Avatar: The Last Airbender/Archive 7 is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on February 21, 2007.
Thanks to eveyone who made the FA possible. I know it has been 1 and a half months, but we did it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Placebo Effect (talk • contribs)
Lol, yeah. It actually is pretty hard to tell. Who's going to put it for the main page now? Do we have a summary decided? -Dylan051303:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
It's like this heavy burden has been lifted. All the stress this page and it's attachments have caused... is only going to get worse. Damn. CURSE YOU VANDALS. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)06:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Lol, the vandals aren't the stressful ones for me. *cough* Yeah, this should be easier now... Oh, and Pooldude has the name for episode 3 in season 3, XD. But he's doing another guessing game... -Dylan051313:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
This ok for the main page? I just took out The Legend of Aang in several countries.
Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation. The series is written in the form of a book series, with each episode being a "chapter" and each individual season a "book."
Originally slated to begin airing November of 2004, Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show receives high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended 6-to-11-year-old demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics,[1] garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing.[2](More...)
This article has recently been promoted to featured article status. It is a very interesting article for one of the more popular articles on Wikipedia. No specific date is requested. Dylan051313:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
A little longer, maybe using the next paragraph too. I would wait to nominate it though until we know when season 3 starts and try to get it up around then. The Placebo Effect13:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I made it longer. Wait, do we want refs in there or no? I agree that we should have it up for season 3. Maybe the premier date. If so we should nominate it when we know a date. -Dylan051313:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
wait, what is everyone happy about. What did we complete?
We are discussing about changing it because people might like it as the map of the story instead of a picture that says Avatar the Last Airbender —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zach111493 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC).
I've said so many times it's late April or early may for season 3! And the main image doesn't look that great really small. -Dylan051319:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd use Aang's portrait for the image. The picture for Avatar on the main page should be the Avatar himself, which is far more interesting than the logo. I agree that the map is too small in thumbnail. --Herald Alberich21:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I am back! I cannot believe it actually won the nomination (even though it was pretty likely). Anyway, as for the min page, I agree with Aang's portrait as the picture. However, references should not be included. In addition, the text should not just be a copy of the first paragraph or two. We should tweak it a bit to make it sound better for the main page. A minor edit I want to mention is that the first time the show is mentioned, it has to be a link, not just bolded, but that is minor. I cannot believe that a month ago I was nominating this article for Featured Article status and now we are talking about putting it on the main page! Parent5446(Murder me for my actions)21:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay. I changed the layout a little. How would this look:
Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Originally slated to begin airing in November of 2004, Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show has received high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended 6-to-11-year-old demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing. The series' initial success prompted Nickelodeon to order a second season shortly afterwards, and a third season has been announced for 2007. Merchandise based on the series includes six DVD sets of the show's episodes, six-inch (15.34 cm) scale action figures, a video game, stuffed animals distributed by Paramount Parks, and two Lego sets.
Looks good to me. Now do we put it up ASAP, or try to get it on the date of the season 3 premier. Or maybe on February 21st for it's 2nd anniversary of the premier... -Dylan051322:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I like the February 21 idea. If we wait to nominate it until we find out when the Season 3 premier is, it might be too late to get it in on that date. --Herald Alberich23:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
2 things to fix on the summary you have. "long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends" to "long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends, Katara and Sokka" would probably we better. Also "garnering 4.4 million viewers on one of its best-rated showings." to "garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing." The season finale had the best ratings. -Dylan051301:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
It shouldn't be too late, they'll tell use a month in advance and articles aren't chosen that far ahead. I would like to wait until season 3 starts like they did for Lost. The Placebo Effect01:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
If you look at the list for the month, they are only have the next three articles set up. If we request the date as soon as it comes, then we will almost certinly get to have that date. If we get it on the day of the episode then it will remind people to watch it as they see in the article that the third season starts the day they are reading it. The Placebo Effect01:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
First for the 4.4 million thing: yeah, it should say best rated, that's detailed in the source cited. As for the date: I don't mind either way, really. The only possible problem I see with waiting is, its hard to say if we'll have a solid date (as opposed to timeframe) for the premiere far enough ahead of time to get the date. They normally do it farther than it is now, I think. Feb 21 would be good, but I've got no strong opinions either way. Heck, do it on my birthday, that'd be a neat present (kidding).--Fyre2387(talk • contribs)01:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, we'll at least get a date two weeks ahead from TvGuide and Nick. Oh, but if we put it up for the premier, would it be the day before to raise hype or the day after when most people look? I think it's 8:00 EST when it changes so it works out perfectly. -Dylan051301:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
(unindenting) You would do it the day of. For the East Coast, it is still the 15th when the 16th starts. Just trust me, it works out in my head. The Placebo Effect02:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
