Wikipedia talk:Citing sources

Contents of a product, or ingredients

How do I cite the contents of a product? Essentially I am trying to add to the "Uses" section on a chemical page.

so far other editors have refused the manufacture's website, pictures of the ingredients list, non scholarly articles. (scholarly articles do not cover the subject that I can find)

So I'm asking you all. How do I properly cite the listed ingredients on a product? TheAuthoritativeSource (talk) 22:57, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Apparently the APA has a format for Product Labels... would that apply even though there would be no link? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAuthoritativeSource (talk • contribs) 23:18, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Works of art in the "Aesthetics of Resistance"

Hi, how do you cite using sfn with an author with two different chapters in the same book. On the Works of art in the "Aesthetics of Resistance" article on reference 1 and 6, the "&" looks odd. It is right? scope_creep^Talk 19:46, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Like this:

{{sfn|Badenberg|1995a|p=115}}

Badenberg 1995a, p. 115 – {{harvnb}} used here for demo purposes

{{sfn|Badenberg|1995b|p=210}}

Badenberg 1995b, p. 210

{{cite book |last1=Badenberg |first1=Nana |editor1-last=Honold |editor1-first=Alexander |editor2-last=Schreiber |editor2-first=Ulrich |editor3-last=Badenberg |editor3-first=Nana |title=Die Bilderwelt des Peter Weiss |date=1995a |publisher=Argument-Verlag |location=Hamburg |isbn=9783886192274 |pages=114–163 |edition=1st |language=de |chapter=Die Ästhetik und ihre Kunstwerke. Eine Inventur}}

Badenberg, Nana (1995a). "Die Ästhetik und ihre Kunstwerke. Eine Inventur". In Honold, Alexander; Schreiber, Ulrich; Badenberg, Nana (eds.). Die Bilderwelt des Peter Weiss (in German) (1st ed.). Hamburg: Argument-Verlag. pp. 114–163. ISBN 9783886192274.

{{cite book |last1=Badenberg |first1=Nana |editor1-last=Honold |editor1-first=Alexander |editor2-last=Schreiber |editor2-first=Ulrich |title=Die Bilderwelt des Peter Weiss |date=1995b |publisher=Argument-Verlag |location=Hamburg |isbn=9783886192274 |edition=1st |language=de|chapter=Kommentiertes Verzeichnis der in der Ästhetik des Wider-stands erwähnten bildenden Künstler und Kunstwerke|pages=163–231}}

Badenberg, Nana (1995b). "Kommentiertes Verzeichnis der in der Ästhetik des Wider-stands erwähnten bildenden Künstler und Kunstwerke". In Honold, Alexander; Schreiber, Ulrich (eds.). Die Bilderwelt des Peter Weiss (in German) (1st ed.). Hamburg: Argument-Verlag. pp. 163–231. ISBN 9783886192274.

This is explained in the {{sfn}} documentation at Template:Sfn § More than one work in a year.

Another alternative is to use {{harvc}}:

{{sfn|Badenberg|1995c|p=115}}

Badenberg 1995c, p. 115 – again, {{harvnb}} used here for demo purposes

{{sfn|Badenberg|1995d|p=210}}

Badenberg 1995d, p. 210

{{cite book |last1=Badenberg |first1=Nana |editor1-last=Honold |editor1-first=Alexander |editor2-last=Schreiber |editor2-first=Ulrich |editor3-last=Badenberg |editor3-first=Nana |title=Die Bilderwelt des Peter Weiss |date=1995a |publisher=Argument-Verlag |location=Hamburg |isbn=9783886192274 |pages=114-163 |edition=1st |language=de |chapter=Die Ästhetik und ihre Kunstwerke. Eine Inventur}}

Honold, Alexander; Schreiber, Ulrich; Badenberg, Nana, eds. (1995). Die Bilderwelt des Peter Weiss (in German) (1st ed.). Hamburg: Argument-Verlag. ISBN 9783886192274.

{{harvc |last1=Badenberg |first1=Nana |chapter=Die Ästhetik und ihre Kunstwerke. Eine Inventur |in=Honold |in2=Schreiber |in3=Badenberg |pages=114–163 |year=1995 |anchor-year=1995c}}

Badenberg, Nana (1995c). "Die Ästhetik und ihre Kunstwerke. Eine Inventur". In Honold, Schreiber & Badenberg (1995), pp. 114–163.

