, the proscriptions against sodomy have very "ancient roots." Decisions of individuals relating to homosexual conduct have been subject to state intervention throughout the history of Western civilization. Condemnation of those practices is firmly rooted in Judeao-Christian moral and ethical standards.

Homosexual sodomy was a capital crime under Roman law. See Code Theod. 9.7.6; Code Just. 9.9.31. See also D. Bailey, Homosexuality and the Western Christian Tradition 70-81 (1975). During the English Reformation when powers of the ecclesiastical courts were transferred to the King's Courts, the first English statute criminalizing sodomy was passed. 25 Hen. VIII, ch. 6. Blackstone described "the infamous crime against nature" as an offense of "deeper malignity" than rape, a heinous act "the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature," and "a crime not fit to be named." 4 W. Blackstone, Commentaries *215. The common law of England, including its prohibition of sodomy, became the received law of Georgia and the other Colonies. In 1816 the Georgia Legislature passed the statute at issue here, and that statute has been continuously in force in one form or another since that time. To hold that the act of homosexual sodomy is somehow protected as a fundamental right would be to cast aside millennia of moral teaching." In other words, Burger is citing a law which makes homosexuality a capital crime as an example of "Moral teaching". It is self-evident that he must agree with something in order to use it as a justification for a decision. You are probably correct that I should have cited it better, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.176.243 (talk) 15:20, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@108.18.178.27:A person has to pick their fights in this world, and in the interest of my own equanimity, I am removing the Burger article from my watch list. The guy nauseates me almost as much as he obviously does you and I don't want him or his views in my head any more. So any edits you make to that page will be left to other editors to ensure compliance and/or offer guidance or advice. All the best, SaltySaltyTears (talk) 15:29, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SIngle Purpose Account

Hello. You recently tagged an IP editor (173.87.170.14) in an RfC at Talk:Loudoun_County_Public_Schools. This user seems to be participating in the discussion with the sole purpose of being disruptive. He personally attacked another contributor, in an RfC comment that has been redacted by user:Primefac. He restored that comment, and made a second one where he declaring that the discussion should be closed. I warned him of disruptive behavior, but then he started accusing me of being disruptive. All of his edits are recent, and mostly made on that talk page, but he seems to be familiar with site terminology and wikipedia policies that he keeps invoking. I don't want to wrongfully accuse anyone, but this could be a sockpuppet. I figured I should bring it to your attention before engaging with them any further. 46.97.170.79 (talk) 10:50, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Metric

Just noticed your edit(s) at The Pentagon. If it helps, the US Military uses DMY dates per WP:MILFORMAT. Also, the military has quite extensively been using the metric system, with a few exceptions, for over 100 years now, to match up with their NATO pals. You can find supporting info here: Metrication in the United States#Military. (I could've sworn there was a MOS:x or WP:y P&G for that as well, but dunno where it might be at the moment (really tired). Anyway, hope you find this useful. G'nite - wolf 07:55, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Thewolfchild: Thanks for the info... I will keep it in mind in my Wikignoming. I have to admit, I'm kind of a crotchety old man when it comes to traditional American weights and measures, which means I'll follow policy and guidelines to the letter when it comes to that, except when the source uses otherwise. But in this case, the Pentagon's website itself publishes the dimensions of the Pentagon in feet and acres, e.g. [2]. To confirm they measured "Roof" in feet, I had to use the Wayback Machine, though. Although the point could be made that the source is intended for presentation to ticket buying civilians, so if the Wikipedia practice is to use metrics for military buildings, I will defer to that. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 09:22, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, fortunately we have conversion templates, so we can (and often do) use both systems. If a page is already established with say... imperial, but it's an organization that uses metric, doesn't mean we need to re-do the entire page in metric, we can just continue using imperial, and add in metric as we go along, using the template to display both values. That's my understanding, anyway (ymmv). I'm sure the pentagon page is just fine the way you left it. Cheers - wolf 13:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Levy Rozman

The information was directly from his LinkedIn account. Please put back the information on the page, thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.10.240.41 (talk) 01:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I removed your edit because it was unsourced, which it was, and I said as much in my edit summary. You said nothing about it being sourced in any way until now, and you chastising me for following Wikipedia policy by removing unsourced edits from biographies is ludicrous. SaltySaltyTears (talk) 02:36, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

KirkLover69

I wanted to ask you to stop removing my contributions. I know it looks like tomfoolery but it is indeed fact. I can confirm that the students there do refer to him as those nicknames and I felt it should be added to the page when I saw him mentioned in the article. There was no other information on him in the article just his name in the beginning.