You know, the "they" who handle the featured articles is one guy, User:Raul654. Why don't we just ask him whether requesting the article two weeks ahead of time is soon enough? Oh, and I made the requested changes to the proposal above. --Herald Alberich04:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
This was just posted in the article nominations and I took it off:¶
Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends, Katara and Sokka, in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Originally slated to begin airing in November of 2004, Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show has received high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended 6-to-11-year-old demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best rated showing, the second season finale. The series' initial success prompted Nickelodeon to order a second season shortly afterwards, and a third season has been announced for 2007. Merchandise based on the series includes six DVD sets of the show's episodes, six-inch (15.34 cm) scale action figures, a video game, stuffed animals distributed by Paramount Parks, and two Lego sets.¶
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This article is a very interesting article. It just attained featured article status and meets the standards to be on the front page. A picture of the main character is perfect for the front page and the description is easy to follow. Anybody who sees this article is bound to be interested. 71.247.38.11902:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)¶
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I think it's not better than the last one. The only thing we have to do is tweak the last one some more and decide on a date. -Dylan051303:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, I seriously missed a lot of stuff while at work. Anyway, I never really liked that image of Aang, is there any way we could blow up the opening title somehow, or atleast get a new picture for Aang before the time comes (considering we might be getting a new one for Katara and Toph as well). Also as per the date, I say it doesn't matter. The Fed 21st is a neat idea. I would NOT include this to go up on the day of the new episode, the reason being is that, well, you all remember the crap that happened with the Finale aired. Do we really want all the people coming here from the front page to see a page that is getting a revert every minute? H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)07:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Sometime before the new season starts would be good for this to be on the main page, because do we really want Manticore to go "z0mg WP:OWN!" on us because we're just removing the bull from the articl? (I'm so going to be attacked.) By the way, this page needs an archive. --Whydoit (Why...do it?)08:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
So the 21st it is? I'll be on a look out for a better picture in my itunes. The logo not being there would be great. -Dylan051311:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I still believe that the best date is on the premire of season three. The page would still be vandalized on that day anyway, so combining both days into one measn one less day to worry about vandalisim. And if I remember right, it was vandalized more after the episode not before. And I beleive the logo is proboubly the best image to show. It as least better than the picture of Aang. The Placebo Effect13:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Lol, I'll take the vandals on my own! XD, popups rock. For the dates, The premier date would help the show, but it's probably not until May. February, 21st is sooner, but not much other significance other than the 2 year anniversary. Oh, BTW, I'll see if I can get pooldude to tell his contact that when it'll be on the main page so people at avatar can see! =) For the picture, the logo or Aang? Lrt's try to come to a consensus. -Dylan051320:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I do Agree, although the trailer for the next season should be released soon so that way we can fix up some things ahead of time. The date for season 3 seems very likely. Well done. -User:AvatarDude360
Dylan and I mentioned it on Pooldude's site to see what other fans opinions are about this. I still hold strong to my belief that we should wait till the season three premiere. The Placebo Effect03:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
(unindenting) I meant as a basis to see what other people think. Clearly their is no way to reach a consensus on this. It is on one day or the other. The Placebo Effect05:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Omg, the poll is even. Has it been liked to yet? [1] I think pooldude just said he's hearing fall as the new time frame for season 3 so we'll have to see. If that's the case, I'm sure we can get Zuko up by then and have it featured on the premier and just have the main article on the anniversary. -Dylan051311:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Pooldude says Nick may hold off on avatar season 3 until the fall so it doesn't interrupt their summer programing. If this is the case we can probably have Zuko up by then. So once we get confirmation, the 21st looks to be the date. -Dylan051321:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
It looks like we have a date. The poll at Donbufeng and the possibility of a fall season 3 premier date strongly point at February 21st. -Dylan051321:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I would advise for you to please stop deleting my comments. It dissapoints me that u guys cant handle an arguement or atleast a conversation. Spring is the correct date. But its not an exact one. -User:AvatarDude360
Looks to me like your comments keep getting deleted because we have no idea what you're talking about. You keep quoting unspecified interviews and opinions from random people on YouTube and such to back up your claim for the start of Season 3, but we can't trust those sources. Give us a link to a reliable source. Also, the true point of this discussion is to decide what date to request the article be featured on the Main Page. Opinion, as well as the lack of a firm date for the release of Season 3, points to February 21, the second anneversary of the series premiere. For what it's worth, I understand that you mean well and are trying to help, but we just can't give any weight to unverified claims. --Herald Alberich22:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I understand and thank you. I am just giving possible dates to its premier from sources that i looked up. Upbasis isnt enouph either. But march 2, febuary 21, fall, i mean which one is right? I am just desperate to know the truth of it all.-User:AvatarDude360
Just to be clear, February 21 is not one of the possible dates for the Season 3 premiere. It is the anneversary of the series premiere - The Boy in the Iceberg first aired February 21, 2005, which is why we want the article on the main page on that date. Also, to prevent HagermanBot from adding that unsigned notice to all your posts, add four tildes (~~~~) to the end of your message to sign it. --Herald Alberich23:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, seriously guys. Let's get this show on the road. Questions to answer:
1) Is February 21st our date? I think it is our best option. Back by poll results at donbufeng and an uncertain season 3 premier date.