{{harvc |last1=Badenberg |first1=Nana |chapter=Kommentiertes Verzeichnis der in der Ästhetik des Wider-stands erwähnten bildenden Künstler und Kunstwerke |in=Honold |in2=Schreiber |in3=Badenberg |pages=163–231|year=1995 |anchor-year=1995d}}

Badenberg, Nana (1995d). "Kommentiertes Verzeichnis der in der Ästhetik des Wider-stands erwähnten bildenden Künstler und Kunstwerke". In Honold, Schreiber & Badenberg (1995), pp. 163–231.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:48, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

How do you reference theatre performances?

Hello, I have read through this article, but I am unsure on how to reference theatre performances/theatre plays. Does anybody know how to do that? Please get back to me as soon as you can. Thanks. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 23:14, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

If the performance was recorded, follow the section on recordings; if you're citing the written play, follow the format for books. You shouldn't cite unpublished performances. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:26, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

What about the “Author, play name, Act, Scene” format? Or is that now “old fashioned”? Blueboar (talk) 02:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

That's fine for published plays, sure. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:30, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Template:Cite Q and WP:CITEVAR

Headbomb and I recently noticed that Int21h has been converting selected citation templates in articles to {{Cite Q}} (for example: diff). The current user talk comments about this concur that these conversions are against WP:CITEVAR and produce source code that is very difficult for content editors to evaluate. I would like to know if there are other opinions about this and whether {{Cite Q}} conversions should be explicitly mentioned in the WP:CITEVAR content guideline? Thanks, Biogeographist (talk) 17:28, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Cite Q is not a citation style.

I have not changed any citation styles. Cite journal is called with the same parameters as before. int21h (talk · contribs · email) 00:32, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Int21h: Look at the heading: WP:CITEVAR refers to "variation in citation methods" not only "variation in citation style". It includes "changing where the references are defined", according to the current text of WP:CITEVAR. Now look at the diff of your edit: You say that change is not a variation in citation method? I say you're wrong! It's a huge change in citation method: it makes the content of the citation invisible in editing mode. On your talk page you said that Cite Q evaluates on Visual Editor for newer editors, but not all of us are using Visual Editor, and the change of citation method is very apparent and very debilitating for editors who don't use Visual Editor. Biogeographist (talk) 02:23, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

"Cite journal is called with the same parameters as before" It is not. It mass imports everything from Wikidata, including the stuff that's deliberately left out. It's also a change in how citations are handled. Converting clear and easily editing inputs into impossibly obscure ones. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:27, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

As noted above, this is absolute a change that is against WP:CITEVAR. There is no consensus for changing citations to "Cite Q". Peter coxhead (talk) 07:40, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I tend to think that migrating citation metadata to Wikidata is a good idea; that sort of thing is what Wikidata is good at. Despite that, though, I completely agree with others here that it should not be done en masse, and not to individual articles against consensus, per WP:CITEVAR. Among other things, Cite Q has a viral effect, in that once a citation is formatted using Cite Q, it becomes much more difficult to copy it to other articles without using Cite Q again. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:59, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I almost forgot, but there's another reason not to use Cite Q (as currently implemented) and not to replace citations with it: because its default behavior cannot properly split authors into separate last and first names, as many styles use and as required when linking to citations with harv templates. You could spell out the authors yourself but then what's the point of even using the template. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

• This should be nuked from space. We have discussed citations to Wikidata before… and firmly rejected them every time. Repeatedly. Blueboar (talk) 12:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

  The template was discussed in 2017 for deletion with an outcome of "no consensus"; the closer gave some options for renomination should certain issues not be addressed. Primefac (talk) 13:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Please Someone Do a BOT To Eliminate the Spaces in Citations

Administrators should do a routine automatic to clean the blank spaces. Those spaces serves nothing, but increase a lot of servers disk spaces clusters and costs to store the edit data.

As it is : Rawls, John (1971). A Theory of Justice. Harvard University Press. p. 18.

As must be : Rawls, John (1971). A Theory of Justice. Harvard University Press. p. 18.

--188.96.90.63 (talk) 17:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC)