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Given the emphasis about this being originally an English, and not a British company, I remarked on the flag as I went by it, as the Union Jack was not in use in 1670; so this cannot have been the flag.

- on the file's description is original version says "as originally used in the 1800s", then on updates that was changed to "as originally used in 1682"..... This is indeed the best-known HBC flag, but not the original one; either a re-captioning is called for, and an amendment to the image's description page, or the original-original one be found. Would it have just the St George's Cross or ??Skookum1 (talk) 03:54, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On the file's talkpage an IP user commented on this in 2010, about the flag shown including the St. Patrick saltire.Skookum1 (talk) 04:01, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Two more flags should be uploaded, one with the Act of Union Jack (Eng+Sco) and another with St. George (if that's sourcable) -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 04:30, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A version of the HBC flag with the pre-1801 Union Jack now exists on Wikipedia. So that would only leave the Saint George's Cross version to be created, if it's credible of course. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 18:30, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Poor choice of language or are regional idioms now fully acceptable?

"France had gotten the short end of the stick."

Is this an appropriate turn of phrase for an encyclopedia entry? Furthermore, the meaning of this phrase (mainly but not exclusively, American) may not be obvious to non-native-English speakers.

The Wikipedia article on The Treaty of Utrecht makes no similar value judgement that France was discriminated against but simply states that France was required to cede various claims and territories.

Would it not be better to write that France was required to make concessions to Great Britain rather than "gotten the short end of the stick"?

88.207.211.233 (talk) 20:59, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. --Joshua Issac (talk) 12:50, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 18-JAN-2018

Requesting correction/clarification of some details on the HBC page. Requested edits numbered and noted below in bold, with sources cross-referenced at the bottom.

Hudson's Bay Company From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Hudson's Bay Company (HBC; French: Compagnie de la Baie d'Hudson) (1) [7]
☒NNo actionable request There are no spelling errors here.

is a Canadian retail business group. A fur trading business for much of its existence, HBC now owns and operates retail stores in Canada, the United States and parts of Europe, including Belgium, The Netherlands, and Germany. The company's namesake business division is Hudson's Bay, commonly referred to as The Bay (La Baie in French), and other divisions include Galeria Kaufhof, Gilt, Home Outfitters, Lord & Taylor, Saks Fifth Avenue (2) and Saks OFF 5TH.

  • Comment: Unreferenced


HBC's head office was in the Simpson Tower in Toronto, but it is now located northwest of Toronto in Brampton, Ontario.[8]
☒NNo actionable request This information does not conflict with what is already present in the article.

The company is listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange under the symbol "HBC"....

HBC directly oversees its Canadian (3) banners

  • Comment: The company standards for internally-used nomenclature are not used by Wikipedia.

Hudson's Bay (formerly The Bay) and Home Outfitters, in addition to the operations of Lord & Taylor in the United States.

On 29 July 2013, the HBC announced its (4) acquisition

  • Comment: Kindly provide references which state that these terms are not equivalent

of Saks, Inc., operator of the Saks Fifth Avenue brand.

In September 2015, HBC acquired the German department store chain Galeria Kaufhof and its Belgian subsidiary from Metro Group for (5) CA $3.9 billion.[15][16] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.85.105.7 (talk) 18:33, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In May 2016, HBC announced it would expand to the Netherlands by taking over up to 20 former Vroom & Dreesmann sites by 2017. V&D was a historic Dutch department store chain that went bankrupt and shut down in early 2016. HBC said the (6)investment would be CA$340 million and create 2,500 jobs in the stores and another 2,500 temporary construction jobs. The Dutch stores would operate under the "Hudson's Bay" and (7) "Saks OFF 5TH" brands.[18]

On 16 July 2008, the company was sold to NRDC Equity Partners, a private equity firm based in Purchase, New York which already owned Lord & Taylor, the oldest (8) department store chain in the United States.[11][69]The Canadian and U.S. holdings were transferred to NRDC Equity Partners' holding company, Hudson's Bay Trading Company, as of the fall of 2008.[citation needed]

On 24 January 2012, the Financial Post reported that Richard Baker (owner of NDRC and governor of Hudson's Bay Company) had dissolved Hudson's Bay Trading Company and that HBC would now also operate the Lord & Taylor chain. (9) Baker remained governor and CEO of the business and Donald Watros stayed on as chief operating officer.[12]

The company also has retail operations in Europe, including (10) 10 Hudson’s Bay stores in the Netherlands and five Saks OFF 5TH stores in Germany as well as the 100 stores of the Galeria Kaufhof department store chain in Germany.[88]

Operations HBC is diversified into joint ventures and other types of business products. HBC has credit card, mortgage, and personal insurance branches. These other products and services are joint partnerships with other corporations. HBC also has other HBC Rewards corporate partners(11) . Points can also be converted to Air Miles.

HBC is involved in community and charity activities. The HBC Rewards Community Program raises funds for community causes. The HBC Foundation is a charity (12) involved in social issues and service.

  • Comment: It is unclear from the text above what is to be either added or deleted. To expedite your request, kindly specify whether the information above is to be either added or removed, including the location of the information.


Request Edit – Sources and Background

(1) Hudson’s Bay Company is the parent corporation. The store, Hudson’s Bay, is commonly referred to as The Bay (Source: thebay.com)

(2) Correcting spelling (Source: hbc.com)

(3) Subsidiaries are specific type of business structure. This is not a true description for HBC stores. They are called “banners”.

(4) Source: http://investor.hbc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=780766

(5) Source : http://investor.hbc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=934427

(6) Important distinction to note that the investment came from HBC and landlords. Source: http://investor.hbc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=971214

(7) Correcting spelling

(8) Source : hbc.com

(9) Bonnie Brooks was president of Hudson’s Bay, the store, not HBC or any other of its banners.

(10) Source: http://www3.hbc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2016-CSR-Report_FINAL_ENG_RED.pdf

(11) Source: http://www.hbc.com/hbcrewards/

(12) Source: http://www3.hbc.com/hbc/socialresponsibility/hbc-foundation-2/

199.85.105.7 (talk) 17:59, 18 January 2018 (UTC)January 18, 2018[reply]

no Declined Please see individual comments above for more information about your request. Please advise as to the missing required elements and/or missing instructions for the proposals at your earliest convenience. Regards, Spintendo ᔦᔭ 20:03, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'll add that because the company calls itself "The Bay" doesn't mean that it's the store's WP:COMMONNAME, but it is commonly called that, so I suppose we could add that in the lede. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:49, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Request Edits

Thank you for your quick reply to my request. Please see below for additional clarification on the requested changes. I hope this is helpful:

(1) FIRST PARAGRAPH: Please move the phrase "commonly referred to as The Bay (La Baie in French)" so it follows "... namesake business division is Hudson's Bay". It should read: The Hudson's Bay Company (HBC; French: Compagnie de la Baie d'Hudson), [7] is a Canadian retail business group. A fur trading business for much of its existence, HBC now owns and operates retail stores in Canada, the United States and parts of Europe, including Belgium, The Netherlands, and Germany. The company's namesake business division is Hudson's Bay, commonly referred to as The Bay (La Baie in French),
 Done per comments above. My thanks to Walter Görlitz for their help w/ this request. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 12:35, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

and other divisions include Galeria Kaufhof, Gilt, Home Outfitters, Lord & Taylor, and Saks Fifth Avenue (2) and Saks OFF 5TH.

(HBC is the parent company. Hudson's Bay, the store, is what is commonly known as "The Bay")

(2) FIRST PARAGRAPH: Please add "Saks OFF 5TH" to the list of other divisions so it reads: The company's namesake business division is Hudson's Bay, commonly referred to as The Bay (La Baie in French), and other divisions include Galeria Kaufhof, Gilt, Home Outfitters, Lord & Taylor, Saks Fifth Avenue and Saks OFF 5TH. (Source: http://investor.hbc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=780766)

(3) FOURTH PARAGRAPH: Please correct the cost cited to CA $3.9 billion so it reads: In September 2015, HBC acquired the German department store chain Galeria Kaufhof and its Belgian subsidiary from Metro Group for CA $3.9 billion.[15][16] (Source: http://investor.hbc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=934427)

(4) FIFTH PARAGRAPH: The sentence that reads: "HBC said the expansion would cost CA$340 million and create 2,500 jobs in the stores and another 2,500 temporary construction jobs." requires clarification. It should read: HBC said the expansion is expected to result in the creation of over 2,500 store jobs, 2,500 construction jobs and 300 million Euros in capital investments, the majority of which will be funded through landlord incentives. (Source: http://investor.hbc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=971214)