Yeah, I don't know what happened. It doesn't really matter anymore, if season 3 is in the fall, we can get Zuko featured by then. -Dylan051301:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
2) What is our picture for the wikipedia main page: Aang, the logo, the one I just got of Aang with his back to the screen, or something else. I think our best choice is the one of Aang with is back to the screen for now. But I think we can do better.
Out of those three images, I'd go with the logo. The shot of Aang's back just...doesn't look good. At all. New people will look at that and go "What the heck?" The logo may not be as flashy, but it pertains better to the article. I keep thinking the ideal image would be a stylish, dramatic shot of Aang, but from the front. And not the one where he's got his goofy grin, either. For now, the logo looks like the best option to me. Y BCZ06:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Good point about identification. No one would know what the new pic was. I guess the logo is our best choice for now, but again, I don't think any of them are that great. -Dylan051313:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
3) Any more improvements on the summary? I think it is too detailed mentioning "originally slated to begin airing in November of 2004" and "six-inch (15.34 cm) scale." They should be taken out.
Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Originally slated to begin airing in November of 2004, Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show has received high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended 6-to-11-year-old demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing. The series' initial success prompted Nickelodeon to order a second season shortly afterwards, and a third season has been announced for 2007. Merchandise based on the series includes six DVD sets of the show's episodes, six-inch (15.34 cm) scale action figures, a video game, stuffed animals distributed by Paramount Parks, and two Lego sets.
6-11 was Avatar's original age demographic. It has increased greatly since the first season and has countless fans outside the demographic. -Dylan051302:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
2nd one's definitely closer up, XD. After struggling with this and watching the same scene on itunes for half an hour, all the details are pretty apparent. -Dylan051301:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Lol, so is this better than what we have now? Or may another image be better than this? -Dylan0513
It's good, but I don't know where it would be used. Would it replace the picture with the Avatar logo thing on it? It might fit well on Aang's page somewhere. Maybe. Bagpipeturtle02:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Man I don't know what I'm suggesting, I just hate that current picture of Aang. I also think that if we are trying to get the characters up to FA as well, we shouldn't put any one character as part of the main page picture. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)02:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, for the main page, ok. I don't think the current article picture is that great either so is changing the main page and the article still in the discussion? -Dylan051302:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, that makes more sense. I kind of like the logo as the main picture, but I suppose it would look good with that one too. Bagpipeturtle03:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
That certainly works better than the logo in thumbnail, for the Main Page synopsis. I think they'd work equally well at the top of the article. --Herald Alberich04:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, so as Fyre has said, if we want one of these pics to be on the wiki main page when it's avatar's turn, then we need it to be in the article and it seems the main image is the only place. So do we change it for both or neither? -Dylan051321:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Kuzon
The creators mentioned that Kuzon, Aang's old friend from the Fire Nation, was going to play an important role in the future. It is possible that he is the person that will teach Aang firebending. - Robert25
Yes, that is (slightly) possible. But we can't really put that in any articles unless it accually happens. And Kuzon would be, like, really old. As old as Bumi (and we all know how insane he is). As I said before, speculation until proven otherwise. Bagpipeturtle03:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't know where that's coming from, but from the little video thing which I'm assuming we're both sourcing from they stated that he'd briefly be mentioned at most (like in the midst of a conversation). I'd really like to know where all this important role stuff is coming from, or if its just another "Who will Aang's firebending teacher" thing. ~71.163.208.92 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Roku told Jeong Jeong that he will teach Aang so its most likely that he will teach Aang firebending. -Iroh18
Italic textwheve only seen 3 but in the north west corner of the world theres air nation plus the northern air temple is in the north earth kingdom's mountain range so the eastern air temple is s.e. of BA SING SE. all info from seasons 1 and part of 2 thanks for reading
"oh and tylee is part air nomad!"
