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Political Advertisement

This page looks like a paid political advertisement. I think it is word for word for his fundraising homepage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.177.207.70 (talk) 05:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is seriously lacking citations. The article reads like it was written by a staffer, friend, relative, or Mr. Mandel himself. I have added a tags for references, and for the article to be written in an encyclopedic tone. I have also toned down, some, but not all of the purple prose.THD3 (talk) 17:42, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Someone from Josh Mandel's campaign repeatedly combs through this page and deletes anything factually negative about Mandel. This campaign is using wikipedia as its personal propaganda page.

How many warnings can we stick on this page regarding its neutrality? There need to be as many weasel-wording alerts as possible here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.142.229 (talk) 15:48, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]


This is self-interested puffery. It should be removed. Donnezmoi

Divestment from Iran

This seems dubious. First, American investments in Iran have been illegal since 1979. Second, this is controlled from a Federal, not a State level. Third, I can find no record than Mandel's bill actually passed.THD3 (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct that American investments in Iran have been illegal, but companies based in other countries don't necessarily have to adhere to that restriction, and the state treasury can still invest in overseas companies even if they've invested in Iran or other countries. The countries mentioned in the entry are not American companies, and thus are not subject to the US ban on investment in Iran. Defiance19 (talk) 17:56, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stubbing

Unless there's a very good reason not to, I plan to reduce this article to a stub so it can be rewritten. In current form, it's a puff piece verging on a campaign ad. --SSBohio 23:05, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that someone spent their Thanksgiving holidays creating a new account Single-purpose_account and adding nasty and poorly referenced material to this and several other Ohio politician pages. I would second SSB motion to reduce this article to a stub and allow it to be rewritten by grownups.~~sandflea (talk) 21:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. If the recent edits do not have solid sources, they can be reverted. SSB's suggestion to reduce the article to a stub was because the entire article appeared to have been written by someone with an interest in promoting Mr. Mandel. The article now has a better balance of material, although it remains far from perfect. Just because the article has unflattering information on the subject does not justify its reduction to a stub. Wikipeda is not censored.THD3 (talk) 21:23, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Who is talking about censoring Wikipedia? My suggestion is that the article should be started from scratch because now you have a puff piece mashed together with a hit piece. The article looks like it has been hacked together and the cited articles in some instances don't agree with the text they are associated with. I doubt anything added to this article has been added by an unbiased contributor. In this situation, I believe that it would be easier to start from the beginning rather than from biased material.~~sandflea (talk) 21:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree completely with THD3. It's not balanced at all, in fact, virtually everything on Mr. Mandel's issue positions and career beyond Lyndhurst City Councilman is essentially a hit piece, highlighting every possible negative in his record. In fact, it's not even a well sourced hit piece. The entire section on gay rights mentions the Ohio Democratic Party's disapproval, but the source for this is a letter to the editor. Nothing linked to the legislation (for anyone to do their own research and draw their own conclusions on), nothing linked to any statement from ODP or the other organization, just a letter to the editor from an angry constituent. I'm with SSB and Sandflea, stub this thing, start over from scratch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Defiance19 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy-paste

The vast majority of this article appears to be a copy-paste from Mandel's bio on the Ohio House of Representatives website. Brian Powell (talk) 22:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Birth/Age??

One basic piece of information missing from this page is Mandel's date of birth, or even his age. I sincerely hope that his campaign is not withholding this information on purpose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.29.153.73 (talk) 23:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


I added his date of birth september 27 1977, however i have no actual source from this. His birthday is listed on his facebook page and the year is from an article that lists him as 32 years old in august (thus making him now 33) Tjm58 (talk) 16:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Made up "fact"

This page has been carefully guarded and used as political propaganda for well over a year. The latest made up "fact" is the claim that Mandel defeated incumbent Kevin Boyce's bid for "reelection" in November. Since Kevin Boyce was not elected Treasurer in 2006--Richard Cordray was--and Boyce only became Treasurer upon appointment by Gov. Ted Strickland in 2009, after Cordray was elected and inaugurated as Attorney General, it is quite impossible that Boyce sought REelection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.56.35.193 (talk) 01:29, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]


That is actually a contentious argument in political science circles, however many would agree "REELECTION" would be the appropriate term as the person would be elected to the office they already hold, Merriam-Webster's dictionary defines reelection as the process of electing someone for an additional term in office, so under that definition it would be a reelection. --Tjm58 (talk) 02:43, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:21, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Josh Mandel (politician) → Josh Mandel – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC) Primary topic. Game designer: 168, Politician: 3593. Relisted. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 22:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC) Marcus Qwertyus 00:29, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not enough. Of course more people will be looking up politicians as they announce runs for federal office. We are not a newspaper. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Agree with PMAnderson that the page views could have been influenced by recentism. However, a google news archive search shows that the politician has been receiving media coverage since the mid-2000s, whereas it is difficult to find a mention of the game designer at all. I think that even before his recent campaign, the politician was the primary topic. Also, please note that if this RM is successful, then the dab page can be deleted and a hatnote added to the politician's article (per WP:TWODABS). Jenks24 (talk) 02:47, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:Primary topic. - Darwinek (talk) 15:45, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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NPOV Check

