Template:Did you know nominations/Christine Haidegger

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The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 13:58, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Christine Haidegger

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Christine Haidegger in 2012

... that Christine Haidegger (pictured) wrote a novel about her post-war childhood in Austria that was translated into English as Mama Dear? Source: several
- Reviewed: ~~to come~~

Created by Grimes2 (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:16, 8 December 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image eligibility:

Freely licensed:
Used in article:
Clear at 100px: - n

QPQ: Done.

Overall: if you can reduce copypasted info, it will be better. Edit: Sorry! I forgot it. Leomk0403 (Don't shout here, Shout here!) 08:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but you are wrong, - articles that only appeared in the Recent deaths section are eligible, and articles that are expanded five times during the last 7 days the same. - Thank you for the review, - I fixed some formatting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

re-reviewed. PS: @Gerda Arendt: could you tell me when expansion began? Leomk0403 (Don't shout here, Shout here!) 09:07, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Do you know how to read an article history? There's also a DYK check tool, which will tell you without you having to calculate. If you intend to review more than once, I recommend you install it, it will save you much headache. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Boland. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Can you tell me who did it? Not headachey, but just wanted to know. ( actually it is to calculate as the DYKcheack tool is taking too long.) Leomk0403 (Don't shout here, Shout here!) 11:51, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Back to the question if you can read article history? I told you in the nom that Grimes2 and I did it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Leomk0403! I can see you're relatively new to reviewing DYKs, so I wanted to let you know that it's better not to modify your original review, and just signal when you've changed your mind as the review goes along—it makes it easier for me to track what happened where. Thanks! gerda, what war? and don't lots of books and memoirs get translated into english? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 07:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

The alternative would be to have the title in brackets, but I don't like that too much, and also it's not really a translation of the German. What I want to say is that she suffered that kind of childhood, and wrote about it, and it was noticed, and translated with a cute endearing title (instead of something bitter). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha.

** ALT0a: ... that Christine Haidegger's novel Mama Dear details her childhood in post-World War II Austria?

** ALT0b: ~~... that Mama Dear details Christine Haidegger's childhood in post-World War II Austria?~~ I suggested two slightly punchier hooks to that end. Assuming you're talking about WWII, could that be specified in the article? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 08:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Sure, but - given her life data, what else? Also: does it matter by which war a childhood is troubled? In all short ones I miss the image, but probably she has no chance? I wouldn't want to start with a no-link title which could be anything (a song, a poem, an image ...), - would "novel" be too long? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: yeah, I added in "novel". As for the war, i'd reckon it's the same thing as putting "Oregon" into Larry Smyth's hook—we don't want to assume that people will know which war we're talking about from the hook (and we generally don't condone asking our readers to think critically in any meaningful way, as that decreases reader retention :D it's a lovely operation we run here) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 07:22, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I clarified in the article which war. For the hook, I think this doesn't matter even, could be any war traumatizing a girl, and she stays above it and writes Mama dear. The yellow would be a good illustration, and a pic would say better that thousand words which period. Will now work on card 3, about an author for whom we sadly have no image (and a white man), line "read and remember" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

next idea: how about a piped link to World War II? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: no go on the pipe, it'd be WP:EGG. and yes, any war could traumatize someone, but World War II is, y'know, the war. It seems worth the disambig. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 22:04, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

... and here I thought we should be short and punchy, and WWII sort of default ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

... probably my lack of English, but "post-World War II Austria" is not something I'd write - "Austria after World War II"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

we should be short and punchy, but WWII is important context in the way that the name of every author of every book isn't. Keep in mind that this hook gives no indication of when Haidegger lived; there's no way to know from the hook that this wasn't, say, the Napoleonic Wars in the early 1800s. I don't think that's an unnecessary distinction. "post-World War II" is, I believe, proper grammar; see Post–World War II anti-fascism. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 22:22, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

We're stuck. SL93, any chance you could weigh in? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 22:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

If you show the image it can't be mistaken for Napoleonic wars, - and back to the beginning: it doesn't matter which war, - to me at least. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't see why the war can't be added. I suggest bringing this to the DYK talk page. SL93 (talk) 23:06, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

The war can be attached, but I don't see how it helps, - it's about a writer, not a specific war. You could approve tlc's hook, no? I don't like the construction "Post–World War II", but who cares. I wouldn't want to change someone else's hook. I suggested how it might work better for me, but don't want to fight about this little thing, with FAC problems, a deletion proposal, a DYK nom due, and no NY resolutions worded, and reviews I really want to do waiting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I will approve ALT0a and I will let the promotor choose to change the end of it to "Austria after World War II" if they like that wording better. While it isn't about a war, it may make people who are interested in World War II topics read the article. SL93 (talk) 04:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Promoting ALT0a to Prep 7, with the image and "post-World War II Austria". – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 13:58, 10 January 2022 (UTC)