(5) FIFTH PARAGRAPH: Please change Saks Off Fifth to Saks OFF 5TH in the following sentence: The Dutch stores would operate under the "Hudson's Bay" and "Saks OFF 5TH" brands.[18] (Source: http://investor.hbc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=971214)

(6) Under the heading "21st Century", THIRD PARAGRAPH: Please remove the word "luxury" ahead of "department store chain" so it reads: On 16 July 2008, the company was sold to NRDC Equity Partners, a private equity firm based in Purchase, New York which already owned Lord & Taylor, the oldest (8) department store chain in the United States.[11][69]

(7) Under the heading "21st Century", FIFTH PARAGRAPH: Please remove the line that reads: "At the time, the company was run by President Bonnie Brooks.[74]" (9) Bonnie Brooks was president of Hudson’s Bay, the store, not HBC or any other of its banners.

(8) Under the heading "21st Century", 11TH PARAGRAPH: Please replace first sentence with the following -- it has the store counts corrected: The company also has retail operations in Europe, including 10 Hudson’s Bay stores in the Netherlands and five Saks OFF 5TH stores in Germany as well as the 100 stores of the Galeria Kaufhof department store chain in Germany.[88] (Source: Source: http://www3.hbc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2016-CSR-Report_FINAL_ENG_RED.pdf)

(9) Under the heading "Operations", first paragraph: Remove the list of HBC Rewards partners so it reads: HBC also has other HBC Rewards corporate partners; HBC Rewards points can be redeemed in house or into corporate partners' gift cards and certificates. (The list stated is out of date. Source: http://www.hbc.com/hbcrewards/)

(10) Under the heading "Operations", second paragraph: Please remove the word "agency" so it reads: The HBC Foundation is a charity involved in social issues and service. (Source: http://www3.hbc.com/hbc/socialresponsibility/hbc-foundation-2/)

Again, many thanks! 199.85.105.7 (talk) 22:03, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - Please find WP:SECONDARY sources to support the statements and the referenced statements will not be removed even if you provide secondary references. For the record, Wikipedia is not an extension of the company's marketing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again for your quick reply in making the change above, and also for your feedback. Understood that this is not HBC's written work -- we are only looking to provide updated information and correct inaccuracies in the entry.

199.85.105.7 (talk) 14:37, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

--- Below please find third-party attributions requested for the above-noted corrections:

(1) FIRST PARAGRAPH: Please add "Saks OFF 5TH" to the list of other divisions: “… other divisions include Galeria Kaufhof, Gilt, Home Outfitters, Lord & Taylor, Saks Fifth Avenue and Saks OFF 5TH.” (Source: http://investor.hbc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=780766)

Third-party attribution:

Globe & Mail: HBC snaps up Saks for $2.9-billion, plans Canadian rollout https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/hbc-close-to-sealing-deal-to-buy-saks/article13475918/

Bloomberg: Hudson’s Bay to Buy Luxury Retailer Saks for $2.4 Billion https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-07-29/hudson-s-bay-to-acquire-saks-for-2-9-billion-including-debt

Reuters: Hudson's Bay CEO bets big on department stores with Saks buy https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hudsonsbay-saks/hudsons-bay-ceo-bets-big-on-department-stores-with-saks-buy-idUSBRE96S0DV20130729

(2) FOURTH PARAGRAPH: Correct cost of acquisition is CA $3.9 billion: In September 2015, HBC acquired the German department store chain Galeria Kaufhof and its Belgian subsidiary from Metro Group for CA $3.9 billion.[15][16] (Source: http://investor.hbc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=934427)

Third-party attribution:

CTV News: HBC acquires German department store chain Galeria Kaufhof for $3.9B https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/hbc-acquires-german-department-store-chain-galeria-kaufhof-for-3-9b-1.2422652

CBC: HBC to acquire Galeria Kaufhof department stores http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hbc-to-acquire-galeria-kaufhof-department-stores-1.3113336

Globe and Mail: Hudson’s Bay in $3.9-billion deal to buy German department store chain https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/hudsons-bay-set-to-buy-german-department-store-chain/article24953459/

Global News: Hudson’s Bay buys Germany’s Galeria Kaufhof chain in $3.9 billion deal https://globalnews.ca/news/2054390/hudsons-bay-buys-germanys-galeria-kaufhof-chain-in-3-9-billion-deal/

(3) FIFTH PARAGRAPH: The sentence that reads: "HBC said the expansion would cost CA$340 million and create 2,500 jobs in the stores and another 2,500 temporary construction jobs." requires clarification: the majority of capital investments were funded through landlord incentives. (Source: http://investor.hbc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=971214)