What??? Tylee is Fire Nation. As for the temples, the map shows four: one near the South Pole (where Aang found Gyatso), one near Ba Sing Se (where Aang met Guru Pathik), one near the North Pole (where The Mechanist and Teo live), and one near the Fire Nation which the creators said would be seen, where female Air Nomads were trained). Kochdude38820:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
theres definitely four. north and south are boys and east and west are girls. does it say otherwise in the article? --skuj
But what would we put in it? Everything we know about the movie is already in the main article. "On January 8, 2007, Paramount Pictures' MTV Films and Nick Movies announced that it has signed on M. Night Shyamalan to write, direct and produce a trilogy of live action films based on the series" is the entirety of meaningful text we could include, with maybe a mention about the naming controversy. And that's another mess; with both Paramount and Fox having movies named Avatar, we don't even know what to call the movie page yet. Certainly it will get an article eventually, but I think we need more info first. --Herald Alberich19:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. We should make an article only when we have some real content for it. For now, the section on this article is all the treatment it needs.--Fyre2387(talk • contribs)21:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Adding Avatar Relationships?
Should we add "ships" to the article? like say "the most common relationships are aang and katara (kataang), zuko and katara(zutara), etc..." i'm sure some people would like to read about that. (i'm personally obsessed with it lol)
Eskimopie13103:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)proud zutarian
No, no, no, no, no, and no. Not only would that almost all have to be original research, but it's speculation and very objective. Wikipedia is not the place for that kind of thing. Y BCZ03:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the only time we can add "ships" is for cannon couples in the characters pages under relationships, like Sokka and Suki. -Dylan051311:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, I would say you can only add a relationship if there is an explicit reliable source for it. For example, if there's a TV Guide or Nickelodeon magazine article on Avatar that mentions the various romances, then adding the content would be quite acceptable. Or something fairly overt, like Nick setting up a "Zukolovesmomo.com" website. You may also wish to look at shipping or Slash fiction for examples. In general though, considering how this subject seems to interest you, perhaps you might wish to try an Avatar fansite instead? Mister.Manticore16:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, most of the fanbase believes in Zuko and Katara because many people know that fire and water balance each other out, it's a yinyang deal. In fact, if you ask someone what balances water, they would say fire. Oh yeah remember what that fat guy said about the visions in the swamp The visions in the swamp were of "People they loved, People they lost." and Aang saw Toph. I smell a new romance between those two. Also, I wrote to Mike and Bryan about what they wrote in that episode to remind them. Another thing water and air don't mix.
Wikipedia is not a fan site, we don't put things in to make fans happy.
We CERTAINLY don't put in Zutara crap because the show has never once even put out that idea.
Everything you wrote is speculation and therefore it does not belong in Wikipedia at all.
You wrote to Mike and Bryan? Really? Because we've been trying to get their e-mails for months now. I'd like to know how you got their e-mails when our digging for almost a year hasn't delivered anything.
Lol, and elements have everything to do with it.. yesh. And if you want proof from the creators, when asked about Zutara in some segment thing they directed it towards Momo and Appa. Oh, and people, can we please discuss the avatar for article of the day above. -Dylan051320:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Long story short, if you can find an article in a newspaper or on a website that isn't fan submitted, then you can add it to the article. The Placebo Effect20:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Why should I tell you? I'm not a Kataang fan, and you would probably tell them to make it be Kataang. I'm not saying a goddamn word about it. Down with Kataang! Long live Stalin and Zutara — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.176.109.182 (talk) 20:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Avatar Escape
Hmmm... what should we do with this? It's worth mentioning but definitely not worth its own page... especially not like that. At best, I think this warrants a phrase in the Media page. Definitely not a whole sentence. Sage of Ice07:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, there's quite a bit more to it, [Press Release]. And yet, to quote another fan, "They're going to put all the ships together and go "HEY, this is for our fans!" I mean yeah pretty much for all those dudes and/shippers who need somethin to get them through a couple more weeks. Eh. ~71.163.63.29 January 2007 (UTC)
I recently saw a commercial for avatar escape which mentioned an online comic. Are the comic's contents acceptable on wikipedia or should I delete any articles regarding it on sight?Sgt. Hydra04:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I would not object to content regarding the online comic, as it is something produced by Nick, and presumably official content for the show. Thus you'll have to make any decision based on the actual content, which could be either good or bad. Mister.Manticore15:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
While it's official content, it should be noted that it's probably not canonical. Just as the game and collectable cards contain information deemed separate from the events of the show. However, there should be some mention of it in the media information or somesuch. Y BCZ16:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Now, I won't say that the Avatar Escape(AE) video comics are canon, but I will say that there is a difference between its canonicity and that of the card game or video game. Essentially, the AE video comics are produced directly by Nick and are presented directly by Nick. They would be as canonical as the information on the main site, which is a conflicting issue already.
Notice how I mention only the video comics. That's because they provide backstory to the other Avatars and don't effect the continuity of the show. The game part of AE, even the Yue part, are dubious in their alignment with the show, however, as it directly involves Aang. But the Avatar backstories in the video comics seem to me like they are worthwhile pieces of information that wouldn't have just been tossed there without consultation with the creators.
It should go without saying, however, that if information from the video comics is to be presented in a character article page, direct reference to AE needs to be made so as to make it obvious that its canonicity might be in question. As we have done with every piece of info that has come from the official site.Sage of Ice04:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
All im saying is that some of considering this as a prequel to season 3 and i think its deserves a better spot then media information. Im actually thinking at least a mention in the main article (if its there already sorry)71.57.40.10707:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Here is the main problem, we don't know how these comics affect canon if they do at all. Some of the information contadicts the Avatar Magazine put out recently, mostly the spelling of Hei-Bai. Let's wait a bit, see if the information correlates with the show (like a mention or something that is the same verbatim, like if Aang wakes up in season 3 and says "Kyoshi formed the Dai Li"). Once we know what we're looking at, then we'll add more information. H2P(Yell at me for what I've done)14:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Music
The music in Avatar is probably some of the best on Nickelodeon since the older shows like Invader Zim. Would it be possible to get a section in the article about the music, and also mention [4] this petition?
Certainly, if you can find some documentation on the music, whether it be an article, something on the DVD, or whatever other reliable sources you can find. Mister.Manticore23:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge, the music can only be heard on the composers' myspace accounts: [5] and [6]. The team has said that Nick might release a soundtrack if they get enough emails, so if that happens, be prepared to put up the info. Y BCZ05:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know What the theme is when they do the previously on avatar thing. And you can find plenty of music for avatar on www.avatarspirit.net. great site by the way, just dosnt have the song i just mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.36.18.11 (talk) 17:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
Avatar: War of the Elements
I watch Avatar on YTV in Canada and during one of the reruns of season one on Wednesdays I could swear that the last Airbender had been replace with this subtitle. I was wondering if anyone else has seen this, has it changed in the us as well and what could this mean for the series. Could this be linked with the upcomming move as well. HVulpes
Oh, don't you start that again...Look, this is addressed on the FIRST TOPIC ON THIS PAGE. We've already reached a consensus. Y BCZ04:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry i did not RELIZE I JUST noticed that it was weerd so i sed this
Front Page
Take a look at this and tell me what you think on my reply page which should me on the top menu bar on my sandbox preview page.
even though it is in the article b4 this just they only did one part, but i just did the entire thing and also i got rid of the part about the disambugation but if you actually do this then leave the disambugation on of course. please do not remove it. also, if you leave a comment on here if it is not to hard then can you write it on my avatar reply page...thanx
No polls, and we don't admin to change it. It's not being changed anyway. Most of what you've changed has been discussed already so no. -Dylan051321:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
4 your info. i did not start it i only agreed. also i know it was already discussed but i was giving an idea of what it would look like when it is the entire page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zach111493 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
...Why would we change the whole page if we've agreed to not change individual parts of it? -Dylan0513
I am not saying to change the whole page i am saying that if we would change it and only IF we change it then this is the basic idea of what it would look like but it would reallly only be changing the picture From Zach111493my talkmy contributions22:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Why would you make a new page for it then? And there's a main picture discussion already. I'm moving this to the bottom. It's out of order. -Dylan051323:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Archive
Can we archive some stuff from this page it is getting too long and my computer cannot handle it. If we do we can just get rid of some stuff from really long ago and put it into a webpage called Talk:Avatar: The Last Airbender/archive69.248.178.147
Yeah, I don't know what happened. It doesn't really matter anymore, if season 3 is in the fall, we can get Zuko featured by then. -Dylan051301:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
2) What is our picture for the wikipedia main page: Aang, the logo, the one I just got of Aang with his back to the screen, or something else. I think our best choice is the one of Aang with is back to the screen for now. But I think we can do better.