It's been noted above that in the past it seems portions of this page become very similar to that of a paid political advertisement. A quick look makes me see some portions that violate NPOV rules. Some specifics: Under the 'energy' header: 'Mandel favors responsible energy exploration that protects "the air we breathe and water we drink" while reducing environmental regulation.' Under the 'state treasurer' header: 'During Mandel's time as treasurer, Ohio has earned the highest possible rating from Standard & Poor’s for the state's $4 billion government investment fund, and the highest possible rating from Fitch for the state’s short-term General Obligation bonds.[28] On March 19, 2012, Mandel severed contracts with two major banks that handled $41 billion in Ohio pension investments, amid government investigations into whether the banks overcharged clients for currency trading accusing them of “systematically exploiting public pension funds and taxpayers.”[29]' Bnszero (talk) 01:16, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Politifact

Please take a look at the article for Politifact and then do a Google search on them. Politifact has a deep-and-wide reputation for sloppy work and left-wing bias. It is most definitely not a reliable source for anything except its own opinions. We can still use Politifact as a source given that what they say is often quite notable and topical, but we should not be presenting their opinions as facts. Organthief1949 (talk) 11:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Politifact is a project of the Tampa Bay Times and should be treated like work from any other major newspaper. Arbor8 (talk) 16:10, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, we're not "presenting their opinions as facts". We're presenting them as opinions attributed to Politifact. MastCell Talk 18:28, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Wearing out shoes" anecdote source

The statement about Mandel "knocking on 19,679 doors and wearing out three pairs of shoes" piqued my interest for 2 reasons: it was tagged as not included in the source that had been cited for it, and it's exactly the sort of catchy line that often gets copied without proper sourcing. Not surprisingly in this election season, I found a number of news sites (as well as political-talk sites) quoting it without any attribution or even marking it as a quote, including the oldest reference I found (2008, from KTRH News Radio) in my quick search of books and news sites. I strongly suspect that KTRH merely incorporated it in their posted "tweet" after getting from elsewhere – it seems unlikely that they'd be the originator rather than the subject himself – so I cited a Mandel campaign website first. (The KTRH page at least gives us an earlier date than recent news write-ups.) It'd be nice if we could track down an actual original source (even better if it's Wikipedia-reliable), but that at least gives us a start on its origin. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:37, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cronyism

Is there any truth to the claims of cronyism being made by his political opponents (e.g., appointment of close friends having no financial experience to key positions overseeing finance)? If so, are these notable enough to be listed in a controversies section? TricksterWolf (talk) 11:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2021

It’s right 2600:1700:C84:D40:C0CB:8B16:E4:A28B (talk) 03:29, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 07:04, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2021

Josh Mandel has 3 children, not 13. His headline says 13. The article and sources are 3. 24.140.133.149 (talk) 20:48, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Looks like it was part of a number of vandalizing edits and was missed in the revert, have fixed it Cannolis (talk) 20:55, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2021

Change This :

In late September 2021 Mandel tweeted, in response to an unverified claim about a Nazi flag being raised in a Palestinian town, that he believed Palestinians were not a real people with legitimate land claims and that they hated all Christians, Jews, and Americans.[1]

To This :

In late September 2021 Mandel tweeted, in response to a a Nazi flag being raised in a Palestinian town, that he believed Palestinians were not a real people with legitimate land claims and that they hated all Christians, Jews, and Americans.[2]

He is a source : there are tens more online, this is not an "unverified claim", this is fact tat happens very often and this particular instance has multiple articles and video evidence proving it happened. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/nazi-flag-taken-down-by-idf-soldiers-in-hebron-680311 67.80.30.60 (talk) 02:19, 17 November 2021 (UTC) 67.80.30.60 (talk) 02:19, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done: I just removed it entirely, as it was sourced to a tweet and contained WP:SYNTH. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:02, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2021 (2)

change In late September 2021 Mandel tweeted, in response to an unverified claim about a Nazi flag being raised in a Palestinian town, that he believed Palestinians were not a real people with legitimate land claims and that they hated all Christians, Jews, and Americans.[97] to change In late September 2021 Mandel tweeted, in response to a Nazi flag being raised in a Palestinian town, that he believed Palestinians were not a real people with legitimate land claims and that they hated all Christians, Jews, and Americans.[97]

sources https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/nazi-flag-taken-down-by-idf-soldiers-in-hebron-680311 https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinians-fly-nazi-flag-near-hebron-idf-soldiers-shoot-it-down/ https://themedialine.org/mideast-daily-news/palestinians-raise-nazi-flag-with-swastika-near-hebron-soldiers-shoot-it-down/ https://jewishjournal.com/news/united-states/340892/palestinians-fly-nazi-flag-in-west-bank-village/ 67.80.30.60 (talk) 02:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC) 67.80.30.60 (talk) 02:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Far right

The far right is associated with neo nazis, neo fascists, racial supremacists, and extremism. Mandel shouldn't be labeled as such just for being a conservative/Republican. 2600:1700:C760:1C50:60B9:B601:71B8:F33E (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is sourced. The way to get it changed is to demonstrate that the majority of high quality sources don't refer to him as far right. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:38, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2021

Can we remove "Far right" politician for Josh Mandel (in the intro). This is as subjective as those that call Sen. Bernie Sanders "Far Left" 50.5.190.111 (talk) 07:05, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Mandel, Josh (2021-09-26). "twitter post".
  2. ^ Mandel, Josh (2021-09-26). "twitter post".
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