Third-party attribution:

Financial Post: Hudson’s Bay Company to open up to 20 new stores in the Netherlands, creating thousands of jobs http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/hudsons-bay-company-to-open-up-to-20-new-stores-in-the-netherlands-creating-thousands-of-jobs

Financial Times: Hudson’s Bay Company launches Netherlands push https://www.ft.com/content/4618d5c4-1c0d-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122

Toronto Star: Hudson's Bay plans 17 stores in Netherlands https://www.thestar.com/business/2016/05/17/hudsons-bay-company-opening-stores-in-netherlands.html

(4) Under the heading "21st Century", FIFTH PARAGRAPH: "At the time, the company was run by President Bonnie Brooks.[74]" Requires clarification: Bonnie Brooks was president & CEO of Hudson’s Bay, the store, not HBC or any other of its banners: (9)

Third-Party attribution:

Financial Post: Hudson's Bay Co. completes purchase of Lord & Taylor: report http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/hudsons-bay-co-completes-purchase-of-lord-taylor-report

Maclean’s: Bonnie of The Bay http://www.macleans.ca/economy/business/bonnie-of-the-bay/

Toronto Star: The Bay sews up rights to U.K. fashion stores Topshop and Topman https://www.thestar.com/business/2011/03/09/the_bay_sews_up_rights_to_uk_fashion_stores_topshop_and_topman.html

(5) Under the heading "21st Century", 11TH PARAGRAPH: Please update store counts: 10 Hudson’s Bay stores in the Netherlands, 100 Galeria Kaufhof in Germany. Source: http://www3.hbc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2016-CSR-Report_FINAL_ENG_RED.pdf)

Third-party attribution:

CBC: Hudson's Bay steps outside Canada with its flagship brand in the Netherlands http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hudson-s-bay-netherlands-storch-1.4274713

Reuters: Hudson's Bay to open first Dutch store, commits to Europe https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKCN1BF1PK-OCATP

Dutch News: Hudson’s Bay to open 10 shops in the Netherlands in September http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/09/hudsons-bay-to-open-10-shops-in-the-netherlands-in-september/

Handelsblatt: Kaufhof at Heart of HBC's European Expansion https://global.handelsblatt.com/companies/kaufhof-at-heart-of-hbcs-european-expansion-520791

(6) Under the heading "Operations", first paragraph: The list of HBC Rewards partners is out of date. A current list can be found here: http://www.hbc.com/hbcrewards/)

Many thanks! 199.85.105.7 (talk) 21:38, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article issues

This article is a delisted Good Article. I didn't look at the history but the "Shortening the lead section" above concerns a bloated lead that is still "bloated". With 14 projects of interest it seems strange this has been allowed. The "External links" section is extremely bloated as well and the "See also" section appears to suffer from this and in need of trimming. Tags will likely result in a further demotion so if someone can look into this it would be appreciated. Otr500 (talk) 06:47, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Projects" don't work. Once the banner has been put on the talk page, that's the last interest most "projects" ever show in an article, in my limited experience of 0.1% of Wikipedia articles. --Wtshymanski (talk) 02:38, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Changes to lead and 21st century section

Hello. I am Alexandra, and I am requesting the following edits to move some content from the Introduction into the 21st century section, as well as add new content with sources, also to the 21st century section.

  1. Please move the following two sentences from the Introduction and place them as a second paragraph in the 21st century section. The sentences are more appropriate as part of the body of the article and not the type of information found in the Introduction:
    • "It had been a member of the International Association of Department Stores from 2001 to 2005."
    • "The company's namesake business division is Hudson's Bay, commonly referred to as The Bay (La Baie in French)."
  2. Please move the following sentence, with a minor edit, from the Intro to the beginning of the second paragraph (the paragraph that begins with "On 26 January 2006, the HBC's board...") in the 21st century section. It is also better placed in the body of the article than in the Introduction. It is clear from the context that the company is no longer Canadian owned so we can also remove the second half of that sentence: "In 2006, an American businessman, Jerry Zucker, bought HBC for US$1.1 billion." [1]
  3. In the third paragraph of the 21st century section, after the words "On 16 July 2008, the company was sold" please add the phrase "for slightly higher than US$1.1 billion [2] "
  4. Add the following to the end of the fourth paragraph in the 21st century section: "In March 2020, Baker and a group of shareholders were successful in taking the company private.[3] "

References

  1. ^ "HBC sold to new U.S. owner". CBC News. 16 July 2008.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  2. ^ Wong, Tony (2008-07-17). "The Bay sold to U.S. retailer". The Toronto Star.
  3. ^ Shecter, Barbara (2020-02-27). "Baker's HBC privatization bid approved after plenty of 'noise and aggravation'". Financial Post.