Out of those three images, I'd go with the logo. The shot of Aang's back just...doesn't look good. At all. New people will look at that and go "What the heck?" The logo may not be as flashy, but it pertains better to the article. I keep thinking the ideal image would be a stylish, dramatic shot of Aang, but from the front. And not the one where he's got his goofy grin, either. For now, the logo looks like the best option to me. Y BCZ06:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Good point about identification. No one would know what the new pic was. I guess the logo is our best choice for now, but again, I don't think any of them are that great. -Dylan051313:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Definitely, the logo. We're not going to find a better image of Aang in time and his current one makes the article look too 'childish.' The back head shot looks ugly and personally I think the logo would be best suited for the article itself, as it a headliner for Avatar. And the fact that it is slightly catchy and flashy...or at least more than the other two. The logo is by far the way to go. GeneralIroh (Leave a message after the beep if you gotta problem.)01:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
3) Any more improvements on the summary? I think it is too detailed mentioning "originally slated to begin airing in November of 2004" and "six-inch (15.34 cm) scale." They should be taken out.
Personally, the only real 'detail' would be about the six-inch (15.34) information and additions could include a link to the lego sets and you add something like 'and his pets Appa and Momo' near the info about Aang and the gang. Those additions aren't needed; merely possible suggestions. But the 'six-inch (15.34)' info really should go. GeneralIroh (Leave a message after the beep if you gotta problem.)23:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, but I'm not sure how that would be phrased into the summary. I made edits to the summary (The ones stated by the bolded topic and I took out "6-11 year old"), BTW. -Dylan051300:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I was about to say the same thing. Come to think of it, Zuko's more important than his father, too; perhaps we could replace "an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai" with something like "while evading capture at the hands of the Fire Nation's Prince Zuko." The problem there, of course, is that a phrase like that only covers the first season. --Herald Alberich00:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. If we're going to go into the plot, we'll need like 2 or 3 sentences to do so. It's hard with Avatar's second season, there's no rehttp://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/button_headline.png
Perhaps "at the hands of the Fire Nation's Prince Zuko and Princess Azula"? Like Toph's mention, that doesn't differentiate between seasons, just establishes that they're both chasing the good guys. That also gives every main character except Iroh a mention. --Herald Alberich01:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, so like ""while evading capture at the hands of the Fire Nation's Prince Zuko, his mentor and Uncle Iroh, and Princess Azula."? But that doesn't portray the story very well... hmm.... -Dylan051301:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not saying Iroh needs mentioning, just that everyone else is mentioned, as a bonus for including Zuko and Azula in a season-inspecific way. --Herald Alberich01:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
(Unindent) He does. But if we're going to list stuffed animals by Paramount Parks, we need two or three lines about the plot. Some thing like:
"...the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Banished Prince of the Fire Nation, Zuko and his Uncle Iroh, try to capture Aang in Season 1, while Ozai's daughter, Azula tries to stop him in Season 2." -Dylan051301:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show has received high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing. The series' initial success prompted Nickelodeon to order a second season shortly afterwards, and a third season has been announced for 2007. Merchandise based on the series includes six DVD sets of the show's episodes, action figures, a video game, stuffed animals distributed by Paramount Parks, and two Lego sets.
I think its perfect. Maybe some of the prose could be improved, like combining some sentences. Otherwise, it is perfect. Sorry I have not been here in a while. I was trying to help the Aang article become GA. --Parent5446(Murder me for my actions)01:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
C'mon guys, we gotta get moving! Are we going with my line?:"...the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. Banished Prince of the Fire Nation, Zuko and his Uncle Iroh, try to capture Aang in Season 1, while Ozai's daughter, Azula tries to stop him in Season 2." -Dylan051301:02, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
For the first time and pretty much the title of the section though? And my fault with the princess thing, I meant to do the opposite. Ok so now we have:
"...the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. The banished prince of the Fire Nation, Zuko, and his uncle, Iroh, try to capture Aang in Season 1, while Ozai's daughter, Azula tries to stop him in Season 2." -Dylan051312:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Avatar: The Last Airbender is an Americananimated television series that currently airs on the Nickelodeon television network. Set in an Asian-influenced world of martial arts and elemental magic, the series follows the adventures of the successor to a long line of Avatars, Aang, and his friends Katara, Sokka, and Toph in their quest to save the world from the ruthless Fire Nation, an industrialized empire run by the murderous Fire Lord Ozai. The banished prince of the Fire Nation, Zuko, and his uncle, Iroh, try to capture Aang in Season 1, while Ozai's daughter, Azula tries to stop him in Season 2. Avatar: The Last Airbender debuted on TV on February 21, 2005. Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators and executive producers of the series. The show has received high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its intended demographic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is popular with both audiences and critics, garnering 4.4 million viewers on its best-rated showing. The series' initial success prompted Nickelodeon to order a second season shortly afterwards, and a third season has been announced for 2007. Merchandise based on the series includes DVD sets of the show's episodes, action figures, a video game, stuffed animals distributed by Paramount Parks, and Lego sets.
Unless anyone has any major objections in the next 24 hours, I think we should nominate it tomorrow. We're running out of time for our February 21 target. --Herald Alberich20:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I know. It's looking good and I can tell you that the people at Avatar will be notified when it'll be up on the main page. -Dylan051322:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd just like to say "Congrats" guys - well done! I've been watching this article improve over the last several months, and I'm pleased to see an article that's almost as good as the show itself. --Snicker|¥°€|20:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Assuming we can get that. If the problem here was short notice, we may well run into the same problem again, seeing as, at this point, all we really have is a vague timeframe.--Fyre2387(talk • contribs)21:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, and right now it looks like September. I really don't want to have to go through this more 6+ more months. -Dylan051323:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah right. I can't stay away from something that'll be this big for Avatar. Are we sure Raul saw the comment on his talk page? He hasn't responded yet. -Dylan051300:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
He's proboubly seen it. He doesn't awnser all questions on his talk page. He's mentioned before that he doesn't like having two simmilar articles(i.e. animated shows) as AOTD back to back. Someone asked if all six star wars movies could be in a row but Raul said he likes to mix things up. The Placebo Effect00:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
YES! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! The page is here [7] FYI. Yeah, great job everyone! I'll make sure the creators or at least people very high up get notified! -Dylan051321:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm starting to have my doubts about the Zuko article now. It might be easier to get the Aang or Katara article's featured. -Dylan051302:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I prefer Raul's summary anyway. It's more succinct and spoiler-free. Make sure to take screenshots of February 21st everyone, you'll want that moment to last forever. Sage of Ice05:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, this is going to be awesome. And what's amazing is how quickly we got it featured and then on the main page. It shows how well we really work together despite our differences. -Dylan051312:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to have a separate discussion going for this, as I know that there will be a lot of conflict and debate, so it's best to start on a clean slate.
We can't ignore the Avatar Escape video comics any more. I know that plenty of you wish to entirely dismiss it since it is associated with a Nick game, but those of you are going to need to open your minds a bit.
Currently available from the "Download Podcast" option after entering the code and skipping the "Watch Comic Book" option, the video comics for Avatars Roku, Kyoshi, and Kuruk are all up for viewing. If you haven't seen them yet, I suggest you go take a look.
Essentially, while you may feel that the information in Roku's video comic is overlookable and not worth mentioning, the comics for Kyoshi and Kuruk can't be shrugged off the same way.
spoilers ahead*
Kyoshi's is especially notable for the wealth of extra information it provided. It clarified the odd time discrepancy between Roku and Kyoshi being born ca. 100 and ca. 300 years before Aang, respectively. It gave historical insight on Earth Kingdom government and, most surprisingly, it explained the origins of the Dai Li. All the while giving the character of Kyoshi more depth.
Kuruk's gives us information on him, Avatar Kuruk, someone we knew absolutely nothing about. It gives us a glimpse of how the female Airbenders dressed and shaved (their heads). It gives more cultural insight into the Water Tribes. It tells us which Avatar tried to kill Koh, and it gives more insight into the character of Koh himself and his possible role as a Spirit.
end of spoilers*
All this stuff can't just be non-canon, especially considering how it came straight from Nick, just like the info on the official site does. We seem to have no issue taking stuff from the Nick site as canon, so these Avatar backstories should be no different.