Thank you very much for all your help, Alexandra for HBC (talk) 17:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alexandra for HBC, I will take a look at these and get back to you about what is possible.MaskedSinger (talk) 10:57, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi MaskedSinger. Thanks, that would be great. Alexandra for HBC (talk) 21:00, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Partly done: Hi. Went out on a limb and implemented some of this, hope it's OK, MaskedSinger. I find The second sentence ("La Baie", etc) us relevant for the lede. Furthermore, I tweaked your second request, as the share price was unreferenced anyway, but I believe my edits should satisfy the theme of the request. PK650 (talk) 07:38, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PK650 Thanks for doing this! It's more than ok. Life took over (ie COVID) and I didn't get around to this. Please feel free to take this over while I admire your handiwork. It's a privilege to meet you and I hope we cross paths again :) MaskedSinger (talk) 16:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
MaskedSinger, you're too kind! Hope to see you around PK650 (talk) 06:59, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi PK650. Thanks so much for implementing my edit request. I also have an outstanding edit request on Talk:Richard A. Baker (businessman), who is the CEO of Hudson's Bay. Any help you can render over there would be much appreciated. Thanks again. Alexandra for HBC (talk) 13:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to the Intro section

Hi. This is Alexandra and I have a few more edits I would like to have made to the Introduction. I am calling on PK650 who has been helpful on this page in the past.

  1. In the first paragraph, please change "for much of its existence" to "in its early years." This is more specific and less subjective.
  2. In the sixth paragraph, which begins "In 2008" please change the third sentence from "HBC's head office is currently located in Brampton, Ontario," to " HBC's headquarters are located in Toronto, New York[1] and Brampton, Ontario."
  3. Please add the following phrase to the end of the next (last) sentence in the Intro: " until Baker and a group of shareholders took the company private.[2] "
  4. Please add the following two paragraphs to the end of the Intro section:
HBC is now the majority owner of ecommerce companies Saks[3] and Saks Off 5th,[4] both established as separate operating companies in 2021.[4][5] HBC also wholly owns SFA, the entity that operates Saks Fifth Avenue's physical locations;[6] O5, the operating company for Saks Off 5th stores;[7] The Bay, an ecommerce marketplace and Hudson’s Bay, the operating company for Hudson’s Bay’s brick-and-mortar stores.[7][8]
HBC also owns or controls, either entirely or with joint venture partners, approximately 40 million square feet of gross leasable real estate[9] through its real estate and investment arm, HBC Properties and Investments, established in October 2020.[10][11]

References

  1. ^ "About HBC". hbc.com.
  2. ^ Shecter, Barbara (27 February 2020). "Baker's HBC privatization bid approved after plenty of 'noise and aggravation'". Financial Post.
  3. ^ Bain, Marc (5 March 2021). "Saks is turning its back on department stores". Quartz.
  4. ^ a b Clark, Evan (21 June 2021). "Saks Off 5th Splits E-commerce and Retail". WWD.
  5. ^ Jackson, Adam (21 June 2021). "Saks Off 5th Will Become $1 Billion Standalone Online Business". Bloomberg.
  6. ^ Thomas, Lauren (5 March 2021). "Saks Fifth Avenue owner spins e-commerce site into separate business". CNBC.
  7. ^ a b Howland, Daphne (22 June 2021). "With $200M from private equity, Saks Off 5th online will go it alone". RetailDive.
  8. ^ "Hudson's Bay splitting stores from online marketplace to create two businesses". CTV News. 12 August 2021.
  9. ^ "HBC Introduces Development Division To Optimize Real Estate". PYMNTS.com. 21 October 2020.
  10. ^ Patterson, Craig (20 October 2020). "Hudson's Bay Company Announces Division to Redevelop Real Estate Assets". Retail Insider.
  11. ^ Chan, Kenneth (21 October 2020). "Hudson's Bay launches new real estate division to redevelop its stores". Daily Hive.

Thanks so much for your help. Alexandra for HBC (talk) 15:39, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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