There is just too much useful information in these comics for them to be shrugged off by the skeptical crowd.
Given how much they expand on the show, there is no way that these video comics were created without the consent and verification of the creators. As such, I think we should start including this information onto their respective pages. Of course, they need to be directly referenced to Avatar Escape, just like anything else that isn't divulged by the series directly but through other methods (like DVD extras and con panels). Sage of Ice08:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
As long as it doesn't contradict anything on the show (and so far it hasn't), I see no problem adding info from it to the respective pages. Seems as trustworthy as the official site. - Joshua36813:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I actually don’t see a problem with it. I’ve always kinda seen the show for various reasons as kinda a cartoon version of Lost and with this, eh its considerably obvious that the creators are making it up as they go along. Nonetheless, the information is intriguing and correlates well with what’s already been given, much like the Lost Scrolls. Though atypical, this was a pretty interesting method of expanding their universe and I’m glad they made sure that almost everything fit, something that most nicktoon shows wouldn’t hinge on.
The problem arose when all these people were so quick to add stuff prior to discussion or a reasonable amount of information. Does a person who we’ve only seen for about four seconds and know absolutely nothing about other than his/her name honestly constitute as notable? Why not just wait a little while longer for some actual discussion regarding the topic and more stuff to be handed our way. And here it is. All in all, now that we actually have something to go on, I fail to see why it shouldn’t be utilized. ~71.163.70.100 9 February 2007 (UTC)
American animated television show
This sentence always annoyed me. Avatar is made in Korea, influenced by Asia, and shown around the world but written by Americans. How do we justify this as an American animated show when it isn't animated in America? H2P16:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Easily, the show's production team is in America, the creative origins are in America, and the details of animation are just a production issue that hasn't mattered for any of the dozens of shows that are animated in overseas studios. Certainly the show is made in Korea, and that should be mentioned, and so should the influences, but it's the creative team that defines it. It's no different for Avatar than it is for Batman: The Animated Series or any of the dozens of Cartoon Network shows that are animated elsewhere. Mister.Manticore18:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll be a bit more technical.
Copyright. It's entirely owned by an American corporation: Nickelodeon. Where the ownership resides, is where we justify it's place of origin. You can have a burger made in Brazil from a McDonald's in Brazil with ingredients taken only from Brazil, and you may even eat that burger in Brazil, but the McDonald's is still American. It may be made in Brazil, but it's not Brazilian, since that isn't where the ownership resides. Same thing for Nike and sweatshops.
Your problem might be the wording itself when we say "American animated". Don't confuse that with "American-animated", which means it was animated in America. It's an "American-owned animated television show", we just drop the "owned" as per convention. Hope this helped. Sage of Ice18:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Suki dead?
Two edits by an anonymous user might need editing - I'll leave it to someone a little more glued to it. Suki hasn't officially been determined to be dead, has she? In true Avatar fashion, we will most likely find that she and the other warriors were captured, but I don't think we saw any actual death occur.
Also, didn't the note about Toph's metal-bending get removed as too much of a spoiler? --Snicker|¥°€|14:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the fates of both Suki and Jet are still up in the air. Any information of them dying on these pages is just speculation and should be removed. - Joshua36815:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I did so. Spoilers aside, Toph has so far demonstrated metalbending in one episode, and the character summaries are supposed to provide general info, not specific events. --Herald Alberich16:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Suki is missing (presumed dead) and Jet is likely dead - or at least severely, severely injured, since Toph said he was "lying" about being fine. RunedChozo19:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Bending Metal
King Bumi was "unable" to bend metals - being stuffed into a metal box, he could only bend the earth outside because his head was exposed.
There are repeated mentions in Fire Nation dialogue about how their machines, especially the heavier ones, are "safe" from Earthbenders because the Earthbenders cannot "bend" metal.
The two Earthbenders who capture Toph certainly think that Earthbenders are incapable of Bending metal, because they cannot and they put her in a metal box.
The fact that Toph demonstrated this ability - figuring out how under great duress - and the fact that she is the ONLY bender, onscreen or in mention, to show this ability - is enough for it to be mentioned in her profile. Stop reverting this, it is not "speculation."RunedChozo20:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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